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  1. John 8:39-44: Did Jesus really mean that they were born of the devil?

  2. Why was there Light in Gen 1:3 on the first day, but no sun until Gen 1:16 on the forth day?

  3. Illustration of an excellent computer Bible study tool

  4. What did Eve "eat" ('akal) in Gen 3:13―was it apples or adultery?

  5. And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee

  6. Who/what were the Serpent and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden?

  7. The International merchants of social destruction

  8. Was the first choice of a help meet for Adam, animals?

  9. Are 'Gay' people born that way―did God create them Gay? Help offered

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Question #1
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John 8:39-44: Did Jesus really mean that they were born of the devil?


John 8:39-44
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born  
[bloodline] of fornication [of Eve, the first adulteress with the serpent/satan]; we have one Father [Adam was the son of God], even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of
[genealogy―see note] your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
KJV


Gen 3:14-15
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.  KJV

Note:

     Not, as some say, that these were simply "of the devil" because they did evil.  But rather it is speaking of genealogy, parentage.  The context of the debate between Christ and these certain Jews in the Temple Treasury (John 8:20) shows that these Jews understood Jesus to be speaking of their bloodline, for in their apologia they mention "Abraham is our father," and "not born of fornication."  These Jews were speaking of nothing but genealogy.

John 8:44
44 Ye are of
[genealogy] your father the devil..."

of:  Greek word #1537  ek (ek) or ex (ex); a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote)

Matt 1:16
16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of
[ek] whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.  KJV

Matt 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of
[ek] the Holy Ghost. KJV

 

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Why was there Light in Gen 1:3 on the first day, but no sun until Gen 1:16 on the forth day?

 

Delores asks:
"When God created the light on the 1st day and separated the light from darkness is this good and evil? He didn't create the Sun, Moon, Stars until the 4th day. It seems to me like day is a symbol of good since he tell us to be children of the light. What do you think? Delores"
Answer:
 
    Excellent question!  And the answer opens many hither-to-now hard to understand Scriptures (as we will see).  You are correct, Light came into the world on the first day, but the Sun, Moon, and Stars were not created until the forth day.  Observe below when the light was manifested in the world:
Gen 1:2b-5
1b ...And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4  And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.  KJV
    So what was that Light?
John 1:1-12
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:  KJV
 
John 9:5
5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.  KJV
    Paul was commissioned to bring this light unto the Gentiles:
Acts 13:47
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.  KJV
    But Paul was not that light, he was to witness of that light.  Just as John the Baptist "came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light" (John 1:7), but John the Baptist "was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light" (John 1:8).
 
    Now, how many can actually honestly say that they fully comprehended the simplicity of the message in John 3:19-21 before connecting this Light to the light that was spoken of in that Scripture?
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.  KJV
    This is not sunlight, this is Christ Jesus the Light.  For that orb, the sun, cannot be "hated", no one can "cometh to the [sun] ".  The sun cannot "reprove men's deeds"; it cannot "make manifest men's deeds" showing if they be "wrought in God. "  But Jesus can, and does; for He said in another place: "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6).
 
    Additional Scriptures which are further illuminated when one understands that this Light was from the beginning of the world, and that Light was Jesus Christ:
Isaiah 9:2
2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.  KJV  [Compare to: "
For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." (1 Peter 4:6), and "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" (1 Peter 3:19).]
 
Isaiah 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.  KJV
 
Isaiah 49:6
6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.  KJV
 
Isaiah 60:1-3
1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.  KJV
 
Hosea 6:3
3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.  KJV
 
Malachi 4:2
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.  KJV
 
Matthew 4:14-16
14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.  KJV
 
Luke 1:78-79
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.  KJV
 
Luke 2:32
32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.  KJV
 
John 12:35
35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.  KJV
 
Acts 26:23
23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.  KJV
    But not all men see the Light, many reject Christ.  In Christ' day, certain men killed Him, and today certain men fitted to destruction, deny Him; because some "...men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."  (John 19b-21)
 
God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name!
Nick Goggin

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Question #3
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Illustration of an excellent computer Bible study tool

 

"D." asks:

"Who's daughters were described as fair"

 

Answer:

     Hello, with my BibleSoft program I simply entered the words "daughters + fair" in the search panel and found the below two entries:

Gen 6:1-2
6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair ; and they took them wives of all which they chose.  KJV
 
Job 42:15-17
15 And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.
16 After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, and saw his sons, and his sons' sons, even four generations.
17 So Job died, being old and full of days.  KJV
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God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name!
Nick Goggin

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What did Eve "eat" ('akal) in Gen 3:13―was it apples or adultery?

 

Gen 3:13
13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat
['akal ].  KJV

    You thought that Eve was eating apples?  Hardly!  That's what your Preacher told you?  Don't listen to foolishness.  Eve lost her virginity to satan (the serpent); see our: What was the Real sin in the garden of Eden?  Much disputings are made by Strong's Concordance Commandos over the word "eat" as it is used in the above Scripture.  And the definition in the Strong's does lend to the proper interpretation that Eve "partook" of the fruit, rather than literally "ate" it (down into her digestive tract.  But then those on the other side of the argument could also use that same Strong's definition to support their idea that Eve was munching on apples in the garden. 

     The problem lies in that the Strong's give multiple meaning to a word as it is variously found in different places in Scripture, the reader them must, based on the context of the particular passage that he is investigating the word, determine for himself which definition is applicable.  This of course leads to many varied interpretations of the same word, in the same passage, with the same Strong's definition.  Observe the Strong's definition for "eat" as it is found in Gen #3:13: ("eat" as in "partake of")

("eat" as in "partake of")

eat:  Hebrew word #398  'akal (aw-kal'); a primitive root; to eat (literally or figuratively):  KJV - at all, burn up, consume, devour (-er, up), dine, eat (-er, up), feed (with), food, freely, in ... wise (-deed, plenty), (lay) meat, quite.  

     Now you notice that I have highlighted several words in the above Strong's entry, steering the reader to my interpretation.  But someone else, who disagrees with me, and has a different interpretation, could likewise highlight other words that would steer the reader towards his interpretation.  Observe:

("eat" as in "have dinner")

eat:  Hebrew word #398  'akal (aw-kal'); a primitive root; to eat (literally or figuratively):  KJV - at all, burn up, consume, devour (-er, up), dine, eat (-er, up), feed (with), food, freely, in ... wise (-deed, plenty), (lay) meat, quite.  

     So you see the inherent difficulty that the study solely with a Strong's definition, without using any verse-specific context, can bring about.   As you can see, void of any context, both interpretations are bore out by the Strong's definitions; both interpretations may rest their case on the Strong's, both can be correct.  That is because the word is used in more than one context Bible-wide.  Hence, Dr. Strong stated "to eat (literally or figuratively)."  In other words, he is alerting the reader, that while the Bible in some places uses the word quite literally as to 'eat food,' it also, in other places, uses the term figuratively, as in 'the partaking of some act; the taking-in of something, not necessarily into the belly, but also into the mind, into the being.'

     Example:

  • Eve ate dinner with Adam, she did eat what Adam had cooked.
  • Eve partook of the serpent, she did eat of when he had offered.

     Same word, two entirely different contexts, even in the English! 

     Remember this whenever you resort thither to the Strong's Concordance & Dictionary: Dr. Strong gave the multi-meaning definitions for each word as he found them in the various Scriptures where they occurred.  That is the method of how he wrote his Dictionary.  Didn't you ever wonder how Dr. Strong, in the late nineteenth Century A.D., could exhibit such a grasp of the second-millennia B.C. Ancient (then near-dead) Hebrew language?  Now you know, he went by context.  (Yiddish, the language of the modern-day Jews, is a far cry different than Ancient Hebrew of the Old Testament.)  When you see Jewish Newspapers today, they aren't true Hebrew, per sey, they are in Yiddish, which language they took with them from Khazaria in the Steps of Russian and blended with German, Hungarian, etc. in the European ghettos.

     Observe this context of our same word 'akal:

Isa 3:8-11
8 For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings are against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory.
9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.
10 Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat
['akal ] the fruit of their doings.
11 Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.  KJV

      And finally, let's use CONTEXT to determine the true meaning of the word "eat" in Gen 3:13.  Let's go to another Scripture that uses the same identical Hebrew word ['akal ], in the same context, as Gen 3:13 uses it:

Prov 30:20
20 Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth
['akal ], and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.  KJV

Gen 3:13
13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat
['akal ].  KJV

    Eve was the first adulteress.  And just as with the whore in Prov 30:20, Eve wasn't eating dinner, she was having adulterous sexual intercourse.  The result of that unlawful (and unnatural) union between Eve and the serpent, was Cain, the originator of the Kenite Tribes (plural).

Note:  In the book, Sargon The Magnificent, (reviewed in our library) we see that while the Author does not make the connection as to the serpent (satan) siring Cain, she does note that Cain exhibited abilities above that which natural humans possessed.  I contend that the great, great,..., ancestors of this one Cain, the Kenites, to this day possess attributes above that which the average human has.  See WBSG's position on AntiSemitism, so-called.

God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name!
Nick Goggin

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Question #5
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And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee

 

Sharon asks:

Question:  What does God mean when he tells Eve that she will desire her husband but he would be her master or rule over her?  Could you go into more detail based on God's word.  Was this a curse or was it too done away with when Jesus died?   Pleas reply...


Answer:

Hi [xxxxx].  It means that the man would rule over the women in matters domestic. 

Gen 3:16
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.  KJV
    But I wouldn't call it a curse, as you did; Christian women need Christian men to be over them for their own protection (spiritual more than physical and financial anymore).  
 
    In the Bible, if you read it cover to cover (which few, if any, do anymore), you see that woman was to go out from under the authority of her father to under the authority of her husband.  A man was to go out from under the authority of his father to being the authority over his own family.  That is how God set it up. 
 
    Man leads, women and children follow--that is the Biblical model for a family.  Today this all but undone--and look at our women and children today!  Loose women and disobedient children, divorce and runaways, abortion and child criminals, godless women and doubly godless children; and where are the men?  Who needs them anymore?  Feminism finds it's perfect completion in Lesbianism.  Society is falling over the cliff.  I find no Scriptures stating that it shall stop before it's complete ruin. 
 
    As women rebelled from their husbands, so too now do the single-parent children rebel from under their mothers.  Children are the victims of the whims of their mother's passions.  Now today, the bizarre nuclear family is one of female dominated households and lesbian parents; men are only there for stud service and $$$.  Men are being blamed for this, but like God did not see it convenient to Lord over rebellious Israel, so too did men find it contemptible to be good men over unfaithful and traitoress women.  Women acted a certain way and men treated them like it.  So too did God put away Israel for her sin.  The prophesies in Scripture indicate that Israel shall not repent; nor, quite frankly, am I holding out any hope that women will clean up their act.
 
    What on God's good earth do you think that the next generation of rebellious children, raised without fathers or male role-models (who shall carry on the ungodly work that had gained it's great foothold in the 1960's), do to further destroy God's model for family, morals, Christianity, and gender roles! 
 
    Who, other than a satanist or hedonist, could honestly look around them and declare that these Jewish fomented social movements have been good for American (and all once-Christian Western nation's) societies? 
 
    Satan couldn't have planned it any better.  And in the middle of the problem is disobedient women, just like at the center of the Garden of Eden was a disobedient woman.  Eve was the first adulteress (What was the Real sin in the garden of Eden?); she betrayed her husband and her God.  Eve is the perfect example of the soon-to-be-realized fate of today's women with free choice.  She neither wants to follow her man nor her God, and for her sin she shall (and even now is) having her way--no man and no God.  Satan is the ultimate winner in all of this.
 
     I know that all this sounds surreal today; what with women's liberation and all (which is from satan).  Funny thing is, feminists have no problem that their father was over them (authority wise), but no man (read husband/boyfriend) will she have over her.  How does she think that her father got to be over her, if her mother didn't submit to the father of this feminist in the first place?  They (feminists/lesbians) are simply breaking the chain, and selfishly destroying the American family in the process.  This they, perhaps unwittingly, do for satan.
 
    Most of you people that are of age today, have bought-in to the ruse that women's liberation was some godly movement; when a simple cursory read of your Bible shows you that the concept of women's liberation and feminism is completely foreign to God's Word.  Not to mention all the many other "social revolutions" with which the Jewish global masters are enslaving Christian women into (Women's "Liberation," Feminism, Homosexual/Lesbian, Liberal, pluralism in religion, race, and gender).  Woman today say "So what!  We will do what we desire, our lusts we shall follow, we shall be preeminent."  Like the Gnostics of old who supposed to be gods, so too today do undisciplined women suppose to eclipse the man.
Jer 31:22
22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.  KJV
    OK, so be it, the world gives you the right; but think not that you won't answer for it on that great and terrible day of judgment.
 
    But anyway, Jesus did not change that man was to be the ruler of the family, not at all.  In fact, in the New Testament, after Christ was glorified, the post-Christ scriptures teaches us that the man was always to be the head over the woman:
1 Cor 11:3
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.  KJV
 
Eph 5:23
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.  KJV
    You are a woman, right?  OK, look at the state of women today compared to before they could vote, before there was  free-love and amoral standards, before divorce was no-fault, before woman took dominant roles in the family, before killing the fruit of her womb was simply a woman exercising "pro-choice," before woman started discarding their men and switching them like one changes shoes.
 
    God knew that satan would easily have his way with women and that they are easily deceived.  Remember Eve.  Women today are being used, they are at the forefront of almost every subversive (to God) social movement; but behind them is the hidden hand.  It ought not to be like that.  But it is.  Satan is in all of this.
 
    But your problem, now (because I presume that you are a Christian woman who wants to be well-pleasing to the Lord), is this:  Are you to follow your man?
 
    Well, men today are not worthy of being followed.  Satan also undermined us along with you, or rather by you, like Adam by Eve.  Therefore you are to follow a good Christian man, but you are not even supposed to marry (or sleep around with) a non-Christian man.  This is Scriptural:
1 Cor 7:39
39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.  KJV
    But nobody knows this today because satan has turned truth into lie and lies into truth.
 
    Your fellow women have ruined it for you: the feminists, women libbers, lesbians, and other bitter godless women who changed society to their (and ultimately satan's) pleasing; for now there are no good men left hardly, they were all confused when you women changed, and now they are lost somewhere East of Eden themselves.  The Biblical model of a family is all but dead.
 
    The only hope for you is that there are still small pockets of Christians who believe in trying their best to live by the Bible.  Satan is taking that away from them as well, though, for in Canada for instance, the Bible is classified as hate-speech because of it's admonition of homosexuals and lesbians and that the God and Savior of the Bible is a male figure.  There can be no male god, no gender roles, no values, no morals, no absolutes, in the New Age religion--thus the Bible must go.  And so-called (play) Christians more and more everyday are going along with this and closing their Bibles: ashamed of it's words; rebelling against their God.  It is they that shall be judged harshest, for they were to have known better, they had the Scriptures, they were written to them.  But once-good men and women rebelled against God and ultimately against themselves; and what the gates of hell could not prevail against, ungodly humans betrayed.
 
    Anyone from the world who reads what I just wrote would be beside themselves with anger at me--so out of touch am I, they would say.  But it is they that are out of touch, they that are out of kilter, they that have been deceived and overthrown in the wilderness that is this world.
 
    And men are not innocent in all of this, not by a long shot.  Men are guilty for letting women become what they have become.  It all started when God was forgotten.  Satan's thumbprint is all over this.
 
    Find a good Christian man and follow him.  Or remain single (virgin) that is what Paul told you:
1 Cor 7:8-9
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I [Paul abstained].
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry : for it is better to marry than to burn.  KJV
    But it best that you pray to Him for help in this matter, Christian men and women alike need to pray to God for guidance and assistance in these troublous times.  A real diamond in the rough is the Biblical Christian man or woman. 
 
    Please do not fall into the trap of misinterpreting anything that I am saying to mean that some ungodly, unchristian, abusive man is to control you and draw you away from Christ.  You are not a doormat.  A Christian woman is supposed to find a good Christian man to marry.  A Christian man who would not abuse his authority, but rather would die for you like Christ died for his bride, the body of believers.  Does it sound unfair to women?  I ask you, which is the bigger servant, the obedient wife, or the man who would give his life for her?  God IS fair, look at this in that light and you will not walk away from this feeling like a second class citizen.  Men have not lived up to their end either.
Eph 5:20-25
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church : and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;  KJV
God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name!
Nick Goggin

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 Who/what were the Serpent and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden?

 

 Delores writes:

Hi Nick, ...I have been a little frustrated these days because I spoke to someone about Cain's wife and now I guess I opened a can of worms. 

...I have more questions of my own about the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. ...

...Who/What exactly is the Tree of Life?  Instantly I want to say it is Jesus but I can not find scripture to back this up.  All I can find is the scripture below and it sounds like it is some kind of real fruit.  If that is so, then I makes me think that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil did have fruit but that the Serpent was with Eve and impregnated her with his seed but it seems like she did bite some kind of fruit from that tree.  Guess I need some learning and more understanding. 

Gen 2:9: And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

...How do I explain that the Serpent and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil were one in the same?

Answer:

Hello [Xxxxxx].

 
    You asked, "How do I explain that the Serpent and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil were one in the same?"

    You probably can't.  People won't listen.  To the average mainstream Christian the very thought that satan had sexual intercourse with Eve is revolting, and not something that a Christian ought to be saying.  They have been setup by thousands of years of false info that was designed to, at this late date in the annals of the world, steer people away from the knowledge that satan has a literal seed (Kenites) on this Earth, and that it is this seed which is those men in power today globally (see our: WBSG's position on AntiSemitism, so-called).  These men are preparing this world to hand it to their father satan (antichrist).  Now go try to explain that to Joe or Jane Christian.  Good luck! 

 
    They cannot begin to fathom it because they have been lied to, from among other places, even from the men at the heads of their respective churches.  Some key points in the misdirection of Christians regarding the Kenite would be that Christians are lied to and told erroneously that: Adam was the first human, Cain was Adam's son, and that Noah's Flood was global and killed all humans but eight;  By these untruths, man is conditioned to believe that it is not possible that all humans are not related by patriarchal blood, and thus, that there cannot be a race of men on Earth not father ultimately by Adam.  Thus, to them, the Kenite is a myth, a libel, a slander, an unchristian thing to say.  So-called (misguided and overthrown) Christians then "police" other Christians and keep them in line (unwittingly for the Kenites) so that they do not speak of the reality of the Kenite.  Yet the Kenite is prophesied by God himself to exist at the end time:
See Jer 35:5-19, which culminates with:
 
Jer 35:19
19 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever.  KJV
    And we know that they made it through the Flood of Noah, for we see them AFTER the Flood traveling around with (infiltrating) the Israelies:
1 Chron 2:55
55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.  KJV
We see these Scribes at Christ's time as well:
Matt 23:15
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.  KJV
    Satan has a perfectly devised plan which has been prosecuted for millennia by evil men, and that plan shall succeed.  Then God comes and ends everything.  This is what the book of Revelation is all about.  How come we don't hear this in the churches?  How come all we hear is "do good" messages in the churches?  Why are not the people being warned?  Where are the Watchmen?  They are not in mainstream Christendom.
 
    The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (and as well the Tree of Life) were not literal trees.  The other regular trees in the Garden (and as well the world in general) were fruit trees, etc.  Observe in the two Scriptures that you posted on the matter.  Observe that in Gen 1:29 the regular trees are referred to as "in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed", which was a food tree for them "to you it shall be for meat."
 
    And in Gen 2:9 - "every tree that is pleasant to the sight, " which was a food tree "and good for food".
 
    Observe that the two remarkable trees in the Garden had not those attributes:
"Gen1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
 
Gen 2:9: And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
    
God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name!
Nick Goggin

 

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The International merchants of social destruction
 

Sharon writes back and follows-up And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee with:

Thank you for your comment and God's Word.  I got the part [about the] Man leading and [the] woman following, but how do you answer [about the] Man not letting God be his head. 

I do not know one Man that has read the Bible what least knows that God is the head, and [is] his head.  It seems as of old, the Man, like in the Garden, will not take the lead.  Why? 

Women’s lib came about because most Women have not read or heard the Word of God.  Men want Women to leave the house and make a dollar only to give it to him, and without him knowing that his head is God, he uses his Mastership in the wrong manner.  My Husband does not desire to know God's word; and only because of me does my family know about God.  His faith is in a dollar not God.  Like most men. You touched on all of what Women are not doing, how about the Men.


Answer:

     OK Sharon, that is a fair question.  First I'll give the short answer, then go much deeper.  Man failed God just as women failed God; we all failed God.  I stated in your prior question/answer, which you refer to, that women failed God by disobeying the men and coming out from under their control (which left them vulnerable to the wiles of the devil).  Well, men failed God by letting the women do this, just as Adam should have stopped Eve from sinning, instead of letting her entice him into the sin.  There were forces at work in the Garden of Eden that were brought to bear upon Eve and Adam, just as there are forces at work upon us now.  We shall identify those forces in the below, for anyone who has the stomach for the hard Politically-Incorrect truth.

Now for the long answer:

WBSG Note:  Please understand that this answer is written to the greater public, and not everything is addressed to the specific asker of the original question.  So, many times when you read me say, "You ...", it doesn't necessarily mean the person who asked this question.  I don't want to hurt feelings when I intended not to hurt feelings.  I always answer questions to everybody, not just to the person asking.

     Sharon, you are basically saying/asking that while women have failed God, they did not fail alone; men had a hand in this as well.  You are making a point, which I did touch on in the above.  I excerpt from the above, wherein I stated:

"And men are not innocent in all of this, not by a long shot.  Men are guilty for letting women become what they have become.  It all started when God was forgotten.  Satan's thumbprint is all over this."                 

     Your particular problem (which you outline) is that you acted contrary to the advise suggested in the prior question/answer wherein it stated: "Find a good Christian man and follow him.  Or remain single (virgin) that is what Paul told you."

     You say of your husband, "...My Husband does not desire to know God's word ... His faith is in a dollar, not God."

     OK, so as a Christian woman, you made a poor choice of a husband for yourself and of a father to your (future) children.  Religion was not an important part of your decision in choosing a boyfriend-fiancée-husband-children's father?  Obviously it was not, and I know who made you to not consider the Christianity (or lack thereof) of your potential future life-mate.  We shall discuss them momentarily.  And I am not picking on you, but like so many women, you made choices when you were young that you now have to deal with for the rest of your (and your children's) life.  Perhaps your situation will help young people reading along here.  I do not say that men have made no mistakes, we shall identify them below. 

     Basically, you are a Christian woman who wants her children to grow up knowing the Lord, and to attain that great gift of eternal life for themselves that comes only through Jesus Christ―but you married a heathen (unbeliever) who frustrates your efforts to teach the children of the importance of Christianity to their lives.  He may frustrate your efforts overtly or subtly, whether forbidding the mention of Christ in the house, or by making little jokes and demonstrating that Christianity is a "mommy" thing, and that the men don't "do religion."  (The latter is my early life's story.)  What chance has a young boy or young girl, who idolizes their father, have to really take Christianity seriously in this type domestic environment? 

     When I was young, my perception of 'religion' was that it was something that we kids and Mom did while Dad was watching the football game.  Or that religion was something that the women and kids did, but that after a boy grows up then he doesn't have to do it.  Obviously, the subliminal message formed in me was that 'religion' was not necessary, it was like going to school (which most young boys feel is totally an unnecessary waste of time).  And when in church I remember seeing mostly women of all ages and children and old men.  I didn't see any "cool guys" that us young boys normally look up to or wanted to emulate.  You should be beginning to see the sin of the male gender.  But back to our flow.

     Women need to think beyond the honeymoon when selecting a life-mate.  They need to think about long range issues, they need to think about more than emotion.  Now, not that I am advocating it, but, in the Bible the husband was selected for the wife.  That way the family line was always kept pure, and their religion consistent: the daughters of Israel were not to marry Babylonians and they were to follow the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; not the false god Dagon.  But satan entered in today, and now there is very little purity in anything anymore. 

     Let's examine what is happening to us (Christians), and who it is that is orchestrating this long term documented  program to destroy us, and the whole world with us, for their god satan (to be realized in the end as the antichrist).    

     Pluralism and diversity are tools of satan, not God.  And they are themselves lies, hiding a deeper agenda. 

 

Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion
Protocol #1

"We Shall End Liberty"

...In all corners of the earth the words "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," brought to our ranks, thanks to our blind agents [Liberals], whole legions who bore our banners with enthusiasm. And all the time these words were canker-worms at work boring into the well-being of the GOYIM [human cattle, i.e., non-Jews], putting an end everywhere to peace, quiet, solidarity and destroying all the foundations of the GOYA States.

As you will see later, this helped us to our triumph: it gave us the possibility, among other things, of getting into our hands the master card -- the destruction of the privileges, or in other words of the very existence of the aristocracy of the GOYIM, that class which was the only defense peoples and countries had against us. On the ruins of the eternal and genealogical aristocracy of the GOYIM we have set up the aristocracy of our educated class headed by the aristocracy of money. The qualifications for this aristocracy we have established in wealth, which is dependent upon us, and in knowledge, for which our learned elders provide the motive force.

 

     But I know that most people today have been brainwashed into the whole "Diversity is our strength" thing, when that very saying is itself a contradiction.  Why is it that we do not investigate all these social programs that surround us everywhere?  They wrap them in pretty packages and tell us that they are good; we then parrot them by chiming in with "they are good," without thinking them all the way through.  But are they good? 

"Diversity" is division

     Diversity in a society is this: several different people groups, each possessing their own different religion, race, values, and traditions, all combined together, but still each retaining their individual group distinctions.  This is nothing less that a divided society.  Yet they tout it as the glue that holds the Nation together, when it really is that which keeps it divided and in turmoil.  A turmoil that they intend to overthrow us by.     

Diversity  di·ver·si·ty
1. a. The fact or quality of being diverse; difference.
    b. A point or respect in which things differ.
2. Variety or multiformity
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.

     What the International Jewish conspirators are doing is the oldest trick in the book: Divide and conquer.  And through their media apparatus and law enforcement arm they are forcing different peoples and different religions (through so-called social-justice and hate-speech/think laws) to live side by side being accepting-of each others different (diverse) views and ways―thus diluting both―which all can then later be altered into their utopia.  Today they have brought us to the place where nothing is wrong, nothing can be considered different, everything goes, all is relative. 

     Several different people groups have been thrust together, to live side by side and interspersed amongst each other: gay and strait, white and black, Christian and Muslim, the working and the lazy, the educated and the drop-out; even the Democrat and Republican, the conservative and liberal, and the pro-choice and pro-life are their inventions: It is all designed to divide us (make us diverse).

The Melting Pot

    Likewise we have had this term thrust upon us a some good thing.  Further down in this article we shall see their meaning of melting pot, and it is a far cry from what they are telling us.  This melting pot is that which they throw us into to strip us of all individuality and religion, out of which they can pour their New World Order citizen.  Ever wonder why America has had such a liberal immigration policy?  You thought that it was because our controlled leaders were just such nice fellows?  Sorry, that is not why at all.  The Rev. Dr. Abraham Cohen, in his Everyman's Talmud states on page 35:

"History, which is largely a record of the melting of minorities in majorities, records no instance of the survival of a group not segregated in space or not protected by a burning faith...."

     This is why America is a melting pot filled with diversity; no other reason.  They know that this is the way to break the strong Christian nation that America once was.  Controlled and 'cleansed' history hides from you the fact that both Russia and Germany were once great Christian nations, until the International Jewish conspirators set their hands upon them.  More on that later.  But let me interject here that when I speak of these International Jewish conspirators, I am not speaking of all who call themselves Jews, I am not speaking of Ma and Pa Schwartz who run the local delicatessen, I am speaking of a small cadre of select individuals who just happen to erroneously call themselves Jews, but are not Jews, and do lie (Rev 2:9 & 3:9).  Actually, for those who know the term, they are Kenites, the offspring of Cain, who was the offspring of the serpent, who was the devil satan.  See our: What was the Real sin in the garden of Eden?

Kenite:  Hebrew word (O.T.)#7014 Qayin (kah'-yin); the same as OT:7013 (with a play upon the affinity to OT:7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:  KJV - Cain, Kenite (-s).

     The "melting pot" and "diversity" are all by design, for now there are no absolutes, there is no "norm," there is no possibility of a united people―all that is necessary for a view, a lifestyle, a moral, or a religion, is that someone, anyone, subscribes to it.  What an ingenious way for the International Jewish conspirators to introduce any perversion or self-destructive ideal into a society, forced upon us all by law, no less! 

     Today, the latest in a long line of destructive liberal principles is for man/man & woman/woman marriage; but the very laws and decisions that shall enable same sex marriage will, by necessity, also allow for group-marriage and adult/child marriage.  And for that matter, a man will soon, by equal marriage laws, be able to marry his German Shepherd dog.  After all, they will successfully be able to argue, that just as hetero-sexuals have no right to impose their morality on homo-sexuals, so too will human-sexuals have no right to impose their views on interspecies-sexuals.  This is diversity at it's 'best.' 

     It is satan that is behind gay marriage, not the visible activist degenerates, they are only the pawns of the International Jewish conspirators.  The end-game is the destruction of God's ordered world.  Remember their saying, "Out of chaos, order"?  Today's Homosexuals and Lesbians are simply the current group of what they term useful idiots.  You have seen absolutely nothing yet, compared with all that satan's minions on Earth, the International Jewish conspirators, have in store for you!  Wait till you see what they have in mind for your new religion and your new god (which you shall be "encouraged" under pain of death to worship); you will learn to long for the day when your only concern was that two perverts wanted to engage in a sham marriage!

     America is being turned against itself from within.  When America (and all of the other Western once-Christian nations) fall, it will be without a single shot being fired; it shall collapse upon itself internally through orchestrated revolt (just like the once great CHRISTIAN Nation Russia fell to in the 1917 Jewish Bolshevik Revolution).  America will be overcome with all of her mighty nuclear arsenal still sitting secure in the silos, never even being fueled-up to fire.  Satan is not stupid, he knows what Jesus knew:

Mark 3:24-25
24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.  KJV

     So much for the contrived catch-phrase of the day, "Diversity is our strength" !

     What am I saying?  Am I offering a solution?  No I am not offering a solution―for there is no solution.  So perfectly have they created the catch 22 in which any attempt at solution only brings about a greater problem.  They are genius, pure perfect evil genius!  This mastery can only come from the (evil side of the) spiritual realm, as did the program of world dominination outlined in their manifesto, the Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion

Catch 22 being defined as: "A situation in which a desired outcome or solution is impossible to attain because of a set of inherently illogical rules or conditions". 

     As a side note, please do not think that I admire these people because I credit them with perfect execution of their  program, I do not admire them, I wonder in amazement at the perfection of their plan as we see it unfolding.  I wonder at the genius built into their plan that makes it almost impossible for someone like myself to speak plainly and truthfully about it without making myself appear to be a hate-speech/hate-thought offender.  They have made the simple telling of the truth about them, a hate crime, by their own orchestrated hate crime legislations; and you know that nobody listens to a "hate-monger."  Do I sound like I hate them?  I do not hate them, but like with a vicious dog I know not to take my eye off of them or to turn my back to them.

     The catch 22 being that any who know of them and dare speak of what they know about them and their ungodly plans, will not be listened to in the mainstream, because the truth now falls into the contrived category of so-called hate.  So the only way for their opponents to "not lose," is for them to remain silent of the plan; forever guaranteeing it's secrecy as it quietly and unrelentingly marches forward.  Pretty smart, aren't they?  It goes even deeper, they also have (misinformed and ignorant) Christians policing (aware) Christians by called them "AntiSemitic, racist, unChristian-like, and intolerant" for simply speaking the truth of the International Jewish conspiratorsThey now have the victims defending, enabling, and protecting their own oppressors and the enemies of their (Christian's) God and Savior.  This is nothing short of genius, albeit pure evil genius.  John also wondered at them:

Rev 17:6-7
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns  KJV

     The Western once-Christian societies shall fall, and with them goes the world; we are just letting you know how they shall fall, so that you can chart the signs of the times and observe the signposts along the way to the world's eventual enslavement under the antichrist system which is outlined in the thirteenth chapter of Revelation.  And in alerting you, it may be that perchance you can escape the worst of it.

     Knowing your enemy's plan goes a long way towards your survival in any battle.  There is a subtle long-term program designed to draw you away from Jesus Christ and sound doctrine.  And seeing it for what it is may be the edge that you need to enable you to know to what to do as we begin the final run-up to the Tribulation.  If you know how your enemy plans to deceive you, you are a lot less likely to be deceived. 

     God always wanted His people to be aware and to be knowledgeable.  He also wanted them to be stand-uppers, not lay-downers.    At the birth of Christianity, a religion founded upon the blood of the Messiah of God, whom the evil of this world killed and crucified, the early church fought insurmountable odds against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, and they won.

     Christianity, like a bright light turned on in a dark place, shed forth salvation all over this once-dark world.  Many good men and women died for this faith.  But now, in the end of the world, it is getting dark again; the light is dimming, not because that light is weak, but that there is none to carry it to the darkness.  We have not been good stewards of the the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.  Many good men died that we could even breath Christ's name aloud. 

     Many were killed, and their whole families too, for simply saying Jesus Christ, Messiah of God.  In secret they huddled in home churches fearing the knock on the door, out of their lack and their children's need they gave the Apostles provision, with their very life in the balance they worshiped the Lord that they knew was true, and whom had done as much and so much more for them.  Have they died in vain?  Watching the nightly news or picking up a newspaper today it would seem that they have.  

     Today, in a futile effort to appease the enemies of God, Christ, and the religion and people that bear His name―Christianity, the end-time Christian pretends that all will be well if they just dumb down and close their eyes, keeping silent; as the forces of satan methodically dismantle God's created order, His Scripture, and His Salvation Jesus Christ.  The Emperor really isn't naked, we say, there is not an elephant in the room, as it steps upon us.  Christian's failure to take stands, fight for what's right, contend for the faith, speak out against wrongs and errors, and our wishy-washy attitude towards the destruction of all that we hold dear, is to be our eventual overthrow:

Hos 4:6
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.  KJV
 

     This cannot be stopped, the Tribulation shall befall us, for it is Holy Spirit inspired prophesy, written in the past-tense in the Bible.  "...and all the world wondered after the beast.  And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast...." (Rev 13:3-4).  This is what the International Jewish conspirators have been working for centuries, even millennia, to bring forth; they were born for it: "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." (Jude 4). 

     But you are not fated on an individual level, you do have choices, options.  Many wise Christians shall escape the slaughter of the Tribulation.  They shall have something in common, they will understand what is going on around them.  Didn't know that Christians were going to die during the Great Tribulation?  See Scriptural Evidences That Christians Shall Die In The Great Tribulation. Thought that you were going to be Raptured out?  See The Rapture Theory; What Does God's Word Say About It?.  Now get sober minded, and quit listening to your destroyers when they proclaim good for you "saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace" (Jer 6:14). 

Jer 6:13-19
13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.
18 Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.
19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.  KJV

     Bad things are coming, but they will present a utopia to you before the bottom drops out; be ready for that.  Here, may we illustrate the Tribulation like this?

  • Many people will err by thinking that step 2 above is really step 4, and become lost when step 3 happens upon them; step 4 will not be a glorious time of rewards for these.

  • The Rapturist will have his faith shaken when he finds himself in step 1, having thought that he was to have been  Raptured before these troubles; and he will be vulnerable to being deceived when step 2 comes in, for by now all his doctrine is contradicted; he will be totally bewildered when step 3 comes about.  Who knows what his state shall be at step 4.  This is the great danger of the Rapture teaching.

     The human race universal is the victim in this crime, God is the Complainant, satan is the offender, and the International Jewish Cadre are the conspirators.  Thank God, for the Christian's sake, that they can appeal directly to Him for help and protection in the name of their Savior Jesus Christ. 

     All other religions are in a heap of trouble, satan has the mastery over them, for their gods are vain.  These will easily convert to antichrist's new religion, for their own religion was false all along; what great thing is it to switch from one lie to another?  So they will enjoy a time of relative peace during the Tribulation as long as they worship antichrist (satan).  But Christians, they cannot worship satan, thus they shall not fare so well when worship is ordered under pain of death (unless God protects them Divinely―which He does appear to do on two separate occasions in Revelation chapter twelve), for the Tribulation is designed specifically for them, their religion is real and it is the power of God in Christ Jesus.  Satan doesn't like that.

     The New World Order folks envision ultimately one people, all people becoming the same cookie-cutter drones.  But while diversity is the dish of the day for all of us, it is not on the plate for the Jews.  They make us change and blend and assimilate and incorporate, but they remain very much separated.  Imagine if a white man said the below about the Anglo-Saxon white race, there would be cries of "Racism," "Nazism," etc. at once!  But the Jewish masters do not have to answer to their goyim slaves.  Don't believe me?  Then in the below, replace all the words "Jew" with "Aryan" or "white" and tell me how it smacks:

Excerpted from Everyman's Talmud, by (Jewish Author)
Rev. Dr. Abraham Cohen, page xxxv (35):

History, which is largely a record of the melting of minorities in majorities, records no instance of the survival of a group not segregated in space or not protected by a burning faith as by a frontier of fire … If, then, the Jewish nation was to be preserved, it must be ringed round "by a burning faith as by a frontier of fire" …
 
...The Jew must have a religion which would not only continually distinguish him from the heathen, but would likewise be a constant reminder to him that he was a member of the Jewish race and faith. The Jew was to be demarcated from his neighbors not merely be a creed, but by a mode of living. His manner of worship would be different; his home would be different; even in the common acts of daily life there would be distinguishing features which would constantly recall his Jewishness.                                                                                                


     OK, so they want to preserve their religion, their uniqueness; that would be fine if they weren't trying to blend everyone else's together.  What are they doing to our Christian religion?  Are we Christians in the Western Nations allowed the same luxury?  No, we and our religion are the enemy to be diluted out of existence.  And if you complain about it, especially if you happen to be Caucasian, then you are automatically antiSemitic, a racist, a hatemonger, a Nazi, ad nauseam

     How far along they already are!

     Observe:

The International Jewish conspirators are using draconian so-called hate crimes laws to stifle any opposition to their global takeover bid
 

     Anyone in the know, who studies such matters, knows that the false-charge (antiSemitism) is used to control the people and to stifle any criticism and exposition of the International Jewish conspiracy.  AntiSemitism is a bogey, a carefully contrived and nurtured myth, a make-believe monster that has taken on a life of it's own.  Look around you in your own cities, do you see this so-called virulent AntiSemism?  antiSemitism??? They control and own us all!  Now it is gaining muscle in the once-Christian Western Nations by the commandeering of their own Governmental Law Enforcement agencies to execute enforcement activities against whistle-blowers.  In other words, "go quietly into captivity to us, or we will have you arrested for 'hating' us."  Today it is court and jail time, guess what happens to resistors during the Great Tribulation in the book of Revelation?

Rev 18:24
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.  KJV
 


This in, from our once-Christian neighbors across the sea:

Britons Now Face Extradition For "Thought Crime" Online
By Philip Johnston
Home Affairs Editor
The Telegraph - UK 2-18-3

British citizens will be extradited for what critics have called a "thought crime" under a new European arrest warrant, the Government has conceded.

Campaigners fear they could even face trial for broadcasting "xenophobic or racist" remarks - such as denying the Holocaust - on an internet chatroom in another country. ....
 

(But see Did Six Million Really Die?...The Truth)


This in, from our once-Christian shores:

     The full power of the United States Government is brought to bear as an enforcement arm for the International Jewish Conspirators.  It's tentacles of power reach beyond national boundaries.  This is very foreboding, it is the beginning of the Tribulation persecution apparatus.
 

Bill to create a State Department office to monitor
international antiSemitism passed the U.S. Congress

Says creation of new monitoring office shows 'favoritism' to Jews
October 12, 2004

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A bill to create a State Department office to monitor international anti-Semitism passed the U.S. Congress yesterday despite opposition from the State Department itself.

The Global Anti-Semitism Awareness/Review Act, a response to the recent surge in anti-Semitism worldwide, particularly in Europe, passed the House of Representatives five months after the bill was cleared by the Senate.

The Act mandates the creation of a new office at the State Department dedicated solely to monitoring and combating anti-Semitism, and for that office to file a report on anti-Semitic incidents around the world. The U.S. government also would be required to include information about anti-Semitic acts in its annual reports on human rights practices and international religious freedom. ....

(But see: The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976: The Hidden Tyranny and Behold the International Jew! )

 

     The so-called "hate crime & hate speech" legislation, which really amounts to nothing more than "thought-police" eradicating "thought-crimes," is only one front of their assault.  Below is another front (which is proving effective beyond their wildest dreams) in their bid to destroy God's ordered societies.  For now, not only can't you think what comes naturally to you by your own Holy Spirit instilled Christian conscience, now you can't even preach the truths of the Scriptures, you cannot share the Gospel with the lost, as Christ had commanded you to.  They, who believe not on God, have inserted themselves between you and your God and Savior, and you did noting; nothing!  You should be further seeing how men have sinned against God in letting stuff like this go so far.  The Tribulation shall refine by fire many of us.  God is not a little bit upset with us who should have known better.
 

The Homosexual Movement is being used by the International Jewish conspirators to destroy the Bible and Christianity, by outlawing them both
 


This in, from our once-Christian neighbors to the North:

Bible as hate speech
signed into law

Canadian measure said to 'chill' opposition to homosexual behavior
Posted: April 30, 2004
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Canada's governor general, the representative of Queen Elizabeth II, signed into law yesterday a controversial measure opposed by religious believers and free-speech advocates who say it will criminalize public expression against homosexual behavior.

The bill, passed 59-11 by the Senate on Wednesday, adds sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and hate-crimes legislation, which carries a penalty of up to five years in prison.

The House of Commons passed the bill in September, 141-110. ....
 

This in, from our once-Christian shores:

Christians jailed under hate crime laws for evangelizing Homosexuals
Philadelphia
Oct 10, 2004

...Police arrested 11 Christians last Sunday in Pennsylvania for exercising their First Amendment rights at a homosexual pride celebration. The six men and five women from Repent America were jailed and charged under hate crimes legislation after attempting to do evangelistic outreach at "Outfest," a homosexual event that was being held on the public streets and sidewalks of Philadelphia. ....

Repent America obeyed all laws, and even the unlawful requests, to move by the Philadelphia Civil Affairs police officers in an effort of cooperation. Regardless of Repent America’s compliance, Chief James Tiano, head of the Civil Affairs Unit, without warning, ordered the arrests of the Christians and hauled them off to jail, where they spent 21 hours, before being released the following day. Ten Christians were individually charged with three felonies and five misdemeanors, while a teenager with the group will as charged with a misdemeanor."

The days of our freedoms to publicly proclaim Scriptural truth about any issue is coming to an end. Right now, the issue is Homosexuality; the weapon of choice to use against Christians who proclaim God's eternal truth in this matter is "Hate Crime". But, soon, Christians and Christian organizations shall be hounded and put into jail for proclaiming any part of God's Word.

 


This in, from our once-Christian shores:

     San Francisco Federal Judge rules as a hate crime the "Truth in Love" ad campaign, sponsored by several Christian organizations, which proclaimed that homosexuals can change.

Judge: S.F. Had 'Duty' to Stop Ads
by Stuart Shepard, staff writer
June 27, 2000

 
The ads proclaimed hope for homosexuals, but a federal judge said San Francisco had a "duty" to call them hate speech. The city's Board of Supervisors even claimed the ads were partially responsible for the death of Matthew Shepard and hostility toward gays.

"Truth in Love" was an ad campaign, sponsored by several Christian organizations, that proclaimed homosexuals can change.

"The dream that I thought could never happen -- having a wife and kids -- has finally come true," said one of the ads. "If you're hurting, lonely or confused, Jesus can set you free."

The city of San Francisco concluded the ads contributed to "horrible crimes committed against gays and lesbians," and city officials asked local TV stations not to run them.

In response, pro-family groups -- the American Family Association, the Family Research Council and Kerusso Ministries -- filed a lawsuit in October 1999 to stop the Board of Supervisors from issuing similar resolutions in the future.  Earlier this month, however, a federal judge ruled the city was only doing its "duty" to address concerns for "public safety."

 "Nothing like this has ever happened in this country," said Brian Fahling, with the American Family Association's Center for Law and Policy. "This, really, is extraordinary and should give everybody great pause, because now we have a court decision -- a federal court decision -- that says governments can take official action condemning religious beliefs."

Added Yvette Schneider, with the Family Research Council: "There are people who are not happy with their homosexual lifestyles and need to hear that there is a way out."

Schneider called the San Francisco action symptomatic of a cultural shift in America that is "scary and threatening," especially, she said, "as Christians who believe what the Bible says -- that homosexuality is a sin . . . that people can leave any sinful lifestyle."

The groups plan to appeal the judge's ruling.

 

     So what has this to do with men's guilt in the destruction of the family?  Everything.  Men are responsible for allowing all of the above to occur.  Our women were destroyed, our children's hearts taken from us and from God, and good men did nothing.  They were too busy being afraid to have a Politically-Incorrect thought to have any time to be a man, a husband, a father, or a Christian.

     We men were weak, we failed everyone, not the least of all God.  Therefore, this crazy world that we lament over is our reward for our indecision, cowardice, indecency, and faithlessness.  Into captivity we shall go, our women shall be taken from us and ravaged by others, our children shall also be ripped from us.  Has it not already happened?  65% of married women admit to committing adultery at least once; children everywhere are being turned into godless New World order drones by the controlled core curriculum of every learning institution, Kindergarten through third level higher education; you have a better chance winning the lottery than you do finding a virgin at her wedding, yet in the Bible the terms "virgin" and "unmarried woman" were synonymous (the same). 

     Daily, on every International Jewish conspirator's controlled media outlet we are bombarded by subversive messages, subliminal suggestions from the social engineers who paint an ungodly masterpiece on the canvas of the human soul; wherein every sitcom has a "cool gay guy;" the unhip and 'party-pooper" always being a strait principled person.  And in these shows, movies, and music videos (all controlled by the elite Jews) where Atheism and miscegenation are foisted upon our daughters and sons: the "idiot" and "wimp" of the show is always the weakling strait white Christian male; the "coolest characters" are always sharp and witty well-built angry black men, or popular and savvy whorish women, to which the "idiot white guy" of the show is always subservient.  What kind of message does that send to your daughters?  Did you ever think about that?  Or is it too Politically-Incorrect for you to dare to ponder, huh, Christian man?  The sin of the male is mounting. 

     Have you ever asked yourself why this distortion of reality is constantly pounded into our heads by every International Jewish conspirator's controlled media outlet?  You aren't going to like the answer, but you should know it.  And what will you do when you see it?  Probably not a single thing, other than to yawn and roll over going back to sleep; sorry, didn't mean to wake you.  That is what you are best at: not making waves, not taking stands, not rocking the boat, not biting the hand of your master who absolutely is destroying you and everything that you hold dear: from your children and your wives to your God and your Savior Jesus Christ.  You never do anything; but they never stop marching against you; who do you think will win a one-sided battle such as this?  You know the answer to that one.  Below are your oppressors, your destroyers; listen to what they have been doing to you since the 1912 (and before), while you slept:
 

Interracial Marriages Pre-Planned by the International Jewish Elite
The below can also be found reproduced in
WHO IS ESAU-EDOM? By Charles A. Weisman; pgs. 109, 111-112.
 


The Jewish Author, Israel Cohen,
in 1912, writes in A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century:

We must realize that our party’s most powerful weapon is racial tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party.  In America we will aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes.  We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment.  With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause. Israel Cohen, A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912.  Also in the Congressional Record, Vol. 103, p. 8559, June 7, 1957.


 

Transcript of a speech by Rabbi Emanuel Rabinovich, which was delivered before the Emergency Council of European Rabbis in Budapest, Hungary, Jan. 12, 1952:

Greetings, my children.  You have been called here to recapitulate the principal steps of our new program...

The goal for which we have striven so concertedly for three thousand years is at last within our reach, and because its fulfillment is so apparent, it behooves us to increase our efforts and our caution tenfold . . . Within five years, this program will achieve its objective, the Third World War, which will surpass in destruction all previous contests.

This war will end for all time our struggle against the [white race]We will openly reveal our identity with the races of Asia and Africa.  I can state with assurance that the last generation of white children is now being born.  Our Control Commissions will, in the interests of peace and wiping out interracial tensions, forbid the whites to mate with whites.  The white women must cohabit with members of the dark races, and the white men with black women.  Thus the white race will disappear, for mixing the dark with the white will be the end of the white man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memoryWe [Jews] will embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the earth.  Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark peoples.  Mullins’ New Histoiy of the Jews, by Eustace Mullins, The International Institute of Jewish Studies, 1968, pp. 147-49.

[WBSG NOTE:  In the above, the Author refers to "white people," what he really means is true Israel, which is the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic and kindred peoples (now you know why International Jewry fomented two world wars to destroy Germany). 

The above Author knows what most people do not, he knows that so-called Jews are not Israel by blood (See the re-formation of Israel in the west.  Israel's migrations to "the appointed place." ); thus he determines that true Israel (which he refers to as "white people" must be destroyed for them (Jews) to take over.  For where the blood is, so is the birthright.  This is about so much more than simple trivial racism (racism, as commonly thought of, simply does not exist.  Look around you without the manipulation of the controlled media.  You cannot find racism so-called).

They are misleading the dark races into fighting their battles for them.  This is about birthright, not race.  And for those sorry Christians who think that birthright was done away with in Christ, read Revelation chapter seven, where we see true blood Israel being called out.  This is what the International Jews thought to destroy.]


 

Rabbi Abraham L. Feinberg stated in Canada in 1967:

If anything, the law should encourage, not forbid, the intermingling of bloods . . .  But legislation cannot change the human heart.  The only way we can accomplish that, the only way we can achieve a Final Solution to racial prejudice, is to create a mélange of races so universal that no one can preen himself on his racial "purity" or practice the barbarism to safeguard it.

The deliberate encouragement of interracial marriages is the only way to hasten this process.  And it may be that time is growing short.  The dominance of our world has begun to shift, like cargo in a listing vessel, from the white races to the colored.  The sooner we adjust to this fact, the better it will be for our children.  For we might well acknowledge, even the most enlightened of us, that we will never completely eliminate racial prejudice until we eliminate separate races! ― Rabbi Abraham L. Feinberg, Maclean's magazine (Canada), September 5, 1967.

[WBSG NOTE:  That is why your white daughter wants to marry a black Gangster-Rapper, not because she is drawn to him by nature, for nature itself drives her away from him; but because those who have controlled every input into her mind, from all manner of media expression, from her early childhood in front of the TV to her College diversity classes, have programmed her this way.  She is the result of a concerted generations-long disinformation campaign to destroy that which Jewry could never be--true blood Israel.

Is this a "racist" thing for me to say?  They will say that it is, for they remade the rules to suit their ends; but it is not racist; it is racial, yes, for we are speaking of the races, but it is not racist. 

Either way that you wish to see it, it is the truth.  They (the International Jews) have just told you as much in the above couple of quotes.  But you have been brainwashed just as surely as your children have; you will be there throwing rice.  I know that you cannot stand this truth, but that does not make it untrue, it just makes you bought and paid for, your offering on the altar of diversity and liberalism is your posterity.  Go your way, be content, for Christ died for all races who believe upon Him.]


     Now you know the real reason behind the Jewish founded social-engineering organizations like the NAACP (National Associating for the Advancement of Colored People) and the ADL (Jewish Anti-Defamation League).  Many understand that the ADL was Jewish founded and run, but few realize that the NAACP was also founded by Jews in 1909, and that the first three Presidents of the organization were Jewish (the third starting his presidency in 1965), after that, Black front-men, willing to betray their people, were placed in the visible President's position, but it has always been under Jewish control and behind-the-scenes funding and operating command. 

     What is my point?  Oh, I don't know, just the truth―do with the info what you will.  And for whatever you feel about interracial marriage, you should be concerned that your fate is being pre-programmed for you by a group of people that wish to destroy you.  Both whites and blacks have a stake in this, we are both but pawns for our slavemasters; they want to blend us to destroy us, they set us against each other so that they can control us both.  This upsets me.  You should now be beginning to understand why women were specifically targeted from the 1960's on with social deconstruction.

      In a previous question/answer I have laid out quite the case that women have corrupted themselves, for they most certainly have, but where did man go wrong?  He went wrong when he betrayed, disobeyed, and left God, Jesus Christ, and their Scriptures.  All who do so shall be visited during the coming Great Tribulation.  Sadly, that is most of these once-Christian western Nations.  God did it before to Israel, He shall do it again; into captivity we shall go.  But this time it will be unlike any other time for magnitude.  Antichrist shall rule this world for a time before the Second Advent.  And we coddled and feared today those who bring him to power.  Who among us men can claim total innocence?  None, no, not one of us.

Hos 4:14
14 I will not punish your daughters when they commit whoredom, nor your spouses when they commit adultery: for themselves are separated with whores, and they sacrifice with harlots: therefore the people that doth not understand shall fall.  KJV

2 Thess 2:1-4
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.  KJV

Deut 28:29-36
29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.
33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.  KJV

Dan 11:21-24
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
[There is your International Jewish conspirators, the Kenite.]
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.  KJV

 God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name!
Nick Goggin

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Question #8
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Was the first choice of a help meet for Adam, animals?

 

Glenn asks:

Dear Saints,
Reading GENESIS Chapter 2-Verses 18 to 20 does this mean Adams first choice for a help meet were animals?
 
Thank you Bro Glenn


Answer:

   I presume that you are asking if God had, at the first, imagined that Adam should marry a cow? 
 
    No, that is not at all what the Scripture implies.  In fact it declares that animals are not "help meets" for Adam: "...and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."
 
    The below Scripture speaks of two separate subjects, and it simply lists, in order, the events in the Garden. 
First was Adam, he was alone.
Then God made DOMESTIC animals, but Adam was still alone.
Then God made Eve for Adam and it was all downhill for him from there.
    Just kidding.
 
    Eve was the help meet for Adam, the animals were made for Adam to use, but they were not companions to him, though he had the dominion over them.
 
    Eve was the last "thing" formed and made by God in the Garden.  It was necessary, for chronology's sake, to mention the animals before closing the creation narrative.  It would have been inaccurate to mention the animals after mentioning Eve, because they came before her.  It would have been inaccurate to mention the animals before Adam, because he came before them.  The only logical place to mention them is in-between Adam and Eve.  Adam was formed, but he was never meant to be alone, thus Adam was to have a help (companion) meet (adequate) for him.  The animals in the Garden were not a failed attempt on God's part to find a help meet for Adam.  God knew exactly what Adam needed.   
 
    The placement of the statements about the "help meet" that was lacking, and which was to come, simply declares God's intention that Adam was to have a mate.  You notice that the "help meet" was mentioned both before the animals and after the animals indicating that the animals were never the intended "help meet."  Or else God erred, which of course is a ridiculous premise.
 
    The confuse arises because God had to fit the animals into the creation order after Adam, but before Eve.  The Scripture is saying the animals were not the help meet to come.
 
    Consider the offset verses as parenthetical (one subject placed in the middle of another subject). 
Gen 2:18-23
18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.  KJV
 
 
    I agree that the way that this is worded in the English from the Hebrew can seem confusing, but remember that often times what is clear and concise in one language looses some clarity when it is transferred into another language.
 
    I assure you that God was on top of the events in the Garden, and that He did not supposed to mate Adam with a cow or a sparrow before He 'realized that this wouldn't work.' 

    In Leviticus 18 and 20 we see that interspecies sexual activity (bestiality) is forbidden.

 
God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name!
Nick Goggin

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Question #9
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Are Gay people born that way―did God create them Gay?  Help offered.

 

     A reader wrote the below regarding a prior question/answer article titled: The Word of God from the Bible on Homosexuality, Lesbianism, and Bisexuality.  Below is her response/objection to the article.  Her letter shall be in purple text, our comments and replies in normal [bracketed black text].

The reader writes:

First I would like to tell you that I love your site and have enjoyed it for the last couple of years  [Thank you.] and I'm also a long time Shepherd's Chapel student [The Shepherd's Chapel] . I just got through reading your response to the gay man that wrote in who mentioned he was having a real battle and had even thought about suicide. I thought your response was a bit cold but when I got to the part where you said "demon possessed" my jaw about hit the floor [Why would you be so shocked at the premise that homosexuality is in the spiritual realm?].

 

 
 

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I know with the militant homosexual community pushing their agenda in our face daily it is hard not to get angry, but what I find with most people in the ministry, and church people in general, is that most do not personally know someone who is gay [I do.], however they always seem to be experts on the issue of human sexuality [I do not think that I am an expert on the matter.]

What God's Word deals with are actions, and that is all [OK.].  My brother, who is a lot older than me, is 54 years old, and has been a gay man all of his life; however he decided many years ago to turn his back on the gay lifestyle and devote it to the Lord. He has been a Shepherd's Chapel student also for about the last 8 years. When I say he gave up the gay lifestyle what I mean is he lives a celibate life and does not engage in any sexual activity at all, this does not mean that he decided one day he would start being attracted to women instead of men. He is still the same person he was, i.e. he is still attracted to the same sex [Nothing spiritual about that, huh?], except he does not commit the sin [Following you so far, he is a gay man who isn't having gay sex.].

He asked God many years ago to deliver him from this, for whatever reason God did not see fit to do so [Don't be so quick to place the blame on God, you don't know the whole story.], but he does not use this as an excuse to break God's law.  My brother is a man of the utmost character and I have absolutely no reason to doubt his honesty, nor does he have any reason to lie to me when he tells me that he was attracted to the same sex from the time he was old enough to know what sexual attraction was. This does not take the responsibility off the individual for their sin at all. Sin is sin, and God's Word says that for a man to lie with a man is sin, an abomination even. I am so sick of hearing people say that God does not make people gay [He doesn't make them gay, any more than He makes them Pedophiles (sex with children), Kleptomaniacs (compulsive thieves), or Sadomasochistic's (Domination/Submission).]. This would insinuate that God does make people blind, deaf, deformed, or retarded. People are born in this state every day, and none of these states are acceptable excuses for sin [Being 'blind, deaf, deformed, or retarded' are not a sin.], but the bottom line is they are born how they are born [That's why so many gays leave families behind and get divorced to explore their "new found homosexuality?"  I would dare to say that many gays once lived a normal heterosexual lifestyle.  Also, most every gay that I have had be honest with me, indicated that they endured some form of abuse in the early years.], and all of the saying they are not born that way will not make it true [I could say that it is vice-versa.  Listen, babies are not born with sexual preferences, they are formed as the child matures.  There is no such thing as the mythical "gay gene;" this evidenced by the fact that, in identical twins, who possess the exact same DNA, you find instances where one is "gay" and the other strait.  That blows the Gay gene thing out of the water.  The answer lies elsewhere, it is not genetic]

Sexual desire for one sex or the other is something that is formed in the brain probably at an early age [So then you are saying that they are not born that way?].

 
Once it is set, there is no going the other way
[That just isn't true, see Exodus International ex-gay ministries icon at right (we include two testimonials at the end of this article).] unless it is somewhere in between, which would make the person by-sexual [You are falling for the lies.  And regarding bisexuals, they can't even claim that the homosexual aspect of their preference "is born into them," they just enjoy pleasures more than they enjoy God, they are hedonistic.]. Here is where you have all of your cases of people getting "delivered from homosexuality" [Jesus Christ can and does deliver believers from all manner of sin.  In your quest to exonerate your brother's perversion, you are charging both God and Christ with impotence.  Be careful, little lady.]. If you doubt what I'm saying just try to imagine if you could giving another man a big ole kiss. Turns your stomach just to think about it, doesn't it? Of course it does [So too does the thought of kissing a bullfrog, what is your point?], there is no choice there at all, the only choice to be made is to obey God or not. And no, I am not saying that homosexuality is normal, it is not normal or natural, but it is also not the choice of the individual [The choice is in staying there, as it is with all sin.], and to say that it is, makes one look foolish to the person who is living it and knows better [Coddling them, and enabling them to make excuses does not help them to change.].

 

 
 

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It also drives that person away from the Lord. What the Church should do is offer the person all the support they can to live by God's law. They should be letting the person know that they realize what they are going through is not their fault, but that God's Word still must be obeyed, this a lot of gay people could accept [So would a lot of Pedophiles.]. But when Christians tell them in ignorance that it is their choice and their fault, they drive them away, and they will have to answer to God one day for those people's souls [No, people who encourage the Gay to remain in their condition by telling them that first: "God did it to them;" then second: "God wasn't able to deliver them;" those are the people who shall answer to God.  No tough-love folks like myself.].

My brother is making a bigger sacrifice for the Lord than many straight people [By obeying God?]. He lives alone, and will never enjoy the companionship of a mate [He need not be trapped in that prison, Jesus Christ can set him free.], however he is fine with this because he read many years ago that God said "His love was sufficient" [No, he does not believe that it is Ok to live and die without human compassion and companionship, he is just resolved to it, as though it were his fate.  He has just been mislead (as have you) by the powerful Jewish Gay/Lesbian lobby that he is helpless and that God forsook him.  Nothing could be further from the truth.]. I truly believe my brother to be one of God's elect, because he definitely has eyes to see and ears to hear. He recognized and received the truth the instant it was shared with him [Then he needs to believe God, he needs to trust in Christ Jesus, he needs to be set free.  It is not our Lord that has imprisoned your brother, it is spiritual forces from the other side of the abyss that have him in chains.].

One last bit of evidence for you. My fiancé's younger brother is

 also a gay man [There's allot of that going around lately as we move closer to the arrival of satan.  This is a spiritual war, not a lifestyle choice.]. Unfortunately he is still living that lifestyle, however when he was about 7 years old (to young to know anything of sexuality) all of the other children in his class where standing up telling all of the parents what they wanted to be when they grew up. Most where saying things like policeman, fireman, etc. Edward stands up and says Smurfete [Children do strange things, you are reading into the matter that which you wish to be true―that your brother is a victim of God, not a sinner against God.  Sorry, that doesn't work.]. Explain that one for me. Yes, there is obviously something that goes wrong pretty early on, or it may be there from birth, no one knows [as you read the below two testimonials and the dozens of other ones that I supply a link to, you will notice a pattern developing regarding incest, sexual abuse, fatherless homes, etc.  You cannot out-of-hand disregard that possibility, you cannot call all those people liars in their testimonials.]. But it is definitely not a choice [Then why did God call it wickedness and kill them in Sodom & Gomorrah?  Was God just getting His kicks?  Bored in Heaven that day?  Make them sinners then kill them for sinning?]. Not an excuse for sin, but not a choice. I hope this has given you a little insight from someone who has some firsthand experience [Firsthand

 

 

 

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knowledge, you?  No, you have been deceived by a very powerful and evil lobby.  Below are true FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCES.; these are ex-Gay people that are being arrested nowadays for evangelizing Gays and Lesbians (a new hate-crime) because the International Jews don't like to let their slaves go.  Read on.]

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     Allow me to close this with two testimonials; one from a former Lesbian woman, and one from a former Homosexual man.  The former is dating members of the opposite sex, and the latter is now married to a member of the opposite sex.  These are real success stories that could help your brother.  Babying him is of no help to him.  As long as he harbors these strong desires for gay sex, it is only a matter of time before he slips and gives into the temptation.  You know that.  Both of the below testimonials are from the Christian Ministry, Exodus International.  Peace to you, and blessings in your brother's spiritual recovery. 


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The Seeds That Grew
Melissa Fryrear

I am the second and last child my parents adopted, in 1966. I grew up in an upper middle-class subdivision in the east end of Louisville attending church. Trinity Presbyterian was less than two miles from our house. I was dedicated there as a baby, went to Vacation Bible School in the summers, played the hand bells in the children’s choir, and took my first communion when I was twelve. Although I had attended church all of my life, I had not yet accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. Church seemed like something we did because “it was the right thing to do.” Looking back, I remember hearing dozens of stories about Jesus, but I never recall hearing a message about salvation. I did not know I was a sinner in need of a Savior. 

When I was thirteen, I remember sitting in the sanctuary with my parents one Sunday morning waiting for the service to begin. I picked up a Bible and began to flip through the pages at random. I stopped in the book of Leviticus and my eyes fell upon a scripture in the eighteenth chapter: “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” After I read that verse, I froze and everything around me stopped. My eyes darted to the beginning of the verse and I read it again. Without looking around, without saying a word to anyone, I closed that Bible, returned it to the pew in front of me, and said “No” to God. When I read that verse, the words after the semicolon read “Melissa is detestable.”

I had known for a number of years that something seemed “different” about me. Many gays and lesbians believe they were born homosexual. This is what I believed because I had always felt that way. As early as age seven, I was aware of being drawn to other girls. This was a seed that began to take root in the soul of my heart. As my adolescent years continued to unfold, it only became increasingly obvious to me that I was not like the other girls. My mind was filled with an endless barrage of tormenting questions: “What is wrong with me?” “Why don’t I act like the other girls act?” “Why don’t I seem to like boys?” “Why do I hate being a girl?” In an attempt to answer those screaming questions, I opened a dictionary one day and read the definitions to words like homosexual, lesbian, and gay. And the seed sprouted.

I was sixteen when I first became involved in a lesbian relationship. That marked the beginning of the next 10 years of my life. Unable, unaware, and unwilling to resist the draw and temptation any longer, I embraced my lesbian identity. When I left home at the age of eighteen to attend college at the University of Kentucky, I immersed myself in the gay community. Everything in my world revolved around being gay. My only goals in life were to have a good time, to make a great deal of money, and without overusing a cliché, to find “the girl of my dreams.” And the seed flourished.

The years continued to unfold. I was on my way to achieving my goals: I was having some really good times; I was making $40,000 by my mid-twenties; I was involved with a woman. However, something was stirring within me.

In 1988 I began working for an in-house advertising agency in Lexington. One of my co-workers, Bill Martinez, was a Christian. He was always kind, respectful, and caring.

One Saturday night, unexpectedly, I asked my partner if she wanted to go to church the next morning. We were so emotionally enmeshed with one another that I think if I had suggested jumping off a bridge, she would have agreed. We looked in the phone book and found Versailles Presbyterian Church. It was a small congregation of predominantly older couples, so when my partner and I showed up, it was obvious.

I became involved in the church immediately: I went to Wednesday night potlucks and an adult Sunday school class; I even joined the adult handbell choir. A couple in their seventies, Doris and L.J., took us under their wings.

L.J., Doris and Bill knew the life I was living. They were discerning people, and, of course, I looked the part. They met me where I was, accepted me with grace, loved me unconditionally and prayed for me fervently. It was through relationship with them that I was led to make the most important decision of my life. One day in February of ’91, I said quietly in my heart, “Jesus, I need You. I receive You. Please, please, please come and be the Savior of my soul and the Lord of my life.” And He did. And a new seed was planted!

When my partner gave me my first Bible I discovered there were a number of scriptures that addressed homosexuality: Leviticus 20:13, Deuteronomy 23:18, Romans 1:27 and 1 Corinthians 6:9. This is when the wrestling ensued.

For months I went around and around with the Lord. I didn’t understand. I argued with Him, begged Him, ignored Him, hurt Him and fled from Him. One night with clinched fists and tears streaming down my face, I yelled at Him, “If it is so wrong, if it is an abomination, why did You let me go down that road? Why didn’t You stop me? Why?” Silence.

The Bible says the Word of God is “living and active.” That it’s “sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.” Isaiah 55:11 also says that God’s word will not return empty, but it will accomplish what God desires and achieve the purposes for which He sends it. Over the next months, the Holy Spirit continued to work God’s truth in my heart until I ultimately came to the point where I knew that I knew what I was doing was wrong. Even in my confusion, even in my anger, even in my rebellion, God showered me with His kindness, which led to repentance. In October ’92, by His grace, I repented of my years of sexual sin. And the new seed sprouted.

I heard about Exodus as I was getting ready for church one morning on “The Coral Ridge Hour,” produced by Dr. James Kennedy’s ministry. I had never heard of Exodus before. I listened as men and women shared their testimonies of change. I watched in utter amazement. I had no idea there was anyone else who had made the decision to walk away from homosexuality, much less to say that they had changed.

I called Exodus first thing Monday morning and received a packet from them by the end of the week. I ripped into that packet as if it were Christmas morning. Enclosed was a state-by-state alphabetical listing of referral ministries. I scanned the list as quickly as I could, and in bold letters I read: “CrossOver Ministries, Lexington, Kentucky.” I broke down and wept. As excited as I was to receive that material, though, I was more afraid. For three months that information sat in the top drawer of the desk in my home office. Eventually, because of God’s wooing grace, I called CrossOver. The next week, I met with the ministry’s director.

As a participant of CrossOver, I immediately involved myself in the support groups, one-on-one counseling, reading literature and resources and attending conferences. I began to learn the various factors that contributed to my same-gender attractions: my perceived rejection of my biological mother and father, my perception that my adoptive mother was distant and stoic and that my adoptive father was emotionally absent, sexual molestation, sexual experimentation, with both sexes, during my preteen years, understanding the schemes of the devil, and dozens and dozens of lies I believed about everything. I began to take responsibility for my own sinful beliefs, choices, and behaviors. Most importantly, though, I began to learn about the Holy Trinity and to form a relationship with each Person.

During my years of restoration, I also began to learn about this thing called womanhood. Goodness! Who knew there was so much to learn: plucking eyebrows, hair bleaches, hair waxings, facial mud masks, eye lash curlers, manicures, pedicures, push-up bras, tummy tuckers, rear-end boosters, last year’s colors, and next year’s fashions?

I also began to learn about boys. Let me say that if anyone thinks puberty is tough at fifteen, try it in your thirties!

And the seed flowered. 

Additional Information:
Melissa Fryrear is the Gender Issues Analyst at Focus on the Family in Colorado Springs, Colorado as well as the Eastern Great Lakes Basin Exodus Regional Representative.  She is the former director of CrossOver Ministries in Lexington, Kentucky.

 

Just a "Good Christian Boy"
By Jeff Johnston

Every August, from the time I was eight years old through high school, I would pack a suitcase, get on a bus loaded with 20 or 30 other kids, and drive from San Diego through the California high desert to the San Bernardino Mountains. 

Our church camp was near a lake surrounded by tall pines and oaks, and we would go up for a week of swimming, hiking, volleyball, crafts, archery and fishing. Each year I invited Jesus into my heart again--just to make sure. I had already accepted Him as my Savior when I was five years old. But you never knew, maybe I hadn’t really meant it the first time. So I prayed the prayer of salvation again, just to ease the nagging doubts. 

At camp, I heard dramatic stories about recent conversions from sins like drinking, smoking, cussing, shoplifting or listening to bad music. I remember feeling a bit cheated, wishing that I had a testimony of a huge turnaround from sin to Jesus. Growing up in a fundamentalist church hadn’t given me too many opportunities to indulge in illicit behaviors. 

Being Good
As I grew up, I worked hard at being good. Life revolved mostly around church and school, and I kept busy at both. My family spent hours each week in church-related activities: worship service, Sunday school, the evening Gospel service, midweek prayer meetings, conferences, and Bible studies. Our church emphasized obedience and the Word, so I worked to master both. I knew little about experiencing God or knowing His grace. 

In elementary school I was shy and withdrawn, and I escaped through the world of reading. I devoured books, reading whenever I could. In junior high and high school I began to come out of my shell, holding offices in student government and competing with the speech and debate teams. While I managed to look pretty good on the outside, I began struggling on the inside with some heavy issues. Despite the circle of people around me at church and school, I had always felt lonely and isolated. I was sick a lot as a child, and always small for my age, so I felt inept at sports and separate from a lot of other boys. 

Pornography and Shame
In junior high I discovered pornography and masturbation, and become compulsive about both. I felt shame and guilt, afraid that someone would find out what I was doing. I became even more disturbed when my fascination with pornography began to shift from women to men. 

I kept up the outer image of the good Christian boy for years, even as the struggle with sexual addiction and homosexual attraction increased. I graduated from high school and went to college, working as a camp counselor at our church camp during the summer and helping to lead our college-age Bible study. In my early 20s, I worked with a high school youth group at a church for a year, and then went to a missionary training school for a year of preparation before going to Melbourne, Australia, for two years with a mission team. 

By this time I had begun developing deeper relationships with a few people, and had even shared my struggle with a man and a woman. They really didn't know how to advise me about my same-sex attractions. I figured if I kept praying real hard it might just go away, or maybe I would grow out of it. 

I began hunting for Christian books about homosexuality, but in the early '80s there were few books addressing the issue. I worked harder at obedience, but struggled more and more with my internal desires. 

Finding Hope
In January 1986, when I really felt at the end of myself, I found some hope. I was finishing my BA degree and working part-time as a youth intern with a Baptist church. The youth pastor invited me to a conference called "Hope and Healing for the Homosexual." 

At first, I felt fearful; how did he know I struggled with homosexuality? Later, he told me that a man had sexually molested one of the boys in our high school group. The pastor simply wanted to understand more about homosexuality and molestation. 

I attended the conference with great anxiety. But there, for the first time, I heard some of the reasons why I had homosexual feelings. I learned that gay men are often emotionally disconnected from their fathers and from other boys while growing up. Sometimes the longings for identification with men and the resulting relationships are sexualized. Often this is because an individual has been molested or exposed to sex at an early age, as I had been. 

Fellowship with Other Strugglers
After the conference I started seeing a counselor, began attending a Homosexuals Anonymous group and found some helpful books. It was a relief to find other Christians with some of the same issues. I had kept this part of my life hidden for years, but slowly I began talking to friends and family about my struggle. Where I feared rejection, I usually found compassion and concern. 

Oddly enough, it was after I had been working on recovery for about 18 months that I got involved in my first adult homosexual relationship. I had fought these feelings for so long, but up to that point I had never acted out with another man. The closest I came was "approach/avoidance" games, where I would let a man come on to me, but then back off before anything happened. I was tired of fighting my same-sex attractions, and I finally gave in to them. 

But this only brought more stress and anxiety. Again, I found myself living a double life, hiding the relationship from friends and family. I would go to church most Sundays, but hang out at gay bars and clubs during the week. My stomach was all tied up in knots; I felt like someone had kicked me in the stomach. I kept thinking: Why am I doing this when I know so much about homosexuality? 

After about a year of this turmoil, I'd had enough. I knew I needed to return to relationship with Jesus and cut off the homosexual relationships. I went to the Exodus conference in 1988, where I received prayer and support for my decision. I returned to counseling. Most importantly, I decided that if homosexuality was really a desire for same-sex intimacy, then I would pursue healthy, nonsexual male relationships. 

A New Commitment
I was pretty hurt, lonely and wounded, but I committed myself to a church with a large singles ministry. There, I developed a number of healing relationships. One man discipled me. I met with two other men weekly for friendship and accountability. 

I moved in with several roommates; all of them knew about my struggle, but they accepted me into their lives. I found great healing in those relationships, healing for the deep loneliness I had felt, and healing for my fragile masculine identity. 

In July 1990 I started leading the home group where I had been a member for two years. Our group always had visitors, and my first night leading the group, a young woman walked in. I noticed how cute she looked, but I was thinking more about the discussion topic than anything else. 

Judy stayed in our home group, even though she said she had every intention of visiting other groups. Six months later we were dating, and a few months later I told her my story. Her first response was to go to a conference in order to understand more about homosexuality. At that conference she decided that she couldn't focus on my struggle, that she could only focus on her own relationship with God and her own spiritual growth. 

Moving into Ministry
I had long felt God moving me into ministry of some sort, and in January 1992, I started an ex-gay support group through a local ministry in San Diego called Alternatives. I began sharing with others what I was learning of God's healing. Slowly my relationship with Judy developed. The next year I took over as the director of the ministry, worked as an intern at church, went to seminary, and married Judy--what a year! Then, after several more years, Judy and I moved to Maryland when I was hired as director of Regeneration, an Exodus ministry in Baltimore. 

We are excited to see how God has provided and to see the new opportunities opening up for us. Now I look back on the irony of my wish for a "testimony" to share. Coming out of homosexuality and sexual addiction was not what I had in mind. But I know that my story, and stories of many like me, can bring hope to those struggling with any life-dominating sin. 



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Jeff Johnston is an Exodus board member and director of Regeneration in Baltimore. 


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But satan is always on the attack
 

     San Francisco Federal Judge rules as a hate crime the "Truth in Love" ad campaign, sponsored by several Christian organizations, which proclaimed that homosexuals can change.

Judge: S.F. Had 'Duty' to Stop Ads
by Stuart Shepard, staff writer
June 27, 2000

 
The ads proclaimed hope for homosexuals, but a federal judge said San Francisco had a "duty" to call them hate speech. The city's Board of Supervisors even claimed the ads were partially responsible for the death of Matthew Shepard and hostility toward gays.

"Truth in Love" was an ad campaign, sponsored by several Christian organizations, that proclaimed homosexuals can change.

"The dream that I thought could never happen -- having a wife and kids -- has finally come true," said one of the ads. "If you're hurting, lonely or confused, Jesus can set you free."

The city of San Francisco concluded the ads contributed to "horrible crimes committed against gays and lesbians," and city officials asked local TV stations not to run them.

In response, pro-family groups -- the American Family Association, the Family Research Council and Kerusso Ministries -- filed a lawsuit in October 1999 to stop the Board of Supervisors from issuing similar resolutions in the future.  Earlier this month, however, a federal judge ruled the city was only doing its "duty" to address concerns for "public safety."

 "Nothing like this has ever happened in this country," said Brian Fahling, with the American Family Association's Center for Law and Policy. "This, really, is extraordinary and should give everybody great pause, because now we have a court decision -- a federal court decision -- that says governments can take official action condemning religious beliefs."

Added Yvette Schneider, with the Family Research Council: "There are people who are not happy with their homosexual lifestyles and need to hear that there is a way out."

Schneider called the San Francisco action symptomatic of a cultural shift in America that is "scary and threatening," especially, she said, "as Christians who believe what the Bible says -- that homosexuality is a sin . . . that people can leave any sinful lifestyle."

The groups plan to appeal the judge's ruling.

 

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