QUESTIONS  #15

Did It Rain before the Flood?

Genesis 2:5-6 suggests that it did not rain before the flood: Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the Lord God had not sent rain upon the earth; and there was no man to cultivate the ground. But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground. 

But notice, these verses only say that shortly after the earth was created, it had not rained. How long did this condition last? Some believe that this mist began the evaporation-rain cycle. If so, the period of no rain was brief, and it rained before the flood. Let's look for other clues.

THE  HERBS,  GRASSES,  FRUIT  TREES,  WERE  CREATED  THE  THIRD  DAY  -  GEN. 1:11-13.  MAN  WAS  NOT  CREATED  UNTIL  THE  6TH  DAY.  THE  HERBS,  TREES,  ETC.  WERE  CREATED  FULLY  DEVELOPED [AS  WAS  MAN].  THAT  IS  WHAT  GEN. 2:5-6  IS  TELLING  US.  BEFORE  THEY  GREW  FROM  SEEDS.  THE  MIST  WAS  FROM  THE  THIRD  DAY  TO  GIVE  MOISTURE  TO  THE  NOW  CREATED  VEGETATION  -  Keith Hunt

Rainbows. God promised never again to flood the entire earth (Genesis 9:12-17), a promise marked by a "bow in the cloud"—a rainbow. Rainbows form when raindrops refract sunlight. This suggests that rainbows began after the flood, which would mean there was no preflood rain.

JUST  NOT  SO  AT  ALL.  THE  RAINBOW  WAS  AN  ADDED  PHENOMENON  CREATED  FOR  A  SPECIFIC  SIGN.  THINK  NOW:  DO  YOU  SEE  A  RAINBOW  AFTER  EACH  SHOWER  OF  RAIN;  AFTER  EACH  THUNDERSTORM;  AFTER  EACH  STEADY  RAIN  THAT  MAY  HAVE  LASTED  ALL  DAY?  NO  NOT  AT  ALL.  MANY  RAINY  DAYS  OR  TIMES  NEVER  HAVE  A  RAINBOW  FOLLOWING  THEM  -  Keith Hunt

Others disagree, saying rainbows may have been visible before the flood, but afterward God simply associated His promise with rainbows. This would be similar to the symbolism of a wedding ring. Rings existed before a wedding, but afterward the ring recalls a solemn vow. However, if rainbows suddenly began after the flood, the rainbows symbolic effect would have been more unforgettable and reassuring to the frightened survivors of the flood.

RAINBOWS  FROM  THE  CONTEXT,  WERE  CREATED  AFTER  THE  FLOOD.  BUT  AGAIN  NOT  EVERY  SHOWER  OF  RAIN,  DAY  OF  RAIN,  IS  FOLLOWED  BY  A  RAINBOW  -  Keith Hunt

Some argue that rainbows would have formed before the flood every time water splashed and sunlight passed through the droplets. This argument overlooks that God's promise concerned rainbows "in the cloud',' not a relatively few drops of water several feet above the ground.

SHOWING  A  NEW  MIRACLE  GOD  STARTED,  REGARDLESS  OF  HOW  MANY  RAINDROPS  FALL.  AND  RAINBOWS  ARE  NOT  SEEN  EVERY  TIME  IT  RAINS;  A  REASON  WE  APPRECIATE  SEEING  A  RAINBOW;  IT  IS  NOT  SEEN  BUT  NOW  AND  AGAIN.  YET  ENOUGH  TIMES  IN  OUR  LIFETIME  TO  REMEMBER  GOD'S  PROMISE  OF  NO  HUGE  MASSIVE  FLOOD  AGAIN  TO  COME  ON  THE  EARTH,  AS  IN  THE  DAYS  OF  NOAH  -  Keith Hunt

A Terrarium. 

The Hebrew word translated "mist," ed, in Genesis 2:6 is used in only one other place in the Bible—Job 36:27. There it clearly means water vapor. So, did the preflood earth act as a humid terrarium in which water vapor evaporated, condensed without rainfall, and watered the earth? Could an earth-size terrarium produce enough water to supply major rivers, such as described in Genesis 2:10-14? Two preflood rivers, the Tigris and Euphrates, were evidently the basis for naming the mighty postflood rivers that today bear the same names. 

NO  A  MIST  COULD  NOT,  WELL  DID  NOT,  FORM  RIVERS.  IT  IS  JUST  AN  ASSUMPTION  BY  SOME  THERE  WAS  NO  RAIN  UNTIL  THE  DAYS  OF  NOAH  -  A  WRONG  ASSUMPTION  -  Keith Hunt

The preflood earth was quite different from today's earth. If the hydroplate theory is reasonably correct, earth's preflood topography was smoother, so rivers flowed more slowly and required less water to keep them filled. No volcanoes, major mountains, glaciers, or polar ice existed before the flood. 

A  LOT  OF  ASSUMPTIONS  HERE  BY  BROWN.  THE  ORIGINAL  CLIMATE  OF  THE  EARTH  MAY,  PROBABLY  WAS  INDEED,  DIFFERENT  THAN  TODAY.  WE  HAVE  DEGENERATED  SINCE  THEN.  IN  THE  BEGINNING  EVERYTHING  WAS  PERFECT,  INCLUDING  CLIMATE.  NO  CRAZY  WILD  WEATHER  ANYWHERE  ON  EARTH  IN  THE  BEGINNING.  IT  IS  ALSO  AN  ASSUMPTION  THERE  WAS  NO  VOLCANOES,  MAJOR  MOUNTAINS.  VOLCANOES  ARE  A  NATURAL  BLEEDING  OF  THE  INNNER  MOLTEN  EARTH  MASS.  MAJOR  MOUNTAINS  IS  AN  ASSUMPTION  BECAUSE  PEOPLE  LIKE  BROWN,  IN  TEACHING  A  GLABAL  FLOOD  IN  NOAH'S  DAY  DON'T  WANT  TO  THINK  OF  THE  CANADIAN  ROCKIES  OR  EVEREST  HAVING  TO  BE  COVERED  OVER  WITH  WATER.  GLACIERS…. WHO  KNOWS,  THEY  SERVE  A PURPOSE.  POLAR  ICE….WHO  KNOWS,  MAYBE  SOME,  MAYBE  NOT  -  Keith Hunt

Approximately half the earth's water was under the earth's crust, so the earths surface had about half the water it has today. With 360-day years, days were slightly longer, so temperatures were slightly higher during the day and colder at night. The preflood earth had greater land area, because the flood produced today's ocean basins. 

NOPE  NOAH'S  FLOOD  DID  NOT  CREATE  TODAY'S  OCEAN  BASINS,  BECAUSE  IT  WAS  NOT  GLOBAL  -  Keith Hunt

Preflood forests were vast and lush, enough to form today's coal, oil, and methane deposits. This left little room for deserts. Could these preflood conditions have prevented rain, yet adequately watered a thirsty earth?

THE  COAL  AND  OIL  AND  METHANE  DEPOSITS,  WERE  CREATED  IN  THE  WILD  MIGHTY  FLOODING  OF  THE  EARTH  IN  GENESIS 1:2;  WHEN  THE  WAR  IN  THE  HEAVENS  BETWEEN  SATAN  AND  HIS  DEMONS  AGAINST  GOD  AND  HIS  ANGELS,  WAS  HAPPENING.  THIS  EARTH  WITH  ITS  LUSH  FORESTS  DURING  THE  DINOSAUR  AGE,  WAS  VIOLENTLY  DESTROYED.  THE  STRATA  AROUND  THE  EARTH  WAS  FORMED,  THE  PRESSURE  CREATED  COAL,  OIL,  METHANE,  NATURAL  GAS,  BEDS  -  Keith Hunt

Condensation Nuclei. 

Water droplets almost always begin with water vapor condensing on a solid surface. A common example is early-morning dew that collects on grass. Raindrops, snowflakes, and fog particles begin growing on microscopic particles carried in the air. These particles, called condensation nuclei, are typically 0.001-0.0001 millimeters in diameter—less than one hundredth the diameter of a human hair. Each cubic inch of air we breathe contains at least 1,000 such particles. Water vapor molecules rarely collide and stick together; instead, a water droplet forms when trillions of water molecules collect on a microscopic particle.

SO  WHAT….. MAYBE  SCIENCE  AS  WE  KNOW  IT  TODAY;  BUT  IT  HAS  NOTHING  TO  DO  WITH  PROVING  RAIN  DID  NOT  HAPPEN  UNTIL  THE  DAYS  OF  NOAH  -  Keith Hunt

Wind. 

Most wind is produced by atmospheric temperature differences; wind then mixes air that has different temperatures and moisture contents. The various "mixtures" give us weather: rain, snow, hail, hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, fair weather, etc. Without today's major mountains, ice sheets, volcanoes, and vast oceans,2 the preflood earth had more uniform temperatures. Also, abundant vegetation moderated temperatures by evaporative cooling during the day and condensation and heating at night. More uniform temperatures meant less wind3 and weather extremes.

OKAY  AGREE….. THE  CLIMATE  IN  THE  BEGINNING  WAS  PERFECT,  NO  EXTREMES,  NO  WILD  WEATHER;  BUT  AGAIN  THAT  HAS  NOTHING  TO  DO  WITH  NO  RAIN  UNTIL  NOAH.  A  MIST  WAS  USED  FROM  DAY  THREE  TO  DAY  SIX,  WHEN  MAN  WAS  CREATED,  AND  SO  COULD  CULTIVATE;  ALSO  IT  TOOK  SOME  TIME [A  SEASON]  FOR  SEEDS  TO  BE  PLANTED  AND  GROW,  AS  THE  VEGETATION  LIKE  MAN,  WAS  CREATED  MATURE  AND  FULLY  DEVELOPED.  THERE  IS  NO  PROOF  FROM  SCRIPTURE  THAT  IT  DID  NOT  RAIN  UNTIL  THE  DAYS  OF  NOAH  -  Keith Hunt 

If a water molecule were the size of a ping-pong ball, a condensation nucleus would be a house-size "rock" and a raindrop would be 100 miles in diameter. When a gaseous water molecule strikes that "rock," much of the molecule's energy is transferred to the "rock" as heat. If a somewhat "absorbent rock" is cold enough and the humidity is high enough, the molecule will stick; condensation will begin, and a raindrop will start to grow. The "rock," slightly warmer because of the added energy from colliding water molecules, will warm the surrounding air, causing slight updrafts. Moist breezes plus updrafts would bring enough moisture to "the rock" for it to grow into a water droplet.

WELL  USING  SCIENCE  AS  WE  KNOW  IT  TODAY;  BUT  MANY  THINGS  WERE  DIFFERENT  IN  THE  BEGINNING,  WHEN  EVERYTHING  WAS  PERFECT,  AND  GOD  SAW  IT  WAS  "GOOD."  -  Keith Hunt

That "rock" and its attached water cannot "float" in calm air for long, just as a grain of sand cannot float in still water. Only wind can suspend condensation nuclei, just as only a swift stream can suspend a sand particle. With less preflood wind, condensation nuclei would receive less lift and  stay closer to  the  ground. With more uniform temperatures globally, less air would rise over warmer areas—again, keeping nuclei and moisture closer to the ground. High clouds may not have existed.

ALL  SUPPOSITION  BASED  ON  TODAY'S  SCIENCE;  GOD  COULD  HAVE  DONE  IT  ALL  DIFFERENTLY  IN  THE  BEGINNING.  WE  WERE  NOT  THERE,  SO  WE  SIMPLY  DO  NOT  KNOW.  BUT  NONE  OF  IT  PROVES  THERE  WAS  NO  RAIN  UNTIL  THE  DAYS  OF  NOAH  -  Keith Hunt

Once water began collecting on nuclei near the ground, the heat of condensation warmed adjacent air, causing it to rise. A microscopic droplet has a large cross-sectional area relative to its volume, so rising, moist air carried the tiny droplet upward. As it rapidly grew, its weight increased faster than its cross-sectional area, so it quickly settled to the earth and often collected other droplets in its path. We could describe this as fog rising from the earth and then settling back to water the ground before rain could form. (This sounds like Genesis 2:5-6, doesn't it?)

IT  SOUNDS  MAYBE  LIKE  IT  WITH  TODAY'S  SCIENCE,  BUT  FOR  ONLY  FROM  DAY  3  TO  DAY  6  OR  SHORTLY  AFTER  DAYS  6,  WHEN  MAN  COULD  CULTIVATE  THE  GROUND,  AND  SEEDS  WOULD  COME  FROM  THE  VEGETATION  AT  THE  END  OF  THAT  FIRST  SEASON.  IT  IS  PURELY  AN  ASSUMPTION  THAT  IT  DID  NOT  RAIN  UNTIL  THE  TIME  OF  NOAH  -  Keith Hunt

It would be similar to morning fog rising on a still lake, but with two differences. First, without polar ice and snowcapped mountains before the flood, less solar radiation reflected back into space, so more of the Sun's rays heated the earth during the day. With more forests, few (if any) clouds, and slightly longer days, the earth absorbed even more solar energy. Consequently, more water evaporated each day. At night, fewer clouds and longer nights allowed more heat to escape into space, causing more water to condense. (Today, clouds reflect back into space 20-25% of the incoming radiation and hold in much of the earth's outgoing radiation.) Therefore, the preflood earth was watered more abundantly and uniformly by daily condensation than by rain today. Furthermore, watering occurred at daily intervals. Unlike today, there were no long dry spells or wet spells, droughts or local floods.

ONCE  MORE  ALL  SPECULATION  ON  BROWN'S  PART.  THERE  JUST  IS  NO  VERSE  IN  SCRIPTURE  TO  SAY  IT  DID  NOT  RAIN  UNTIL  THE  TIME  OF  NOAH  -  Keith Hunt

Heavy condensation before each sunrise kept moisture closer to the ground and restricted high-cloud formation. Today, morning fog evaporates soon after sunrise, before the moisture can settle to the ground. With fewer, if any, high clouds before the flood, temperatures dropped more rapidly at night. This, coupled with more moisture in the daytime air, allowed water droplets to grow larger, settle to the ground faster, and soak into the soil before morning evaporation could begin.

ONCE  MORE  ALL  SPECULATION;  JUST  GUESS  WORK;  THEORY  WORK;  NO  BIBLE  VERSES  TO  BACK  IT  UP  -  Keith Hunt

The second difference caused preflood fog droplets to grow even faster and larger. Without today's main sources of condensation nuclei (volcanic debris, sulfur compounds from volcanoes, man-made pollutants, lightning-produced fires, sea salt from ocean spray, or dust kicked up by high winds) there were fewer condensation nuclei. Condensing more moisture on fewer nuclei meant fog droplets grew larger and settled faster.

AGAIN  BASED  ON  SCIENCE  OF  TODAY.  BUT  NO  BIBLE  VERSES  TO  BACK  UP  SUCH  IDEAS  -  Keith Hunt

First Rain. 

If it did not rain before the flood, how did the first rain form at the very beginning of the flood? As explained on pages 105-141, the drops of water falling at the beginning of the flood were not formed by condensing water. Instead, they formed by fragmenting the upward-jetting subterranean water into a spray.

NOTICE  THE  WORD  "IF"  -  BROWN  KNOWS  THERE  IS  NO  WAY  TO  PROVE  HIS  POINT  FROM  ANY  SCRIPTURE  VERSE/S  -  ALL  SPECULATION;  BUT  IT  GOES  WITH  BROWN  AND  OTHERS  LIKE  HIM,  IN  TEACHING  THE  FLOOD  OF  NAOH'S  DAY  WAS  GLOBAL  -  Keith Hunt

Any credible explanation of the flood should explain why rain probably did not fall before the flood, how the fertile earth was watered, what supplied the rivers, how violent rain4 fell so rapidly at the beginning of the flood, and why the rain ended after 40 days, even though the flood waters rose until the 150th day when all the preflood mountains were covered. Also, if the flood's 40 days of rain formed by condensation, why didn't that rain stop after a few days, because falling rain would have removed the condensation nuclei? The hydroplate theory answers these questions.

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BUT  IF  NOAH'S  FLOOD  WAS  NOT  GLOBAL,  NO  "HYDROPLATE"  ANYTHING  WAS  NEEDED,  BUT  SIMPLY  WHAT  THE  BIBLE  SAYS;  WATER  FROM  BELOW,  WATER  FROM  ABOVE.  ENOUGH  TO  COVER  A  LAND  SURFACE  WHERE  THE  CENTRAL  POPULATION  OF  THE  WORLD  EXISTED;  AND  THAT  SOCIETY  BECOMING  SO  EVIL  AND  WICKED,  IT  NEEDED  TO  BE  DESTROYED.

AGAIN  THE  READER  IS  ASKED  TO  HAVE  THE  COURAGE  TO  STUDY  SLOWLY [WITH  MEDITATION]  THE  IN-DEPTH  STUDIES  CALLED  "NOAH'S  FLOOD  WAS  NOT  UNIVERSAL"  -  I  HAVE  BROUGHT  IT  FROM  THE  "MISCELLANEOUS"  SECTION  ONTO  THIS  "HISTORY"  SECTION  OF  THE  WEBSITE  -  Keith Hunt