Ecumenism, the 'anything-goes' religious dilution

Below is a Reader's E-mail answered:

WBSG's Reply:

     Hi [name withheld], you said:

 

"I've never been quite sure how people can say anything bad about any religion."

     Oh?  Satanism is a ‘religion,' Islam is a ‘religion,' Judaism is a ‘religion,' but all deny Christ Jesus as the risen Savior from God, God in the flesh.  Christianity is the true worship of God, it is the only true 'religion' sanctioned by God.  It was what the Old Testament pointed to, it is the promise fulfilled; Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament, He became it.  All other religions are vain and satanic plants.  Like it or lump it, friend.

 

     You said:

 

"Organized religion is what it is and you can find fault in all of them, But to say one is better than the other is truly the devil at work. ... instead of spending so much of the time it took to try to downgrade other religions, your time could have been spent saving lives of those who do not believe."

     Believe in what???  You believe in everything, even though they disagree even against themselves, therefore you believe in nothing.

 

     You said:

 

"first I would like to tell you what denomination I am. I am first Roman Catholic, because that's how I was raised. Second I am Christian, but the truth is there is no separation there. So I cannot be one or the other."

     That explains much.  Catholics worship the Host of Heaven and the Queen of Heaven (the worship of bot was  expressly forbidden by God in the Bible).  To the average Catholic, Jesus is a "also-ran."

 

     You said:

"Let us show you how that is. Luke 6.37-38." Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you". This was spoken by Christ. TRUE?"

     Yes.  Does that mean that Christ said to turn a blind eye to false teachers and allow then to deceive people like you?  Look at how you turned out, you open the doors to those whom God has not opened the doors.

 

     And I don't judge their souls, I don't claim that they are going to eternal perish-ment, any more than Scripture tells us; that is God's job. 

 

     I don't judge, I discern; I don't condemn, I expose; I don't deny forgiveness to those who seek it, but none ask me for it.  And should they?

 

     You are the lukewarm product of craftily watered down verses.  You are saltless except against Christians like myself.  You are this way because you have been beguiled by the new spirituality that is sweeping the earth (the spirit of antichrist).  Anyone like myself who stands hard on the Scriptures is detestable to people like you.  The Spirit in me is revolting the spirit in you.

 

     You said:

"Lets take it a step further shall we. ROMANS 2. 1 "You therefor have no excuse,you who pass judgement on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condeming yourself, because you who pass judgement do the same things".  Now do you see?  See?"

     See what?  Do you see?  Your botched Scripture reference says: "because you who pass judgement do the same things".  That is the reason, the people that are being addressed in the Scripture were hypocrites, they were condemning someone for doing the same thing that they did.  You entirely miss the point of the Scripture.  And get a King James Bible version, pronto!  (See why here: Adulterations in the Newer Bible Versions (NIV, NASB...); Proof that the King James Bible (KJV) is the True Word of God )

 

     You said:

"Romans 2. 11." For GOD does not show FAVORTISIM". I challenge you to post this on your web site. There would only be one reason you wouldn't. I could even tell you the reason, but you already know the answer."

     Well, you certainly pulled that Scripture out of context to use as an attack on me and as ‘proof' that unbelievers and false-god worshippers will go to Heaven.  The Scripture really is all about the law, and that in the end all are judged according to God's law. 

 

Rom 2:11-16
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.  (KJV)

And in case you missed it elsewhere in the Bible:

 

John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.  (KJV)

     How do you reason that Muslims and Jews can come to the Father without Jesus Christ?  You teach a false Gospel my friend.  Be careful.

I Jn 2:22-26
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.  (KJV)

     The sad thing that you do not see is that you are the doing the seducing that is mentioned in verse 26 above.  For you teach that it is OK to deny Jesus Christ, and that those who do so will still be saved.  You lead souls to hell with your ecumenical false teachings.

 

     You said:

"The one thing I understood immediately after reading your posts, is that you are filled with anger and hatred. That my young friend is a very dangerous road to travel."

     Anger yes, hatred no.  And you too would be angry if you knew what satan was doing to God's children.  You don't know this because you are one of the victims (and swiftly becoming one of the offenders).

 

     You said:

"That you presume to know I've lead my wife astray. Astray from What?

     The truth.  And I know that you led her astray because signed her name for her on your post though she had no word in it.  You are obviously the spiritual head of the family, and as such have led her into the same deception that has closed your own eyes.

 

     You said:

" Astray from false prophets? Yes! astray from satan? Yes! We are ALL safe here. Thank you just the same."

    Yeah, you're real safe (sic).  read below just how 'safe' you are:

 

1Thes 5:3
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.  (KJV)

 

     You said:

"Heres something else you maybe should reflect upon. PROVERBS 29.1 "Whoever stubbornly refuses to accept criticisim will suddenly be broken beyon repair." Proverbs 10 14&17. 17 "People who accept correction are on the pathway to life,but those who ignore it will lead others astray." 14 "The wise people treasure knowledge, but the babbling of a fool invites trouble.""

     You speak of yourself but you do not know it.

 

     You said:

"BIBLE STUDY is a wonderful thing, it lifts all who enter it with open hearts and open minds. Unfortunately I'm afraid yours may be closed."

     You offer no instruction, no sound doctrine, you even quote a corrupt new age Bible version. (See:  Adulterations in the Newer Bible Versions (NIV, NASB...); Proof that the King James Bible (KJV) is the True Word of God  ).  What Bible Study, pray tell, ever taught you that people can enter into the eternity yet deny Jesus Christ as the risen Savior????

 

     You said:

"Show this to your group if you are not afraid. Let me know what the general concensus was."

 

     Are so unsure of your position that you need affirmation from strangers?  And then, would you believe me, anyway?

 

     You said:

"Prayer is the most powerful tool against our foes."

     True.

 

     You said:

"So lets all PRAY for Wisdom, Knowledge and understanding."

     I do daily, do you?  But what good does it do you if you reject wisdom as you obviously do?

 

Prov 1:7
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.  (KJV)

     You said:

"Matthew16.vs23 Jesus said to Peter" Get away from me, SATAN! You are a dangerous trap to me. You are merely seeing things from a HUMAN point of view, and not from GODS." We all must seek understanding. I hope to hear from you again, soon. there is alot to learn in this short time given to us."

     Yes indeed, and you had better get 'on the ball' with some sound Bible study quick.  You can always study here with us, even though you feel as though I am judging you.  I am trying to help you.  If I didn't care I would not open myself up to these attacks from the Internet.

 

     You do not understand what it is about my writing that makes you upset.  Here, allow me to show you what offends you about me:

Luke 14:34-35
34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.  (KJV)

     Satan has entered your heart and taught you that 'anything goes.'  So when you see one such as myself stand on the Scriptures without compromise, you feel that I am being elitist or unfair. 

 

Here is where you fit in:

 

Rev 3:15-17
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: (KJV)

     Naked and poor and blind indeed, but you really think that you are doing it right!

 

     So sad.

 

     Father, thy will be done in mercy, I pray.

 

God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ' name!
Nick Goggin (Editor)

The fundamental flaw in the "Sacred-Names Movement"

 

Our Reply to Darron regarding the "Sacred-Names Movement":

    

     There is a problem with your "Sacred Namer's" stuff.  You quote out of the wrong language.

 

     Example, you quote Romans 1:25 and insert the Hebrew word 'Elohiym.

 

     Darron, Romans is an English translation of a Greek text, not an English translation of a Hebrew text!  The word "God" in Romans 1:25 is in the Greek original 'tou Theos (The God)

 

Rom 1:25

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  KJV

 

God:  Greek word #2316  theos (theh'-os); of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with NT:3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very: KJV -  exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].

     It also has the article (Greek word #3588).  This is speaking of Yehovah, not 'Elohiym (if you want to use the Hebrew names).  I trust that you know the difference.  This is prophecy fulfilled from way back in Jeremiah, where we see that it is Yehovah not 'Elohiym:

     The English word "LORD" in the above is Yehovah (YHVH) in the Hebrew, not 'elohiym.  

 

     As you know, 'elohiym is a plural Hebrew word, and feminine in gender (not as to God's gender!  But as to the gender of the word).

 

     So you are in error on at least two counts.

1). You insert 'Elohiym where Yehovah is indicated by context, and,

2). you insert Hebrew words into an originally Greek translated text.

     It is not 'convenient' to have English-only speakers use Hebrew and Greek words that they do not understand when they speak of Deity.  In fact, that is a doorway that satan can use to deceive the Christian, not the use of English words by English speakers: Lord, God, Savior, Messiah, Jesus, Christ, ...

 

     You are confusing the heck out of everyone!  Satan is the author of confusion, not God.  You are just trying to show off your Hebrew skills thinking that that makes you somehow more in-touch with the meaning of the Scriptures.  God had them translated into the tongue of the world, that tongue is English.  English is understood on every continent in the world, all major counties teach English to their University students and Scholars.  English is to the twenty-first century what Greek was to the first century.

 

     And incidentally, our modern English language (and the Greek) comes do to us from the Hebrew original; that is why the King James Bible does such a good job of relaying the spirit of the Greek and Hebrew originals.

 

God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ' name!
Nick Goggin (Editor)

Will there be animals in Heaven?

Victoria asks:

"Will there be animals in heaven"?
 

Answer:

Hi Victoria, you bet that animals will be in Heaven.  They just won't be eating each other anymore, they will all get along:

 

God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ' name!
Nick Goggin (Editor)
 

Does God's word speak about the mixing of races?

 

A Reader asks:

 

"My question is this, "Does God's word speak about the mixing of races?" I only ask because of the way he organized the twelve tribes."

 

Answer:

     Hello; In the Bible, God only ordered Israel not to intermix with other peoples (the Gentiles and the Kenites).

 

     This is not a salvation issue, but rather an inheritance issue.  In the Old Testament, Israel inherited 'Heaven' (everlasting life)―they were God's people.  But in the New Testament, all can be saved (adopted) through Christ Jesus.  

So if you are a female*, and a (true) Israelite (that being the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic and kindred peoples), and you marry outside of your race, then you aren't going to hell for it; your children and your children's children ... just aren't Israelites, they are Gentiles or whatever.  They lose the birthright blessing, but they do not lose their chance to be saved.

     They (the children of mixed marriages) can still be saved Christians, but they will be the wild olive branch grafted in, and not be the natural olive branch like you were.

 

     Observe:

 

Rom 11:13-27
13 For I speak to you Gentiles [races other than Israel], inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh [Israelites―Paul was of Israel through the tribe of Benjamin], and might save some of them [we see that simply being of Israel did not guarantee salvation―they still needed to believe upon Christ Jesus!].
15 For if the casting away of them [Israelites] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them [Israelites] be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit [Israelites] be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches [Israelites] be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree [Gentiles], wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree [God's chosen peoples];
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches [Israelites], take heed lest he also spare not thee [the grafted-in (through Christ) Gentiles].
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they [Israelites] also, if they abide not still in unbelief [if they will believe in Jesus Christ], shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree [races of Gentiles] which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree [race of Israelites]: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in [We see that Paul in no way did away race].
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.  (KJV)

       And I know that is a hot topic, because the International Jewish Conspirators have made it that way, for their plans (see at lower right).  But I look at it like this, God loves all His children: black, white, brown, yellow.  But if God had wanted us to all intermarry, so that eventually we would all be one sort of off-brown race, then why did He make all the different races to begin with???

     Why are we altering what He created?  To appease the Jew's (Communistic) Social Programs?  So that they don't call us 'Racists?"  Must Whites sacrifice their children with Blacks, and Blacks their children with Whites upon the altar of Political Correctness?  Do you realize how stupid that is!  I believe that God got it right from the beginning, when He made us just the way that we are; and He made our children look just like we do.  But I also believe that race-mixing is not a sin for the Gentiles.  As for true Israel?  Well, many don't even know who they are anymore.  Ignorance is their cloak. 

     Some say that when Paul taught that, through Christ, "there is no 'Jew' nor Gentile" that it means that the tribal lineage (or race) no longer applies.  To this I answer: had tribal lineage not mattered, then God would not have singled out the Tribes of Israel to be sealed in Revelation chapter seven (the 144,000 of all the tribes of Israel [by blood]), and mentioned the Gentiles separately in both the Tribulation and the New Heavens and New Earth. 

     Does not even Gen 3:15 teach us that the seed-line would remain until the end?  The scripture that says that there is no longer Jew nor Gentile, or male or female; is referring to SALVATION ONLY.  All can be saved through Jesus Christ, but a leopard cannot change his spot.  Satan, through his surrogates on the Earth, the International Jewish Conspirators, seek to change the spot; to change the kind after kind, that God ordained in genesis chapter one, into all kinds blended into becoming one kind. (See the panel at right; they basically come right out and admit it.) 

     Don't let Political Correctness make you afraid to believe the truth; for did not the Bible tell us that in the end-time, that truth will be made a lie, and lies truth?  Well, welcome to the end-time, my friend.

     Below are some Scriptures:

 

God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ' name!
Nick Goggin (Editor)

The missing link between the serpent and the International Jewish dynasty families?  Maybe, maybe not.

 

A Reader asks:

 

"Why do you suppose God did not include the kenites in this extinction? I mean, if God were wanting to keep a pure seed line, would it not be in his interest to get rid of the the offspring of satan?

 

Answer:

     To fulfill prophecy.  had God killed the Kenite, Scripture would have failed:

 

     But you might also recall that many people that God commanded Israel to kill were not killed by Israel as they were told.
 

Gen 3:15
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.  (KJV)

 

     God protected Cain and his offspring for God's own Divine purpose.

 

Gen 4:14-15
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. (KJV)

 

Gen 4:24
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.  (KJV)

 

You asked:

"And, since they were not terminated, how did God keep them from intermixing with the pure seed line? Thank you for your time and God bless!"

     They did mix with the pure seedline in Babylon.  The pure Babylonians,  I  believe, were Kenites.  Judah went into captivity and came out a mixed people.  Later they interbred with many other peoples.  Today, many of them rule the world.  The "Jewish" family dynasty of the Rothschild's is supposed to have secret genealogy records of their line that are reported to trace their lineage back to Nimrod (of Gen 10:8ff).  Now this Nimrod was an interesting character, indeed.  There much about him that is unsettling.  It is written that he began to reign in Babylon; we believe that this means that he TOOK OVER Babylon from whoever was there first (Kenites from Cain). 

     He may have had the coat that Esau returned with.  It is believed that his (Nimrod's) grandfather Ham (of Gen 10:6) married Cain's only named female descendant Naamah (from Gen 4:22).    Interesting cross reference, indeed (but that cannot now be documented without access to the secret archives of the Kenites).  If proven true, this is the great missing link between the International Jews and the first few several generations of the seed of the serpent (Gen 3:15). (see our: WBSG's position on AntiSemitism, so-called)   In the endtime they shall be sitting in Jerusalem claiming to be true Judah, ruling the world for their god antichrist, which as we see, may well be there their great, great, ..., ...grandfather satan, who was the serpent in the Garden of Eden.  For they but do lie and are of the synagogue of satan.

Documentations:

Excerpt of interview, Fritz Springmeier Interview; carried on CKLN fm 88.1, International Connection; Ryerson Polytechnical University; Toronto, Canada. 

As found at: Fritz Springmeier Interview on the Illuminati and mind control slavery. 

Undated, but by internal evidence this interview was done some time after January 11, 1998. 

[WBSG NOTE:  we do not support all that they say at these type websites.  We simply observe, glean, compare to Scripture, and and move on.  Don't get bogged down in conspiracy websites, they have perhaps 25% to 33% truth, the rest is bluff, misdirection, embellishment, and supposition.]

The excerpt:

"...
Wayne Morris [asks]:
When you say the Illuminati, is this the same group that is documented that Adam Weishaupt had started back in 1776 in Bavaria? Is this the same group?

Fritz Springmeier [answers]:

It's the same group. He actually didn't start the organization, it goes way back. These are oligarchical families that are extremely powerful and if you go back in history and ask yourself the question, "when did the elite, powerful, oligarchical families ever give up their power?" You can't find any point in history. These are the families that - some of these bloodlines go clear back to Nimrod. The Rothschild secret genealogy that they have secretly written down through the centuries, traces their genealogy back to Nimrod. These people were the ones that controlled the mystery religions. There was a supreme council that sat over all of these mystery religions of the ancient world. They were an extremely powerful priesthood, and they chose to go underground for many years and continue working behind the scenes. But they never left. ...."

And:

Sargon The Magnificent
(click picture to order)
   Written in 1927, within this book the author explains her reasons for believing that archeological discoveries in Babylonia prove that Cain (of Gen 4:1) was Sargon The First in the ancient inscriptions. Excellent hard to find data & documentation.

   The only objection that I have is that the author fails to make the connection between Cain and the Kenites, also, that she does not come right out and say that Cain was of the Serpent, but she does give inscriptions and other archeological evidences that their people worshipped the Serpent.

   For instance, the author gives evidence and reason that Ham (Nimrod's grandfather) (Gen 10:8ff) married Naamah (Cain's only named female descendant - Gen 4:22). This of course, is significant to the researcher interested in such things. If your trying to search for the early history of the Kenites this is a must have book!  Well worth the $19.00.

     Don't take this link to the bank just yet, but keep it in mind when, and if, further documentation rolls in.  Please contact us with any info in this matter that the Reader's research may have uncovered.

God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ' name!
Nick Goggin (Editor)

 

Our reply to "T":

 

You said:

 

"I truly pray for forgiveness in our savior Jesus Christ's name."

 

     Jesus came to save sinners, He hears you.  Consider this:  Apostle Paul was chosen by God to write 2/3 of the New Testament, but at the first Paul did some very bad things.  Before his conversion, Paul was a persecutor of Christians, he would round them up from their homes and bring them to trial for the 'crime' of believing upon Christ Jesus.  Many of these that Paul brought to trial were killed for their faith.  Jesus visited Paul one day and converted him.  You can read of this in Acts chapter 9 (Paul's name used to be Saul before God changed it - Saul and Paul are the same man).  Below is Paul's own words on the matter after the fact:

 

1 Tim 1:12-17
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.  (KJV)

 

Belief in Jesus Christ saves sinners:

 

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.  (KJV)

 

You said:

 

"I have been very sad and depressed, and this reading has made me feel better."

 

     I used to get depressed a lot myself, it seems to have come in cycles and most times without any apparent reason.  Then I started studying God's Word.  I didn't even notice it, but one day I realized that it had been a long time since I was depressed.  It just went away.  I thank our Lord Jesus Christ for that.

 

You said:

 

"Thank you for your studies."

 

     You are welcome.   And I thank the Lord that He sent us His Word whereby we may read it and learn of Him and of that which He desires from us.  And thank you for the kind words to me as well.  You just keep studying God's Word and you will be fine. 

 

     But be careful because there are many false teachers out there nowadays. (God warned us in the Bible that in the last days that many false teachers would come.)  The way to be sure that you are not being deceived by a false teacher is to check out everything that they say in the Scriptures, compare them.  If they can't show you their teaching in the Bible then be careful!  Minor disagreement about Bible history or Bible prophecy interpretation is normal (for not all teachers agree on every point), but be careful if someone is 'way out there' with what they are teaching.  Once again here is great advice from the good servant to Jesus Christ, Paul:

2 Tim 2:15
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.  (KJV)

 

     "Rightly dividing" means to consider it in context; the "word of truth" is the Bible.  In other words, God really loves it when you study His Word the Bible.  At the first it will seem so difficult to understand, but in short time you will really begin to understand it.  There is no greater feeling than to pick up the bible, open it, read a passage, and to be able to really understand it!

 

PS:  Have you checked out The Shepherds Chapel TV Bible study program?  The Pastor is Arnold Murray and he is a great Bible teacher.  You can find The Shepherds Chapel in any TV or Cable or Satellite guide under that name.  The program is usually late at night and is in North America and Europe even.  Check it out, he does the Bible verse by verse.

 

God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ' name!
Nick Goggin (Editor)

Jesus' lineage to Adam

 

Our reply to Richard:

 

You asked a commonly asked question:

 

 

     Oh, but you are looking in Matthew chapter 1, which is Joseph's lineage.  The reason that Joseph's lineage is important is because Joseph adopted Jesus:

Luke 2:48-51
48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father [Joseph] and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49 And he [Jesus] said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's [God's] business?
50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
51 And he [Jesus] went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.  (KJV)

 

     Thus, through Joseph, Jesus had the rights under Hebrew law of a son of Judah.  It was important at that time that on Jesus' Patriarchal side He could prove birthright.  Jesus fulfilled all Old Testament tradition regarding a (firstborn) male child: circumcision, the offering in the Temple, etc.  It was also necessary that He fulfilled all Law regarding birthright; remember, He came to His own, Israel, and thus He needed to fulfill the Law that God had given to Israel.  At that time the Old Testament (Covenant) was fully in effect because the New Covenant (Testament) had not yet been offered.

 

     To find Jesus' (flesh side) lineage you must go to Luke chapter 3.  In one of our older studies this is fully explained, see:  https://watchman.news/watchman-bs-site-arcv/ccvvmt1.htm

 

     Thank you for the kind words and feel free to write with any clarifications anytime.  I never take offense when one asks for clarification or further documentation.

 

God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ' name!
Nick Goggin (Editor)

"And the woman said, 'The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat'." Means what?

A Reader asks why this can't be fruit eating, instead of sex partaking:

Gen 3:13
13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.  KJV
 

     Hi, I see what you are saying, the word "eat" ('akal) is hard to prove.  It is not the strongest argument for the interpretation that I put forth in the study [What was the Real sin in the garden of Eden?].  But it does apply to "laying with a woman;" it's just hard to prove to someone. 

 

     I would not wish to base my argument on this word.  Many people who don't agree with the serpent/Eve teaching will throw this word up as proof against it.  They generally don't call the other words into question, but this word "eat" they pounce upon.  I agree that the allusion to sex is somewhat obscure.

 

     But bearing in mind the subject, and the fact that the serpent and Eve weren't out to lunch, it is not too difficult to determine what the word means here in this context. (Also please notice that Eve gave to Adam to eat, not the serpent; the serpent only gave to Eve.)  I mention that because naysayers will say that if Eve had sex with the serpent then so did Adam.  Not so.  Also, they will take verses from everywhere in the O.T. where the word "eat" appears and insert "had sex" to mock the teaching.  They don't want to see, their minds are made up and they only want to argue and win arguments.

 

Below is our word:

 

Hebrew word #398  'akal (aw-kal'); a primitive root; to eat (literally or figuratively): KJV-- X at all, burn up, consume, devour (-er, up), dine, eat (-er, up), feed (with), food, X freely, X in ... wise (-deed, plenty), (lay) meat, X quite.

 

     With a cursory look I found two more instances where "eat" has sexual connotations when read in context:

 

Job 31:1-12
1 I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?
2 For what portion of God is there from above? and what inheritance of the Almighty from on high?
3 Is not destruction to the wicked? and a strange punishment to the workers of iniquity?
4 Doth not he see my ways, and count all my steps?
5 If I have walked with vanity, or if my foot hath hasted to deceit;
6 Let me be weighed in an even balance, that God may know mine integrity.
7 If my step hath turned out of the way, and mine heart walked after mine eyes, and if any blot hath cleaved to mine hands;
8 Then let me sow, and let another eat; ['akal] yea, let my offspring be rooted out.
9 If mine heart have been deceived by a woman, or if I have laid wait at my neighbour's door [i.e., to sleep with his wife];
10 Then let my wife grind unto another, and let others bow down upon her. [i.e., let her have sex with other men]
11 For this is an heinous crime; yea, it is an iniquity to be punished by the judges.
12 For it is a fire that consumeth to destruction, and would root out all mine increase. (KJV)

Prov 30:18-20
18 There be three things which are too wonderful for me, yea, four which I know not:
19 The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maid.
20 Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth ['akal], and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness. (KJV)  [Question: What does a woman "eat" that makes her an adulteress???  Answer: Partaking in men other than her husband.] 

 

God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ' name!
Nick Goggin (Editor)

Who were the OTHER TREES in the Garden of Eden , that Adam & Eve could PARTAKE of?

 

Hi Jim, you asked:

 

 

     Not other peoples, as some will tell you.  For Eve was for Adam and not for other men; her sin was adultery, had the other trees in the Garden been other people then that means that God told Eve that she could sleep with other men.  Of course this is not possible.

 

     Below are the three tree types in the Garden:

 

Gen 2:8-9
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And [1] out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the [2] tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the [3] tree of knowledge of good and evil. (KJV)

 

     The other trees in the Garden of Eden were fruit trees.  It was these trees that God told Eve she could partake of:

Gen 3:2
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: (KJV)

Satan, the serpent, was the tree that she could not partake of:

Gen 3:3
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.  (KJV)

Jesus was the Tree of Life before His time:

Gen 3:22
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:  (KJV)

     Don't let anyone tell you any such blasphemy as that this means that Eve could partake of Jesus as she did the serpent.  That is some of the vile things that those who disagree with this teaching say.  To them point out that it was Adam that God said perchance may put forth his HAND to the tree of Life.  Eve is not mentioned here.  Eve touched (naga) the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

     Adam did not touch that tree, Eve gave Adam to eat, not the serpent.  Eve was told not to touch (naga) the Tree, Adam wasn't:

 

Gen 3:6
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. (KJV)

 

God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ' name!
Nick Goggin (Editor)