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QUESTION LIST #13:

1. Who's the 'prince' and who's the 'king' of Tyrus in Ezek 28?

2. Racism - Is the teaching of the Biblical 6th and 8th day creations, racist?

3. When was the word 'Jew' first used in the Bible versions; are modern day so-called Jews the 'chosen of God' in the Bible?  

4. Is Gen 1:27 and Gen 2:7 describing the same event? Differences shown

5. Noah's Flood not global, nor does the Bible say it was: proofs

6. 'Young Earth' disproven. Should Christians be afraid of Science? The Bible isn't! 

7. Purposely abstaining from Medical treatment of serious treatable illness: Faith, or testing God?

8. Who were the others crucified with Christ?

9. The so-called "Bema Seat" and the Great White Throne "Judgment Day of Rev 20:11-15" - Are there two Judgment Days?

10. Why did The Mercy Seat need to be protected and guarded in Ezekiel 28:14?

11. About the 'Word-faith' Movement

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Question #11
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About the 'Word-faith' Movement

DAVID WRITES:

First of all I just want to say that I enjoy using your site to help me in my study and I pray that God will continue to bless your ministry on the net to help others to know and understand the truth of the scriptures. My question is what is your viewpoint on the the word faith movement and the many, ever so popular, teachers of this polluted gospel that are just as big as movie or sports celebrities. There are many here in the xxxxxxx area. I used to belong to one of the biggest churches with a well know and popular pastor whom I feel has an anointing and has been called to teach the gospel, but as I have grown in my walk so has my desire for truth of the word. As my eyes became more open I felt a strong discernment to leave and find a church that was telling it like it is and not just trying to compromise and tell people what they want to hear, but instead should tell them what they need to hear. I realize we will not always agree with every little thing that is taught but when it is just out right obvious, that is another thing. I have family and friends who are blindly supporting the ministries of these false teachers (because they teach in error, knowingly or unknowingly). Should I be trying to do anything or just continue to pray and let God do what God can only do, open their eyes? Look forward for any insight you may have, meanwhile I will continue to seek, search, study, and
pray. God keep you and strengthen you.

Soldier of Christ,
David

ANSWER:

Hi David:

Sorry to take so long getting back to you.  Yes, the Word-faith Movement is evil!  It is such a perversion of the Gospel one can only suspect demonic influences.

    We are currently preparing a Bible study on the Holy Spirit and the Trinity (Godhead), it contains a lot of information on the flawed doctrine of the Word-Faith Movements and their gross misunderstanding of the Holy Spirit.  Perhaps you can witness with some of the info.  It should ready within the week, watch for it in the "What's New" section of our Home page.

    As far as whether you should witness the truth to them?  You asked: "Should I be trying to do anything or just continue to pray and let God do what God can only do, open their eyes?"  My humble answer would be to do both.  In other words, pray to the Father to guide you on the matter, and if it be His will, to give you the words and info that will get through to some of them.  But you must do your homework, the Lord will teach you if you try.  And you cannot hope to correct someone on something that they have come to believe if you don't a good working knowledge of the Bible (though I do not say that you do not, I speak generally).  Perhaps above all, be patient and follow the lead of the Lord, rather than to try to lead Him.  But then again, that doesn't mean be lazy.  Trust Him, He will show you.  

    As you know, in most cases they will not hear you.  They have been conditioned to believe that one such as yourself who 'denies' the power and signs of their 'spirit' is a backslider.  They do not realize that the spirit that makes them babble incoherently in demonic languages (Talking in tongues) is not of God.  They do not understand that God doesn't throw people across the room or knock them down and temporarily paralyze them (Slain in the spirit).  They don't understand that God does not have them to make animal noises and convulse on the floor drooling (Toronto Blessing, and Brownsville Experience).  God does not cause them to burst out into violent uncontrollable laughter (Holy laughter).  A sound Christian can only look in great wonder at what could cause good church folk to be seduced into this behavior and actually attribute it to God.  Satan is doing this.

    They for the most part will tell you that you aren't 'right' with God and that is why you aren't, as they say, "filled with the Spirit."

    But ask God to lead you.  It may be that there is someone that He wants you to reach out to on His behalf.  If that is the case then He will help you.  But if you barge into the church and tell the entire congregation the spirit in their church is not the Holy Spirit, but rather that it is an evil spirit, they will stop their ears and run you out on a rail.  In other words, if you are going to witness to one of them it will have to be on a one-on-one basis, and that person pretty much is going to have to trust you.  For, basically, you will be telling them something that goes against all they know, and more than know, but what they feel.  For they really do feel this power, and it is real, but it is evil.

    Feel free to follow-up, and may our Lord lead, guide, direct and strengthen you.  He will.

Peace.

Nick

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Question #10
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Why did The Mercy Seat need to be protected and guarded in Ezekiel 28:14?

Bonnie Writes:

Dear Nick, I have been reading your study on "The Antichrist" and I have a question. Why did The Mercy Seat need to be protected and guarded in Ezekiel 28:14? Were there others besides satan, and is it still being protected now? Thank you for your answer and your wonderful web site, I continue learning from it and greatly appreciate The Truth being taught. God Bless, Bonnie

Answer:

Hello:

    The Mercy Seat needed to be guarded because of the angels (the evil angels, not the God's good Angels). There was a revolt in the first earth age (in Heaven) and there was a siege attempt upon the throne of God.  Satan massed one-third of all souls created to attempt a takeover in Heaven.  Satan desired to take the Kingdom and become the god of it, presumably destroying God in the process.

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. (KJV)

    Of course this failed. And it is written that satan shall once again desire the Kingdom, but this time he is limited to the temporal realm of flesh. He shall accomplish becoming the ‘god of this world’ for one ‘hour’ (5 months, probably) in the end-times, then Messiah Jesus Christ returns at His Second Advent and cleanses the earth and all in it.

II Th 2:1-4
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (KJV)

    The reason that this can happen is because God desires TRUE love, and for there to be TRUE unforced love FOR Him, the people (souls, entities) must have free will. With free will comes the possibility of rejection and revolt. Thus, God must protect the very throne. And it is well protected by the four ‘beasts’ (Zoon, Zoy) who cannot be deceived, and who cannot betray God, for they have not free will. They are servants to God without their own wills. They are a most formidable creature! They occupy a place closer to the seat of God than even the mighty Archangels (Michael...). They cannot be overcome by any means.

Here are the Zoon (although the definitions leave much to be desired):

Rev 19:4
4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. (KJV)

beasts: Greek word #2226 zoon (dzo'-on); neuter of a derivative of 2198; a live thing, i.e. an animal: KJV-- beast.

#2198 zao (dzah'-o); a primary verb; to live (literally or figuratively): KJV-- life (-time), (a-) live (-ly), quick.

This is them in the Hebrew Old Testament Text:

Ezek 1:5
5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. (KJV)

living creatures: Hebrew word #2416 chay (khah'-ee); from 2421; alive; hence, raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively: KJV-- + age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life (-time), live (-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, + merry, multitude, + (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.

And a short article:

BEAST 

1. zoon ^2226^ primarily denotes "a living being" (zoe, "life"). The Eng., "animal," is the equivalent, stressing the fact of life as the characteristic feature. In <Heb. 13:11> the KJV and the RV translate it "beasts" ("animals" would be quite suitable). In <2 Pet. 2:12> and <Jude 10>, the KJV has "beasts," the RV "creatures." In the Apocalypse, where the word is found some 20 times, and always of those beings which stand before the throne of God, who give glory and honor and thanks to Him, <4:6>, and act in perfect harmony with His counsels, <5:14; 6:1-7>, e. g., the word "beasts" is most unsuitable; the RV, "living creatures," should always be used; it gives to zoon its appropriate significance. See CREATURE. -- (from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words) (Copyright (C) 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

    As regarding the other Angel that guarded the mercy seat with Lucifer (before his fall), it was probably Archangel Michael (but it is not written), for it is Michael that binds satan now (Jude 1:9, Rev 12:7-9). As to whether this Mercy seat is still guarded? Well yes, for when God gave Moses the pattern for the Ark of the Covenant, He instructed that two Cherubim be set on top of it, one on either side of the Mercy Seat. They are no doubt two other of God’s mighty Angels as Michael is quite occupied with satan’s incarceration. God has many Angels, Archangel Michael being Chief!

Jude 1:9
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.  (KJV)

Rev 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  (KJV)

    So, God is all wise indeed. Satan shall have his hour and perish for it, mankind will make their free will choice and live and die by it, and the eternal Kingdom of Heaven shall reign forever without any evil, for all evil shall perish in the Lake of Fire (Rev 20:14-15; 21:1-8 etc.).

God bless!

Nick

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Question #9
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"Bema Seat" and the "Judgment Day of Rev 20:11-15" - are there two Judgments?

Hello, I am at variance with the notion of any so-called "Bema Seat Judgment Day."  This is the name given by Rapturists for how Jesus determines whom to take in the imaginary Rapture scheme.  It is our (WBSG)  contention that the concept of any such second Judgment Day is also in variance with the Scriptures.

Now I know that the notion of a "Bema Seat" Judgment is necessary for the concept of a Rapture, for how does Jesus decide who gets Raptured and who gets "Left Behind?" (Oh how I hate that phrase (Left Behind), for our Lord said that He shall never leave us nor forsake us.)

May I state for the record that we ay WBSG do not believe that there is a Rapture written in God’s Word, and that we know that many of our Christian brethren do believe in the so-called Rapture of the Church.  But that is perhaps another topic for another thread.  I contend that any so-called ‘Rapture Scriptures’ are simply misinterpreted Second Advent Scriptures.  That being said, may I proceed in this manner:

Are there two Judgment Days???

Wouldn’t a Bema Seat judgment constitute a second chance for those who were measured and found wanting in that Judgment?

In reality, it is actually a 'Judgment' that has to happen if it is determined that SOME are judged at the Bema Judgment, and some later on at the Judgment Day of the end.  In other words, for there to be those Judged to righteousness in a "Bema Seat" Judgment, and some reserved for damnation in the "Judgment Day" of Rev 20:11-15, there would necessarily have to have been some kind of Judgment made to decide who goes to which Judgment.

So in essence, for there to be a "Bema Seat" Judgment, there actually has to be THREE Judgments!  One to determine who goes to "Bema" and who goes to "Final" Judgment, then, each of those two individual Judgment days.  This seems ‘forced’ and unnatural to the Scriptures.  How much easier do the Scriptures align with ONE Judgment Day for ALL at the end of the age?

I can find no illustration in the Scriptures of Two separate Judgment days.  Every Scripture that refers to the Judgment is in the singular, only ONE event. Observe:

Only one Judgment Day found in Scripture!

Heb 9:27
27 and as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (kjv)

2 Pet 3:7
7 but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (Kjv)

Matt 12:36
36 but I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. (Kjv)

Matt 10:15
15 verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of sodom and gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. (Kjv)

Matt 11:22
22 but I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for tyre and sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. (Kjv)

Matt 11:24
24 but I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable for the land of sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. (Kjv)

Mark 6:11
11 and whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for sodom and gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. (Kjv)

2 Pet 2:9
9 the Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: (kjv)

I Jn 4:16-17
16 and we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
17 herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. (Kjv)

Jude 1:6
6 and the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (Kjv)

There is no so-called "Bema Seat Judgment," there is only the Great White throne Judgment of God, where ALL shall stand before the Lord to be judged, some to eternal life in the Heaven age with God, and some to eternal death in the lake of Fire.  Any such notion of a "Bema Seat Judgment" is the delusions of the Rapturists trying to make the bible fit in with their theories and false doctrines.  Below is the one and only Judgment Day:

Rev 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(KJV)

God bless!

Nick

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Question #8
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Who were the others crucified with Christ?

Burt writes:

Who were the other two people who died with Jesus?  What were their names.

Thanks,  Burt

 

ANSWER:

Hello:  Sorry to take so long to get back to you, just catching up on our mail.  

Actually there were two sets of ‘others' crucified with Christ. The Companion Bible by E.W. Bullinger has a whole appendix on this.  I have included that whole appendix below.  Very interesting, and not well known!

 

The "Others" Crucified With The Lord (Matthew 27:38 and Luke 23:32). This Is Appendix 164 From The Companion Bible.    Misled by tradition and the ignorance of Scripture on the part of mediæval painters, it is the general belief that only two were crucified with the Lord.    But Scripture does not say so. It states that there were two "thieves" (Greek lestai = robbers, Matthew 27:38. Mark 15:27); and that there were two "malefactors" (Greek kakourgoi, Luke 23:32).    It is also recorded that both the robbers reviled Him (Matthew 27:44. Mark 15:32); while in Luke 23:39 only one of the malefactors "railed on Him", and "the other rebuked him" for so doing (verse 40). If there were only two, this is a real discrepancy; and there is another, for the two malefactors were "led with Him to be put to death" (Luke 23:32), and when they were come to Calvary, "they" then and there "crucified Him and the malefactors, one on the right hand and the other on the left" (verse 33).    But the other discrepancy is, according to Matthew, that after the parting of the garments, and after "sitting down they watched Him there", that "THEN" were there two robbers crucified with Him, one on the right hand and the other on the left" (Matthew 27:38. Mark 15:27). The two malefactors had already been "led with Him" and were therefore crucified "with Him", before the dividing of the garments, and before the two robbers were brought.    The first two (malefactors) who were "led with Him" were placed one on either side. When the other two (robbers) were brought, much later, they were also similarly placed; so that there were two (one of each) on either side and the Lord in the midst. The malefactors were therefore the nearer, and being on the inside they could speak to each other better, and the one with the Lord, as recorded (Luke 23:39 - 43).    John's record confirms this for he speaks only of place and not of time. He speaks, generally of the fact: "where they crucified Him, and with Him others, two on this side, and that side, and Jesus in the midst" (John 19:18). In Revelation 22:2 we have the same expression in the Greek (enteuthen kai enteuthen), which is accurately rendered "on either side". So it should be rendered here: "and with Him others, on either side."    But John further states (19:32, 33): "then came the soldiers and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with Him. But when they came (Greek = having come) to Jesus, and saw that He was dead already, they brake not His legs." Had there been only two (one on either side) the soldiers would not have come to the Lord, but would have passed Him, and then turned back again. But they came to Him after they had broken the legs of the first two.    There are two words used of the "other" and "others" in John 19:32 and Luke 23:32 (see Appendix 124. 1).    In the former passage we read, "they brake the legs of the first and of the other." Here the Greek is allos, which is the other (the second) of two when there are more (see Matthew 10:23; 25:16, 17, 20: 27:61; 28:1. John 18:15, 16; 20:2, 4, 8, and Revelation 17:10).    In the latter passage (Luke 23:32) the word is heteros = different (see Appendix 124. 2); "and others also, two, were being led with Him." These were different1 from Him with Whom they were led, not different from one another; for they were "in the same condemnation", and "justly", while He had "done nothing amiss" (verses 40, 41).    From this evidence, therefore, it is clear that there were four "others" crucified with the Lord; and thus, on the hand, there are no "discrepancies", as alleged; while, on the other hand, every word and every expression, in the Greek, gets (and gives) its own exact value, and its full significance.    To show that we are not without evidence, even from tradition, we may state that there is a "Calvary" to be seen at Ploubézéré near Lannion, in the Côtes-du-Nord, Brittany, known as Les Cinq Croix ("The Five Crosses"). There is a high cross in the centre, with four lower ones, two on either side. There may be other instances of which we have not heard. THE FIVE CROSSES AT PLOUBEZERE, NEAR LANNION, Cotes-du-Nord, Brittany.    "In the Roman Catholic church.... the altar-slab or 'table' alone is consecrated, and in sign if this are cut in its upper surface five Greek crosses, one in the centre and one in each corner... but the history of the origin and development of this practice is not fully worked out" (Encycl. Brit., 11th (Cambridge) ed., vol. i, pages 762, 763). This practice may possibly be explained by the subject of this Appendix. NOTE    1 Compare Matthew 6:21, 24; 8:21; 11:3. Luke 5:7; 6:6; 7:41; 9:56; 14:31; 16:13, 18; 17:34, 35; 18:10; 23:40.

God bless.

Nick

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Question #7
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Purposely abstaining from Medical treatment of serious treatable illness: Faith, or testing God?

 

name withheld writes:

I have a friend who may have cancer.  They refuse to do anything about it.  They won't even go to a doctor to get a diagnosis.  No insurance is a concern.  I have found ways to overcome the financial part.  Another excuse is: "if the Father wants to heal me, He will.  I trust the Father to do His will with my life."   I am worried about my friend and do not know what to say to them to get them to do something.  This friend of mine is to my belief an "elect".  The Word of God is their life.  Is this a form of suicide? What can I do?

Asking for help

ANSWER:

Hello, I admire your friends faith. And no, it is not a form of suicide, for he/she didn't commit ‘‘cancer."  But perhaps you may want to share this with your friend:

I assume that your friend is familiar with the Scriptures.  So I would ask him/her if the Bible teaches to be lazy.  Are we to just lay back and expect God to do everything?  Who built Noah's Ark, God or Noah?  Noah built it (Gen 6:13-22).  And righteous Lot, before Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, did he sit on a bench and wait for God to transport him to safety?  No, Lot and his family walked out of Sodom (Gen 19:15-23).

Even salvation, does that come to us without any effort on our part?  Well, we must believe mustn't we? (John 3:15-16).  That is something that we must do.  Sure Christ paid the price, Christ did that which we could not do, but we must do what we can.  Noah did what he could, he built a boat, God did the rest including sounding the warning of impending danger;  Lot likewise, he did something, he hearkened to the angels and he walked, he walked right out of Sodom, God provided the rest for him including the warnings.

Likewise, today most forms of cancer are very treatable.  Today we have medical technology that I believe god led us to.  Take Chemotherapy for instance, it was God's nature that made radiation act the way it does upon cells.  Man just 'learned' to harness that nature, but it came from God.  Today we have more diseases than they in the olden days.  I believe that God provided for the technology of today's medical marvels, but I also know that if God is not in a treatment, it cannot succeed.

So then, If God gave us the medicine to treat a certain disease, is it showing lack of faith to take that medicine?  NO!  I say that it is lack of gratitude that one doesn't take it.

God is not against Doctors, in fact there are many Christian Doctors.  And there are even heathen Doctors who will tell you that they have seen miraculous healings, though they know not whom to attribute them to, but a believer does.

Why should we ‘force' God to do the miraculous when He provided for an easier way?  Most miracles and interventions we never see, we never know about.  The last time you couldn't find your house keys and you were running late, maybe even missed that important meeting, have you ever thought that maybe a semi trailer truck blew through the light on your route, and had you been on time you would have been flattened?  Think about that, think about all the ‘behind the scenes' interventions that the Lord does in our lives that we never see.

Give God something to work with, no, he doesn't need it, but why test Him?  Even Jesus wouldn't test God by jumping off of the high Pinnacle when satan had tempted Him (Luke 4:9-12), sure Jesus knew that God could save Him, and would have, but why play games with God's time and generosity?

I'll tell you this, your friend has a gift indeed, not many people would trust the Lord so much as to allow Cancer to eat up their bodies without a simple trip to the Doctor and maybe some Chemo.  But I feel that your friend is being selfish.  Has he/she considered the feelings of their loved ones?  What if your friend does die of this cancer, and his family having known that he didn't even seek treatment because he his religious beliefs kept him from it.  Do you think that that will glorify God and Christ, or will the grieving family blame God and think all religion to be ‘wierdos?'

How much better then, to seek treatment, do what you can, then leave into God's providence that which you cannot do?  That is a more respectful way to treat the Lord, and certainly a more compassionate way to entreat your loved ones who must feel like you are standing on railroad tracks staring down a speeding train and are unwilling, because of God, to simply yield to the self preservation that God designed into us all, and step aside.

The Scribe who wrote down the Holy Spirit's words in the book of Luke, that being Luke, was a medical Doctor.   God is not against good medicine, He only appreciates ‘leaps of faith' when there is no other way.  Any other is simply testing or tempting God.

Nowhere in the Scriptures will you find it written that we are not to actively seek medical treatment.  Quite the contrary, in fact, in the Old Testament we see that there was certain things that one was to do to be cured of leprosy, which was a terminal disease at that time.  Sure, God did the healing of course, but the point is, the ‘patient' had to actively do something, and God did what they could not do (Lev 14:1-33).  Even when Jesus cleansed the Leper, He told him to go do with the priest as Moses commanded in Leviticus (Mat 8:3-4).

Could God cure your friend in a twinkling of an eye?  Of course, He does it many many times, but why ‘force' Him to do miracles when He blessed us with good medicine and treatments; Is the medicine itself not a miracle from God?  Take penicillin for instance, what but a miracle of God could make the mold on bread cure disease?  And who would have thought to inject mold into our bodies for healing?  Who showed us to apply God's nature in that manner? God did.

Your friend could be of much better use to our Father by taking care of himself and giving the glory to the Lord.  Then, spend the remainder of his life sharing that strong faith that does shine from this one, with everyone around him.  Use it for good, use that faith to bolster others, don't use it to stare down God.

Ask your friend to prayerfully seek God's will in this matter.  God will never let one down whom seeks His council sincerely.

God bless!

Nick

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Question #6
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Should Christians be afraid of Science? The Bible isn't! 'Young Earth' disproven

 

First allow us to define a couple of terms, as they relate to the below question:  

Evolutionism:  The believe that all life on this planet evolved from a single cell ameba (where that came from, they don't know) into every plant, animal, fish, bird and man both those alive today and extinct species.

Creationism:  The belief that God created everything and everybody. (This is what we believe at WBSG)

'Young Earth' Creationism:  The belief that God created everything and everybody SIX THOUSAND LITERAL YEARS AGO.

Ms. S. writes:

Hello again:

I read with interest your study "When was The beginning?"  It seemed inconsistent that in the very first paragraph of explanation ("In the Beginning"), you refer to man’s wisdom rather than Scripture to document "that this earth is billions of years old".

Through the introduction you have many references to science as if it is infallible particularly concerning Potassium Argon dating.  "good, hard scientific fact"......"carbon 14 and potassium-argon dating are reported by scientists to be quite accurate"........"nor does the Bible contradict good, objective scientific fact".

There is no such thing as "good, hard scientific fact" if it can not be repeated and observed in the present. Scientific theories about the past must make at least some assumptions to draw any conclusions.

A Scientist comes up with a theory and then sets about proving or disproving it.  If the scientist does not believe in God, he has to believe we began by chance.  For this to be feasible, billions of years are required.  When this scientist is making his assumptions so as to draw conclusions, he will always be affected by his prior belief. [As is Ms. S. here being "affected by her prior 'Young Earth' belief"] 

I believe most scientists these days do not want to be accountable to God, so I do not believe that they can be objective.  Should we begin our study of Genesis 1:1-2 with any of man’s wisdom..."Exodus 20:11 says, ‘‘For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ……’’ This is the definitive verse outside Genesis concerning the time frame of creation.  It states categorically that God created everything in six days.  There is just no allowance for a gap.

[Ms. S. then gave us several links to a leading 'Young Earth' teaching WebMinistry.  All of them rife with errors.]

 

ANSWER:

First off, I included the fact that good unbiased science proves the Bible.  I did this, one, because it is true, and secondly, because many readers have been taught all their lives the Bible is proven wrong by science.  We have many new students to the Bible that stop by our Website as well as deeper students.  They (the beginners) are told that science proves evolution correct and also proves the Bible wrong; but that is a lie!  

When people like you then just simply tell them: "all you have to do is believe, brother."  They ask themselves: "believe what?"   We show them hard and true scientific facts to help build their faith, and confront the lies that do come out of so-called secular academia.  I feel that it is imperative to correct that mis-teaching about science and the Bible.  I think that it is a service to the unlearned that we show them that they have been lied to high school science class.  You condemn me for that?

Where in the Bible does God say that we are to remain ignorant to the world around us?  Where are sworn off of good scientific examination?  Would be to God that there were more Christian Archaeologists and Physics Professors.  I am unafraid of the truth because I know the truth ALWAYS proves God's Word correct and man a liar.  Christians burying their heads in the sand is what got this whole matter in such disarray. 

I believe the Bible, I believe that God would not write us a book, call it the Holy Word of God, send His Son to die for it, and then have some 8th grade Science Student be able to prove it wrong!  I act in faith, faith that my Lord's Word in the original autographs of the Prophets and Apostles is true and provable on every Scripture, every word, every syllable, every letter.

I am well familiar with XXXXXXX  XXX's  work at (XXX) Ministries.  In fact I ordered a couple of books from them once and have been receiving fundraising letters ever since, once every three three weeks like clock work!

(XXX) may be a good ministry in their hearts, that I cannot say, but, where they go wrong is that they try to explain away that which they do not understand in the Bible.  The Bible is complete, man's understanding of it is not.  And some men understand less than others.

I think it is injurious to Christianity and the Bible to make things up to explain away supposed Bible inconsistencies.  I have seen (XXX) tell us that the reason that carbon dating shows long ages is because a mere six thousand years ago the effects of the primary elements of the earth (carbon 14) acted differently than they do now.  This is absurd and drives any intelligent person AWAY from the Bible, not into the Bible.

I have seen his excuses for the Grand Canyon as well.  Now as well as Mr. XXX might be intentioned, the Grand Canyon was formed by water erosion over a very long period of time.  Every level of the Canyon shows that erosion (water courses, NOT wind. Wind does now follow elevations and terrain contours as water does).  Take a look at a sand dune, then look at the Grand Canyon, what's wrong with the picture?  The Grand canyon is a river course going from elevation to a lower one, a sand dune is a symmetrical hill in the middle of nowhere. That is the effect of wind and water, water goes down, wind goes across.

Look at a globe.  Look how the Continents fit together like a picture puzzle.  They drift apart a few inches a year. Now try to tell me that a mere six thousand years ago they raced thousands of miles apart in rapid pace, and slowed down 50 years ago when we developed Satellite Technology to measure it.  Come-on now!  Let's be realistic here.  There were so many errors in the excerpts that you supplied that it would take hours to comment upon them all.  But there is one that I feel compelled to address:

You supplied:

"Exodus 20:11 says, ‘‘For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ……’’ This is the definitive verse outside Genesis concerning the time frame of creation. It states categorically that God created everything in six days. There is just no allowance for a gap."

Ok, First I would like to point out that God's Word has an answer for that. Do you believe God's Word or XXXXXXX XXX's?:

2 Pet 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (KJV)

I'll tell you what is going to happen to (XXX's) Museum, when they are proven wrong about so many things, they are going to damage the credibility of the Bible.  Yes, they will cause people to say that the Biblical account of creation is flawed because of all the flaws in XXX's research.  That is the biggest shame of all, because XXX is wrong on so very many points!  personally, I think that they are in it for the money!

Then, let's look at your Exodus verse.  It is referring to keeping the Sabbath.  In Exodus the word used is "made" in Genesis the word is "created."  They are two entirely different Hebrew words!  In Exodus God was explaining why He required us to keep the Sabbath, he was not explaining the order of His creation.  Had the Holy Spirit have wanted to reconfirm the creation event order and the first earth age, He would have used the word "create" as He did in the Genesis 1:1 Scripture.  In short, you are mixing apples and oranges.  Observe:

Exod 20:9-11
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (KJV)

made: Hebrew word #6213 `asah (aw-saw'); a primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense and widest application (as follows): KJV-- accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, bruise, ....

Compare with the creation Scripture:

Gen 1:1-2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (KJV)

created: Hebrew word #1254 bara' (baw-raw'); a primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): -choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

Since you read our study on the the three earth ages (When was The beginning?), I'm sure you've read 2nd Pet 3:4-7 & Jer 4:23-27; perhaps you should revisit them?

God bless!

Nick

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Question #5
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Noah's Flood not global, nor does the Bible say it was: proofs

Below are several excerpts from correspondences about Noah's Flood:

 In the flood Scriptures, the words “earth & heavens” can be local and not global.  The can also mean the earth as a land orl and not glob and the heavens as the visible arch of the sky.  The earth being round allows that it could have been referring to the heavens viable from the flood locale.  I know how they read in the English, but observe the Hebrew definitions from the Strong’s Concordance:

Gen 7:19
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven , were covered. (KJV)

Definitions for above:

earth: Hebrew word #776 'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): KJV-- X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.

heaven: Hebrew word #8064 shamayim (shaw-mah'-yim); dual of an unused singular shameh (shaw-meh'); from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve): KJV-- air, X astrologer, heaven (-s).

To illustrate the sometimes confusing English translations in our Bible (and showing why a Strong’s concordance is a most valuable study aid), I supple Cain’s discussion with God after God told Cain his punishment.  Observe the use of the English phrase “thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth”.  Here the word(s) “the earth” means ‘soil’ (Strong’s # 127).  Surely Cain did not mean “off the face of the whole planet”.  For Cain was driven of that soil that he was on into the land of Nod.  Cain’s driving away was not global any more that the flood of Noah was global:

Gen 4:13-14
13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth [earth here = erets, as in the flood Scripture above]; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. (KJV)

God bless!

Nick

PS: Thanks for the picture of the Ark, I posted it as my desktop wallpaper! (To do this with Windows ‘98 and Internet Explorer, simply RIGHT click on any picture on-line and select “Set as Desktop Wallpaper.”

A reader writes:

"This Scripture sounds to me like a promise to never again destroy the earth with a flood - for perpetual generations:

Gen 9:16  And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth"

Ok, fair enough point.  But what the reader is forgetting (or doesn't know, better stated) is that there was a destruction of the first earth age between Gen 1:1-1:2.  Perhaps you will find the below appendix from the Companion Bible  regarding that destruction of the first earth age.  The first earth age was completely destroyed by water, Noah's Flood was not complete:

Appendix 146 of the The Companion Bible

 

Foundation of the World This Is Appendix 146 From The Companion Bible.    To arrive at the true meaning of this expression, we must note that there are two words translated "foundation" in the New Testament: (1) themelios, and (2) katabole.    The Noun, themelios, occurs in Luke 6:48-49, 14:29, Acts 16:26, Romans 15:20, 1Corinthians 3:l0-12, Ephesians 2:20, 1Timothy 6:19, 2Timothy 2:19, Hebrews 6:1, 11:10, Revelation 21:14,19. It is never used of the world (kosmos) or the earth (ge). The corresponding Verb (themelioo) occurs in Matthew 7:25, Luke 6:48, Ephesians 3:17, Colossians 1:23, Hebrews 1:10 and 1Peter 5:10. The verb is only once used of the earth (ge). Hebrews 1:10.    A comparison of all these passages will show that these are proper and regular terms for the English words "to found", and "foundation".    The Noun, katabole, occurs in Matthew 13:35, 25:34, Luke 11:50, John 17:24, Ephesians 1:4, Hebrews 4:3, 9:26 , 11:11, 1Peter 1:20, Revelation 13:8, 17:8 and the corresponding Verb (kataballo) occurs in 2Corinthians 4:9, Hebrews 6:1 and Revelation 12:10.    A comparison of all these passages (especially 2Corinthians 4:9 and Revelation 12:10) will show that kataballo and katabole are not the proper terms for founding and foundation, but the correct meaning is casting down, or overthrow.    Consistency, therefore, calls for the same translation in Hebrews 6:1, where, instead of "not laying again", the rendering should be "not casting down". That is to say, the foundation already laid, of repentance, etc., was not to be cast down or overthrown, but was to be left and progress made unto the perfection.    Accordingly, the Noun katabole, derived from, and cognate with the Verb, ought to be translated "disruption", or "ruin".    The remarkable thing is that in all occurrences (except Hebrews 11:11) the word is connected with "the world" (Greek kosmos. Appendix 129.1), and therefore the expression should be rendered "the disruption (or ruin) of the world", clearly referring to the condition indicated in Genesis 1:2, and described in 2Peter 3:5-6. For the earth was not created tohu (Isaiah 45:18) but became so, as stated in the Hebrew of Genesis 1:2 and confirmed by 2Peter 3:6, where "the world that then was by the word of God" (Genesis 1:1), perished and "the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word" were created (Genesis 2:4), and are "kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment" (2Peter 3:7) which shall usher in the "new heavens and the new earth" of 2Peter 3:13.    "The disruption of the world" is an event forming a great dividing line in the dispensations of the ages. In Genesis 1:1 we have the founding of the world (Hebrews 1:10 = themelioo), but in Genesis 1:2 we have its overthrow.    This is confirmed by a further remarkable fact, that the phrase, which occurs ten times, is associated with the Preposition apo = from (Appendix 104. iv) seven times, and with pro = before (Appendix 104. xiv) three times. The former refers to the kingdom, and is connected with the "counsels" of God; the latter refers to the Mystery (or Secret; See Appendix 193) and is connected with the "purpose" of God (see John 17:24, Ephesians 1:4, 1Peter 1:20).    Ample New Testament testimony is thus given to the profoundly significant fact recorded in Genesis 1:2, that "the earth became tohu and bohu (i.e. waste end desolate); and darkness was on the face of the deep", before the creation of "the heavens and the earth which are now" (2Peter 3:7).

And finally, after Regarding all the absurd theories and violations of nature that 'young earth' (6000 literal years) devotees make to support a young earth and Noah's flood being a global and complete destruction:

We respect their right to believe:

•• That somehow the water necessary to cover the entire globe over the height of Mt. Everest (5½ miles above sea level!) fell upon the earth and then vanished.

•• That Noah's Ark, of which the Bible gives the dimensions of (the Sacred Cubit is approx 25' long; thus, the Ark was 625' long x 104' wide x 62' 5" high), was somehow large enough to house the hundreds of thousands of known species today (not to mention their food supply for a year, or the fact that they were taken by two's {unclean animals} and by sevens {clean animals} each - Gen7:2).

•• That from the eight white people on the Ark, in a matter of less that a thousand years, evolved all the different races (Black, Oriental, Hispanic..), and then they suddenly stopped evolving.

•• That the Kenites (sons of Cain from Gen 4:17-24) made it through the flood (to be found in 1st Chron 2:55, etc.), but were not with Noah's family on the Ark (good swimmers perhaps?).

•• That receding water from a single great flood could carve solid rock to the great depth of the grand canyon.  (The Grand Canyon extends 277 miles.  It is about 1 mile deep. The canyon varies in width from less than 1 mile to 18 miles).

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We at WBSG will continue to believe what the Bible says about the Flood of Noah, and:

•• That the reason for the Flood was solely to kill the Giants in Gen 6:1-8, whom were the abominable to God offspring of Adam's daughters and the fallen angels.

•• That the Flood was restricted to the area were Adam's tribe lived and where this mixing of human and angelic being was taking place (Gen 6:1-7).

•• That the Hebrew will allow for "earth" being rendered "land, region, country" (and is in other places in the Bible), and that also "heaven" can be rendered "the visible arch in the sky" for as far as the eye can see due to earth's curvature.

•• That the other races (Black, Asia, Hispanic, ...) were untouched by the flood as they lived in another part of the earth.

•• That the only animals taken onto the Ark were the animals that were found in the region of the Flood (seven of every clean animal, and two of every unclean animal).

•• That God, while he could, does not create trillion x trillions of metric tons of water and then destroy it again a year later (as 'young earth' devotees explain away the amount of water necessary to cover the highest mountain ranges (Mt. Everest - 5½ miles above sea level).

•• That carbon 14 and the other elements of this great, God created earth and universe, act (and degrade) in the same fashion and at the same rate as when the Almighty created them (as 'young earth' devotees explain away the ancient dates of fossils).

•• And that solid rock exposed to the agitate action of water running across its face erodes at the same rate today that it did 4349 years ago (back to flood year). (The Grand Canyon is about 1 mile deep. The canyon varies in width from less than 1 mile to 18 miles).

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We at WBSG are Bible believers, we do not fabricate wondrous absurdities to defend a book that is not incorrect (Bible), and do not have to lie to people to cover-up inconsistencies in the Bible that do not exist!

This earth (the planet itself) is millions and millions of years old.  This earth age is approx. 14,000 years old, just like the Bible declares.

God bless!

Nick

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Question #4
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Is Gen 1:27 and Gen 2:7 describing the same event? Differences shown

Mr. W. stated that he felt that the two separate 'creation events' in Genesis were the same incident simply being described differently.  Below are those two events, and then our explanation to Mr. W.

(sixth day creation - Mankind):

Gen 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.  (KJV)

('Eighth' day creation - adam):

Gen 2:5-8
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.  (KJV)

Hello Mr. W, regarding Gen 1:27 and Gen 2:7 describing the same event:

As you know, we teach that that Gen 1:27 is the creation of all the races. And Gen 2:7 is the FORMING of Adam, whom was to be the earliest flesh ancestor to the messiah Jesus Christ. It was for that specific reason, and no other, that Adam was Formed.

I have much to say on this matter, but let it suffice for this one post that I simply point out the below, and you can study the matter fully in our: Mankind; two separate creation events

In the creation event in the first chapter of Genesis, we see that the animals are created first, then man.  In the second chapter FORMING of Adam, we see first THAT man, then the animals.

In the first chapter of Genesis the animals that are created are wild animals.  In the second chapter of Genesis the animals are domestic (farm) animals (For Adam was the first husbandman - farmer {Gen 2:5}).  In regards to this, you will notice that the animals of Gen 1:24 were "beasts of the EARTH", and those in Gen 2:19 were "beasts of the FIELD".  These are two different Hebrew words, with two different meanings.  Check out the various uses of "FIELD" in your Strong's.  There was a reason that the Holy Spirit used two different words for the two different sets of animals:

EARTH: #776 'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):  KJV-- X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X natins, way, + wilderness, world. 

FIELD:  #7704 sadeh (saw-deh'); or saday (saw-dah'-ee); from an unused root meaning to spread out; a field (as flat): KJV-- country, field, ground, land, soil, X wild. 

Below I supply the relative Scriptures that show two separate ‘creation events’ by God for two separate reasons.  Please pay particular attention to the placement of the woman, for in Genesis chpt. One she is created with the male, but in Genesis chpt. Two, she is taken from the man Adam AFTER God created the domestic animals.  I feel that these are significant differences that cannot be overlooked nor explained away. Either God’s written word, the Bible, has contradicted itself (which is not possible) or there were to separate ‘creatings’ by God in the beginning of our age. Also compare all the underlined words together. Observe in chronological (and Scriptural) order:

(sixth day creation - wild animals of the field):

Gen 1:24
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. (KJV)

(sixth day creation - Mankind - both male and female, all races):

Gen 1:27
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (KJV)

(Eighth day creation - adam):

Gen 2:5
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. (KJV)

Gen 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man* of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (KJV)  * ['The man Adam' 'eth haa-Adaam in the manuscripts (the article and particle present here - very emphatic - this very man Adam)] 

(Eighth day creation - domestic (farm) animals):

Gen 2:18-19
18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

(where's eve?!?):

Gen 2:20
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

(eve made from adam - finally!):

Gen 2:21-23
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. (KJV)

As I said earlier, we have an in-depth Bible study on this subject on our site: The TWO creation events in Genesis

God bless!

Nick

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Question #3
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When was the word 'Jew' first used in the Bible versions; are modern day so-called Jews the chosen of God in the Bible? 

 

S. writes that she believes that the modern day so-called or self-styled Jews are the chosen of God people written of in the Bible simply because they 'run around' today calling themselves Jews.  She feels that to speak of the Jews in any manner other than with godly reverence is a sin.  We have a few facts for Ms. S.

First of all, God made His covenant with Israel, not with so-called Jews.  The Jews didn't come into being until approx 500 b.c. during (and after) the Babylonian captivity.  God made His covenant with Israel well over a 1000 years before there was any such thing as a "Jew."   Those today who call themselves "Jews" are impostors and are not of Israel.  For a "Jew" is a religion, not a race.  You have black Jews and Chinese Jews....  I'm sure that you haven't heard this in the mainstream 'controlled' Media, nor in the 'controlled' Universities and History curriculums. 

The word "Jew" did not appear in any Bible until the 18th century 

The word "Jew" did not appear in any Bible until the 18th century.  The modern day word “Jew” is the 18th century contracted and corrupted English word for the 4th century Latin “Iudaeus” found in St. Jerome’s Vulgate Edition.

Two best known 18th century editions of the New Testament in English are the Rheims (Douai) and the King James Version Bible (the A.V. or Authorized Version).  The Rheims (Douai) translation of the New Testament was first printed in 1582 but the word “Jew” did not appear in it.  The King James Authorized translation of the New Testament into English was begun in 1604 and first published in 1611.  The word “Jew” did not appear in it either.  The word “Jew” appeared in both these well known editions in their 18th century revised versions for the first times.

Herein lies the confusion that is exploited by the impostors.  What are commonly referred to as "Jews" today are not the people that the Holy Spirit was speaking of in the Bible.  In the Bible, the word "Jew" means Judean.  But today (from the 1700's on) a 'certain' people adopted the title "Jew" and have moved right into the place of chosen Israel.  In the Bible, the word “Jew” means anyone of the region of Judea, or, any of the house of Judah. One must take each Scripture by itself to determine which meaning is to be affixed.

However, today, the word “Jew” means a follower of Judaism, which is the corrupted religion of the Old Testament era Hebrews founded during the Babylonian captivity of approx. 500 b.c.  It is not the religion of the Hebrews in the Old Testament handed down from God to Moses on the Mount, but rather, it is a Babylonian corruption of that religion founded not on the Old Testament Scriptures but rather upon the Babylonian Talmud (added writings, the oral TRADITIONS of the ancient Rabbis) and the Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism).  These facts are not disputed by the Rabbis themselves (Quotes supplied momentarily).

The word "Jew" in the Bible isn't used in the same sense that we use the term today

  In the Bible you see the term "Jew" used quite a bit.  But it isn't in the same sense that we today use the term "Jew."  The Word Jew in the Bible can mean two different things: either a descendant of the tribe of Judah OR a person from the land of Judaea (the region in which Jerusalem resides, a 'county' or 'province' so to speak) but not necessarily of the tribe of Judah.  it's like you can be an Irishman and live in Germany and yet not be a German.  Don't let the different languages and the names in them confuse you on this.  Observe:

Jew:  Greek word #2453 Ioudaios (ee-oo-dah'-yos); from #2448 (in the sense of #2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah ["Judah" in Hebrew language of Old Testament] :  KJV-- Jew (-ess), of Judaea.

Greek word #2448 Iouda (ee-oo-dah'); of Hebrew origin [Hebrew word #3063 or perhaps #3194]; Judah (i.e. Jehudah or Juttah), a part of (or place in) Palestine: KJV-- Judah.

 Greek word #2455 Ioudas (ee-oo-das'); of Hebrew origin [Hebrew #3063]; Judas (i.e. Jehudah), the name of ten Israelites; also of the posterity of one of them and its region: KJV-- Juda (-h, -s); Jude.

Judaea:  1).  In a narrower sense, to the southern portion of Palestine lying on this side of the Jordan and the Dead Sea, to distinguish it from Samaria, Galilee, Peraea, and Idumaea.  2).  In a broader sense, referring to all Palestine.

        So in the Bible when you see someone referred to as a "Jew" it could mean a 'good' one like those Jews whom believed upon Jesus Christ, OR, it could mean a 'bad' one like the Jews that sought to kill Jesus Christ:

Acts 2:5 (good)
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.  (KJV)

John 7:1(bad)
1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.  (KJV)

   &nb3p;    My point here is that just because you see someone called a "Jew" in the Bible does not necessarily mean that they are a devote chosen man of God, nor, necessarily an evil person with corrupt religion.  You have to take each one in context of the Scripture, the Scripture will let you know which kind of 'Jew' is being spoken about.  That is what "Jew" means in the Bible, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the so-called  "Jews" of today.

If modern day so-called Jews are NOT the Jews of the Bible, then who are they?

       So then, if modern day so-called Jews are NOT the Jews of the Bible, then who are they?  When we see the term "Jew" today, what are they saying?  Allow us to answer that with an excerpt from the Information Division, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Jerusalem, and the  The Jewish Almanac themselves, lest anyone think we are being so-called anti-Semitic here:

 
Take a look at a so-called "Jew," he does not look like an Israelite, he looks like his brother, the Arab; and they are brothers, they are both descended from Esau. That is why modern day Israel can place so many spies and double agents with the various Arab Terrorist groups - they look like the same people because they are of the same womb.  A great lie has been perpetrated on the Christian peoples so that they errantly consider the Jews and their religion to be of God's choosing.  And now to point that out opens oneself up to false accusations of anti-Semitism, Bigotry and Racism;  That is how the impostors remain hidden.

Jews and Arabs: a conflict of cousins PICTURE: Who's who?  One of the men is Palestinian [Arab], the other three are Jews.  Which is which? Answer: The other three are Israelis of Yemeni origin, regular customers who speak the Arabic their parents taught them.  The young man on the left is a Palestinian selling sweets in a market in the Old City of Jerusalem.

The true ‘Israel peoples,’ descended from the Ten ‘Lost’ Tribes of Israel are the Anglo/Saxons who migrated north over the Caucasus Mountains (later being called Caucasians) and settled Europe and eventually the Americas.

However, the modern day so-called Jews are primarily Edomites (of Esua, Jacob/Israel's brother). A great part of the commonly referred to as "Jews" of our day are descended from the Khazar Jews of Russia. The Khazars are a Turkish people who trace their genealogy to Esau, NOT Jacob. These are facts.

Christians have been betrayed and deceived by the impostors.  The impostors are they who say that they are "Jews," but are NOT, and do lie.  Our Lord was quite clear on the matter:

Rev 2:9
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (KJV)

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (KJV)

So therefore, in ignorance, many Christians assume that someone is blaspheming ‘God’s chosen,’ when in reality, they are merely pointing out who the imposters are that are trying to steal Jacob/Israel’s birthright and usurp God’s Kingdom in the process by turning the truth into a lie and a lie into the truth.  We were warned of as much so many many times in the Scriptures, both Old and New Testaments.  That is the very thing that the New Testament says shall befall the last days. MYSTERY BABYLON, began in Babylon (Babylonian Talmud, the holy book of the Judaism) and shall occupy the Holy City Jerusalem with the antichrist sitting on the throne of God claiming to be God (1st Thes 2:1-4).

You most likely have been conditioned (trained) to reject what I am saying as anti-Semitism.  But the “Jews” are not a Semitic people!  In addition to being descended from Esau, the also traced their founding fathers to the Tribe of Japheth, Shem’s brother by Noah (of Noah’s Ark fame), who's daughters Esua TOOK AS STRANGE WIVES:

A LITTLE HISTORY OF ESAU AND JACOB/ISRAEL

Gen 28:6-9
6 When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away to Padan-aram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan;
7 And that Jacob obeyed his father and his mother, and was gone to Padan-aram;
8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father;
9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife. (KJV)

Gen 27:11
11 And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man: (KJV)

Gen 27:41
41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob. (KJV)

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Question #2
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Racism - Is the teaching of the Biblical 6th and 8th day creations, racist?

Pastor xxx writes:

Hello, 
My name is Pastor xxx of xxxxx Church here in xxxx and I need you to clear up some things for me. First of all I really enjoy your website and I am glad that I found it when I did. I've been studying with (another Ministry on TV) for a little more than five years and have come to realize that I have eyes to see and ears to hear. (although I have been knowing and studying the kenite since about 1991 even though I didn't know them by name until I came across Pastor (A fine Christian Minister) ) 

We are probably are the only African American Church for miles around that studies the way we do. We are always under constant attack from other African American Churches (as you know, there is know tradition like Black-Church tradition) because our Biblical-based teaching is so far removed from the traditional black church. I mean if you try to introduce a study on the rapture theory in our churches not only will you be ran out, but you will probably be beaten on the way out. 

Now to my question of concern. It seems to me that when my eyes were open to the truth the only Christians that were teaching this way were White Christians and there seemed to be (though I hope I am wrong) an elitist attitude against other races. I kind of get the feeling that other races are viewed as inferior or non-chosen, therefore less important. Is this true? I know God has Kings and Queens of the Ethnos but it seems like it is implied that if you are not of the Adamic race then you didn't contribute that much to the advancement of the world and the spreading of the gospel. I wish somebody would tell me if they think I am inferior (identity movement or any other religious movement that feels this way). 

I mean I would respect them more if they told me where they stood instead of smiling in my face and hating me behind my back. Listen I feel we are on the same side, at least let me know that I am loved the way I love all my brothers of other races and am glad that God made us and saw that we are all GOOD. 

Please help me by clearing up this matter. 
Thank You and God Bless 
xxxxx

Hello Pastor xxx. (if I may call you that):

        I will give a strait honest answer if that is what you want. You want it strait, so I will give it (as I see it) to you strait, no pulled punches.

        As always, satan comes to take away the truth as soon as it is given:

Matt 13:19
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. (KJV)

        Such is being done with the knowledge of the two separate creations of peoples on the earth in Genesis chpt's. 1&2. (I trust that you read our work Mankind; two separate 'creation events').

        How is satan taking away this particular truth or teaching? The way he has taken away many truths, he smears them, alters them, and attacks them as untrue or as that the people teaching them are ‘hiding' something sinister and lying about that truth. Satan did this very thing with the Lord God's words to Eve:

Gen 3:3-5
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. (KJV)

        So satan told Eve that God had lied to her and that His words should not be trusted, and that instead, his (satan's) should be. Such is with the teaching of the two creation events. The question now is, why would ‘some group' want to mask that teaching? What does any one ‘group' have to gain by masking the events?

        Well, when one understands that not all came from Adam & Eve and that most of the peoples on the earth came from the original creation, that also leaves the door open to understand about the Kenites. You will notice that there are none whom believe in the two separate creation events that do not also believe in the seed of the serpent (the Kenites through Cain); and conversely, there are none who believe that Adam & Eve were the progenitors of the entire human family that also believe that there is such a race as the Kenites. There is your motive for you.

        The Kenites themselves, through their extensive control of media and churches have hid the teaching of both the 8th day creation as well as the offspring of the serpent. The reason for that is obvious, it exposes them.

        ‘They' have more control than many imagine, and they even influence the white racist movements (as also the black racist movements and the Zionists etc.) through a campaign of disinformation and fear mongering. They are quite brilliant. Everybody is a pawn to them, everybody.

        I could go much deeper into how the Kenites have created animosity between the races, I could excerpt ADL literature documenting that the Jewish Anti Defamation League Of B'nai B'rith (their true full title; B,nai B'rith is Hebrew for "Children of the Covenant" - their own little racist clique) has burned crosses of the yards of blacks to stir up fear, resentment and hate against all whites. And how they have painted anti-Semitic slogans on Synagogues to stir up antiChristian hate amongst Jews. They are really very thorough and ruthless in their in their methods.

        The teaching of the two creations is also taught by British Israelism and Christian Identity movements. However, most of them distort the teaching (as you have undoubtedly heard it taught by them) into a racist message condemning all races other than white, as being inferior and worthless. This is of course a lie and is implanted by the Kenites to ridicule the teaching of the two creations and about the Kenite. Once again, the reasons are obvious.

        What they have done is used this teaching to feed into some kind of ‘white pride' movement, which is no worse than any ‘black pride' movement, or ‘Latino pride'... - it is all divisive and a tool of the adversary. Since when is ‘pride' a virtue anyway? True, no one should be ashamed of their heritage, but pridefulness is counter to the Gospel message. We are to humble, not boastful and proud.

        So what I am saying is that there are many who misread the teaching, who misteach that one race is better than another race. There also those who teach that all races came from the same two ancestors. Both of these are incorrect and are planted by the same adversary working through different channels. Pastor (A fine Christian Minister) , as well as myself, teach the message as it is written in the Word of God.  And neither I nor Pastor are racists.  Have you seen the Shepherds Chapel interviews with many African American and Hispanic students? Shepherd's Chapel Passover ‘97 Video Interviews or also: Pastor Arnold (A fine Christian Minister) 's In Answer to Critics, and, (another Ministry on TV) Statement of Faith.  These explain much ((A fine Christian Minister) is under constant attack from the Kenites, for obvious reasons).    

        There are differences between the various races, that is inescapable, but it has no bearing on their worth to God. And since the crucifixion, and by the blood of Christ, all men everywhere can be adopted into the single family of God. We are all one in Christ, we are brethren of the Beloved (when we become Christian), yet we are still Caucasian, 'African' American, Latino, Oriental...

        I myself am a white man, I have brown hair, but my brother has blond hair; does that make one of us ‘better' or more beloved? Of course not. And as such, I am a white Christian male, you are a black Christian male, does that make you or I better than the other, or, does it make us both better than a Christian woman? Of course not. We are all Christians, one white, one black, one female. Different physically, but family and beloved of our Heavenly Father all the same. 

        The ironic thing is that the white racist's and their instigators apparently are ignorant to the fact that there were Caucasians in the sixth day creation as well as all other races. So therefore, not all white people are of Israel. And even just after Adam, not all white people are Israel, for Israel are those of the Ten Northern Tribes. But what about all the Caucasian peoples before the Israelites (through Jacob/Israel) received the blessing and birthright in Gen 35:10-12? Also, the Kenites are a ‘Caucasian type' race having the same mother as Able and Seth; that is something which the hate mongers omit in their rabble.

        So now on to the so-called ‘hard' question. I have spent this letter thus far on the similarities between the races, but there are differences in the plan of God that needs be addressed.

        In the sixth day creation all races were created (including the white race) and they lived and reproduced after their own kind as directed. Thus there were all races in tribal factions spread across the earth. Adam's family would not be formed until some 2000 years later. So from this first creation till Adam, God did not walk with His children, they were godless so to speak (Christ would later go back to them after His crucifixion and offer them salvation 1st Pet 3:18 & 4:5-6 which many accepted and were saved from the grave John 5:24-29 ).

        That the sixth day creation were also sinners is witnessed in:

Gen 6:3
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man ['eth haa-Aadam - The man Adam in the Mss.], for that he also [as was the 6th day peoples] is flesh [fleshly, worldly, liable to commit sin]: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. (KJV)

        But that they were not held guilty of their sin because they had not yet received no instruction (law) from God is observed:

Rom 5:12-14
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. (KJV)

        So then, before there is law there can be no sin charged against man, but once God gave the first law and it was broken, sin then became sin, it then was charged to man "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Gen 2:17). Thus, when Adam disobeyed God's first law, sin became a reality on the earth, sin had entered the earth at that moment. Before then, when the people (6th day) did something wrong, it was wrong yes, but, it was not called a chargeable sin because there was not yet any law. It's kind of like in Germany on the Autobahn there is no speed limit, therefore you cannot get a speeding ticket because there is no law, even though you may be traveling at 120 miles an hour. No law = no sin.

Rom 7:7-9
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law [if there is no law] sin was dead [sin is not; of none effect].
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived [sin lived - sin was was made to be], and I died. (KJV)

        So God formed Adam to be the first ancestor to the promise, Jesus Christ was that promise. So Adam's family did have a specific mission above all other peoples on the earth, and as Christ said, that did not make them greater than the other peoples, it rather made them slaves to the other peoples, slaves in Christ for the Word of God and the Gospel's sake:

        Allow me touch on racism here. It is purely man's doing to hate another man simply because of their differences. And some have asked that if God knew that man would use the differences in the races to foster hate why did He make all the different races? And that might have been a good question except we consider this. If we wish that God did not make us all different looking where do we suppose that He stop? I mean, today some whites are against blacks and some blacks are against whites because they are of different races. So then, if God made us all one race would the hated and pettiness of man cease? No it would not!

        In that alternate world where there is only one race of mankind, you would still have blond hair and brown hair and black hair and straight hair and curly hair, Would not then man divide himself into the blond hairs and the brown hairs, or the blue eyes and brown eyes? And then if God made all hair and all eyes the same color and texture, would you not then have the tall's and the short's, the big nose's and the little nose's? In other words, this thing that manifests itself as ‘race-ism' in our world would always be present under other names, such as perhaps: ‘hair-ism,' ‘eye-ism,' 'height-ism,' 'nose-ism' etc. 

        The only way to remove occasion for hate based upon differences, is to make every human exactly identical. How boring that would be, and how would we know our families? Perhaps by dress? Then you would have the bleu shirts against the red shirts.... Not to mention the ‘little problem' with male and female, how would our ‘re-creationists' suggest that God blot out that occasion for prejudice?

        The problem is not in our differences as a human family, it is in out reaction to that diversity. God made red fish and He made green fish, they do not seem to have a problem swimming together; racial prejudice is a weakness and sin of man and the fires are fanned by satan and his lot. So no matter what God did, man would still find a reason to hate each other based upon differences. God taught us a better way. And we can love each other as Christian brethren and still be black and white and brown and yellow and red.

        That does not mean that I am saying that God ordained the mixing of the races in marriage, had God wanted all peoples to intermarry and eventually by birth upon birth become one brownish race, an admixture of all racial traits and characteristics, then why did He create all the different races with their individual beauty and diversities? And why did God say "kind after kind"? And why, after creating that great diversity within man and beast alike did He say:

Gen 1:31
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (KJV)

         I hasten to add, that there is no Law against intermarriage between the races, except for Israel, they were told not to intermarry with other Tribes of peoples in the Old Testament.  But that commandment was given specifically to Israel, for all other Tribes were heathen.  And by no means does that affect the child of today, the child is the same as any other child before the Lord.  Children of mixed race are not less in the sight of the Lord; I hope I am clear on that.  It is hard to write of race issues because so much negative groundwork has been laid down throughout history.  Nowhere in the New Testament is it written that the races cannot intermarry (and in the New Testament Israel doesn't even know who they are anyway).  But in the Old Testament, Israel was told in several places not to mix with the Heathen peoples:  (I might add that Israel was also not to mix with the other Caucasian 'type' peoples as well - for Cain was a white man, and so also some of his descendants were white [a whole different topic for another study])

Deut 7:1-4
1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.  (KJV)

       And now the question comes up as to why Jesus was a white man and all the prophets and Apostles were white men. Well, whom were they first sent to? They were sent to their own people first, their people rejected the message and then it was sent to all the other peoples:

Acts 13:46-49
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.  (KJV)

        After that, gentiles had received the Holy Spirit and were sent to their own peoples, like the Ethiopian in Acts. No doubt that that Ethiopian man went back to his land and peoples and spread the Gospel of the Good News, saving as many whom would hear and believe. And the Samaritan woman by the well, God used here to convert her whole village, He did not send a Judeaen prophet or teacher, the Judeaens and Samaritans did not get along with each other, Jesus used that woman, for they believed her witness. 

        Many times, God sends teachers to a people that are of that same people. The reason is that the people tend to accept a teacher that is of their own more than a teacher that is of different peoples. Take your community for instance, who would have a better chance at bringing this teaching to the people in the church down the way from you? Me, as a white guy from Chicago, or you, as a black man from their own community? You know the answer, they would probably cast me out on my ear and call me a racist, but you, they might listen to you. In that, you can see the hand, wisdom and providence of God working to reach all His beloved children with the Word and the Truth for these critical end times. The gentiles must also understand the coming antichrist, for satan deals in souls, and he shall equally deceive all peoples if he can. 

        And just like the Ethiopian and the Samaritan, God is using you to bring the truth to your people, to His children of your race. There is nothing ‘racist' about God's Word or His plans, if anything, God is so very fair and forgets no one people. 

        The Bible just does not mention the Gentile too much because the Bible is about one man's family (Adam) and all they come into contact with. That is why so little is written of the sixth day peoples (including the white sixth day tribe). It is not because they are less in the sight of God - God forbid, but they are just not directly the subject being written of. That subject was the prophecy and the coming of the Messiah Jesus Christ to save God's children from their sins. Adam just happened to be in Christ's genealogy (Luke 3:23 -38), therefore the Bible focuses on Adam's family. 

        It's kind of like this, if I were to write a book on, say Scottish Ancestry, and then I failed to mention German or African peoples, does that mean that black Africans and white Germans are less important or less loved by me than the Scottish tribes? Does that mean that there are no Africans or Germans in Scotland? Of course not. And does that mean that the Africans and Germans in Scotland are less than human? Of course not! It just means that Africans and Germans are not the direct subject of what I was teaching and writing about. That's all, nothing more, nothing less. And in the New Testament, after the promise was delivered (Jesus) the Gospel was directed to all peoples everywhere. 

        Then through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, all men are brethren in the Kingdom through faith in Christ. Spiritually there is no difference between a black Christian and a white Christian, a male Christian and a female Christian, but racially (and gender) there is a difference, certain peoples have certain prophecies to fulfill; but that difference will be as unimportant in Heaven as the genders of today shall be. We are all to be as one in the body of Christ, all different brothers and sisters, but one in the Kingdom of God. We are children, He is Father.

Gal 3:20-4:6
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew [judean] nor Greek [Gentile], there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise [everlasting life]. 

CHAPTER 4

1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. (KJV)

        Pastor xxx, I want to commend you on having the courage to stand and teach the truth when it must be very difficult for you to do so under certain circumstances. May God strengthen you and bless you with wisdom and knowledge to maintain the truth in your congregation against all odds. That your Congregation may be blessed to be light and a beacon to not only her people but all peoples in the fast approaching final times and great tribulation of antichrist. You are a fine Christian Warrior, you're congregation is very fortunate to have you, and I am ‘proud' to call you my brother in the Beloved.

You may share this correspondence any way that you wish.  

Sincerely, your brother in Christ;

Nick Goggin

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Who's the 'prince' and who's the 'king' of Tyrus in Ezek 28?

Shanoa Writes:

I was reading my Companion Bible this morning and I came across something quite by accident that was said to me yesterday. That the prince of Tyrus and the King of Tyrus were 2 different persons.  In Ezeikiel chapter 28:

In verses 1- 10 are talking to the prince of Tyrus, and,
In verses 11-19 are to the king of Tyrus

Now I know that different names in Satan's case can be his different personas.  Like sometimes serpent can mean the deceiver, the hisser, deceiver.  Sometimes he is the serpent that is the dragon- ie the one that is wroth and angry.

What I am asking is the prince of Tyrus and the King of Tyrus the same person and just showing different personalities of his, or, is this possibly the False prophet as the prince and The king Is Satan him self.  Hope you can understand what I am asking.

Shanoa

 

ANSWER:

Hello again, the The Companion Bible is an excellent study Bible, we wholly recommend it.  But Dr. Bullinger isn't always correct on everything, as no man could ever be correct about matters Biblical.  Although, we are not that far from agreement with Dr. Bullinger on this Scripture, just on some minor points.  Let us answer your question as such:

The prince of Tyrus is satan in this earth age.  The king of tyrus is satan in the first earth age (before his fall) (demoted in this age).  That is why in the Scriptures regarding the king of Tyrus, we see satan before his fall. Observe:

Satan before his fall (first earth age):

Ezek 28:11-19
11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus [satan in 1st earth age], and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty [once was one of the most beautiful of the Archangels].
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God [Garden of Eden as the serpent]; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth [guarded the Mercy Seat]; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. [at God's very Throne]
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes [perdition, Lake of Fire] upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.  [fully consumed from within, perished]  (KJV)

Satan after his fall (second [our current] earth age):

Ezek 28:1-10
1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus [satan in 2nd earth age], Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God [2nd Thes 2:1-4, Isa 14:12 (given below)], in the midst of the seas [midst of the peoples; see Rev 17:15]; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers [the Elect] upon thee, the terrible [mighty] of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
8 They shall bring thee down to the pit [Botomless Pit (Rev 20:1-3) (given below)], and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas [Lake of Fire (Rev 20:9-10) (given below)].
9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.  (KJV)

Satan as the antichrist at the end of our age (the 2nd earth age):

II Th 2:1-4
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition [satan, the son that perishes];
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God [Ezek 28:6 & 9; Isa 14:13-14].  (KJV)

Satan's end in this earth age:

Isa 14:12-19
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer [satan, this earth age], son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. [2nd thes 2:1-4, Ezek 28:6&9]
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit [Bottomless Pit in the Millennium].
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. [terms of degradation to him that would have made himself God] (KJV)

Satan incarcerated in the bottomless pit  for 1000 years at the second advent:

Rev 20:1-3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (KJV)

Satan released for a 'moment' after the 1000 years (millennium):

Rev 20:7-8
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison [Bottomless Pit],
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (KJV)

Satan killed, cast into Lake of Fire (eternal perdition) all prophecies regarding satan are fulfilled, satan is no more. "... and never shalt thou be any more" (Ezek 28:19):

Rev 20:9-10
9 And they [satan and those who follow him after Millennium] went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil [stan himself] that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast [one-world Lucifian system (Rev 13:1-3)] and the false prophet [satan's ROLE as antichrist] are [both the beast and the false prophet (the 'system' and the 'role' of antichrist) were already cast in this Lake of Fire in Rev 19:20], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. [eternal separation from life] (KJV)

New heaven and new earth (third earth age). Lake of fire dried up. no more death, pain, sorrow, the former things are passed away:

Rev 21:1-8
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth [3rd earth age]: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.  (KJV)

I hope that helps to explain.  

God bless
Nick

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