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Hi Xxxxx. Thank you for the kind words. A Listing at http://www.southerngospelministries.org/lsga.htm, of Southern Gospel Artists, shows that the Telestials are a Gospel band.
I wouldn't do it. Satan is slick, and he can you praising false gods in this manner (just as with the so-called "Talking in Tongues" satan can you blaspheming God without realizing it). Why on Earth would someone worship with words that they don't even know! Such is the condition of the endtime Christian churches. Perhaps these people are innocent in ignorance, and perhaps they mean well. But I don't like it. It seems bizarre that this groups pops-in out of nowhere, against the desires of the parishioners, and has people praising "Allah" (!)
To be fair-handed, I must add that in some languages, the word "allah" is the name that means "God." But we know that the deity of the Muslims, Allah, is not God.
Many compromisers will tell you that "Allah" is just another name for God, and that the Muslims worship the same God as Christians do. This is not at all the case! Here's the "litmus test": the only True God, the Lord God of the Bible, had a Son named Jesus Christ, who died and resurrected to save His (God's) children from their sins and from the death eternal. On the other hand, the false god known as "Allah" by the Muslims, had no son Jesus Christ, and is not therefore the Lord God Almighty of the Bible. Use your best judgment on this issue. Perhaps think twice before accusing them; for, they may be acting in ignorance, and really feel that they are doing something good. But at the same time, I would bring word to the pastor or preacher in charge, that you think it dangerous to have Christians singing songs that praise God in the name of "Allah." It sends the wrong signal, I feel. Especially these days with all the plurality and ecumenism going on in the Christian churches. And personally, I would never dare praise the name of "Allah." Now, I'm not telling you what to do, but I think that if you are looking for a good Bible-centered Christian church, you may have to keep looking past this one. Have you tried the TV ministry of Shepherds Chapel? It's on TV (late night) all over North America and beyond, on cable and satellite and free TV. It has verse by verse teaching of the Bible, and a questions and answers segment. Here is their Website: The Shepherd's Chapel Peace to you. And pray on what to do.
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Demeanor in teaching (regarding rapture critique)
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Hello. Your points are taken well. And I appreciate the manner in which you delivered them. I think that where some people misunderstand me is that they do not realize that when I write, I am not writing to one, but to many; and many times directly to the Rapture teachers themselves―trying to get them to realize that there are repercussions for misleading God's Christian children. And that one-on-one I would not be so honestly critical of a Rapturist. I would be more individual with them and reason from the Scriptures with them, because they were listening, dialoging with me. On the other hand, a lot of Rapturists will just click off the Website when they see their pet doctrine challenged. So I leave a lasting impression on them―that being that there are competent Biblical challenges to the Rapture doctrine that need to be considered. maybe I just open them up for a nice-talking teacher. I don't know. God heals whom He will, apart from any agency of man. And when God tells me to sweet talk deceivers, then I will. I speak of the Rapture TEACHERS, not the everyday run of the mill Rapturist. There is a great difference between the two. The later is the "being deceived," and the first is the "deceiving"
But anyway, this is what Christ did with the Jews of His day. Take the Pharisee (forerunner of today's Judaism) Nicodemus. Jesus spoke softly to him in person, one-on-one. However, when Jesus spoke in general and to a group of these Jews and their corrupt religion Pharisaism (Judaism), He was not quite so soft. How many Judeo-Christians would disfellowship (ex-communicate) even Jesus Christ from their congregations had He returned for a visit with them, for daring to speak of the Jews in the below manner! "Anti-Semite, Nazi, Hatemonger, bigot, Skin head;" oh, what cruel and untrue names they would use upon Him--just like they do to us today who know the truth. What the heck happened to the Christian churches between the time that Jesus walked with them, and today. I could answer that for you....but you might not like the answer. But anyway, observe how the Master handled the situation:
That's what our Lord Jesus Christ had to say about them. Yet today: confused, beguiled, and misled, Judeo-Christians (pseudo-Christians) call them "God's chosen people" ! Excuse me?!? "God's chosen people"? "Chosen" for what? Their forefathers, their religion, and their religious leaders, killed Him for gosh sakes! Yet the churches, named after Him (Christ-Christian), conspire against the Biblical Christian church to "make nice" with the Jews (and the Muslims, and the Hindus, etc. ad nauseam...). Can the end be far off anymore! Now you can understand when Jesus mused sadly: "...Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8b). You likewise wouldn't like the answer to that rhetorical (not seeking nor requiring an answer) question. So, anyway, regarding my style of teaching; and with Jesus being our example.... Well, you do get the point, don't you? Rapturists think that they have brought down Heaven to them, not realizing the grave danger that they are in. Actually, I feel that I, speaking frankly and without beating around the bush; do the average Rapturist more good that their sweet-talking Rapture pals who tell them that everything is going to be Ok, while they are stampeding over the cliff. Personally, I would rather that someone sternly yelled at me, "STOP, LOOK, DON'T GO ANOTHER STEP!," before I walked out in front of the speeding truck--than to get run over while some bumbler is trying articulate an appropriate and "Christian-based" direction to me: "um, excuse me there; yoo-hoo; um, you are so loved, and; well, I am not judging you or anything; but, it is my humble opinion that you may very well; (oh, I so hate confrontations!), in some cases, that is; and let me preface this by saying, please understand that I mean you no offence; and it may be that you and I just see things a little bit differently on this matter, my good brother; but you may well be on the path to getting run over by that huge speeding truck that you are backing into the path of." SMACK! I'm flattened like pancake under the truck; while old wishy-washy Mr. lukewarm tries to say something without hurting my feelings. You get the point of my admitted hyperbole, I trust? And besides, it is very difficult to get someone's attention who has been studying the Bible for 20 years and get them to reexamine their doctrine (Rapture, for instance). However, sometimes when you come out blunt (but honest), these stubborn (stiff-necked) people, who think that they have all the answers, but do not; may well just get mad enough to try to prove you wrong. And in attempting this, they will discover that their Rapture doctrine is full of holes, and that it is not supportable in any competent Scriptural debate/examination. So; knowing that; perhaps you can understand why I don't play nice-nice with people who are damaging their own loved ones by spreading false doctrines. Can you imagine how many Rapturists during the Tribulation are going to look sideways at their parents and pastors who taught them the Rapture doctrine? Do you know how many Japanese and German Christians, of the Rapture persuasion, did the same during WWII? And Russian Christians in 1917 Russia, when the Jewish "Extraordinary Commission" (the cheka) in Russia (USSR) wholesale slaughtered 60 million of them? And how about TODAY, where, in Africa and China, and in other places far and wide where Christians are being tortured, 'disappeared', and murdered every single day. Where was their Rapture! And, while I find you to be one of the nicer Rapturists that I have met; the fact remains that for every Christian that you teach Rapture to, you are endangering one more person to loose their faith during the Tribulation, when, what they will perceive to be God's broken promise (Rapture), never happens. And in closing, I must however correct you on one thing. You embellished (added to what I said) my statement. Regarding what I said, you stated to/of me:
Sorry, I did not say "ALL" Rapturists, as you have claimed. A careful reading ofttimes will avoid the feeling of insult. In fact, a simple check of that Q&A that you refer to (Are Rapturists real Christians?) shows that I used phrases that would not include the whole lot of them; like, for instance, I stated:
Not ALL Rapturists are this or that (oh, how people get tangled-up in absolutes and "every's" where absolutes and "every" does not apply!). I never included all Rapturists in this. There is a difference, you know. For instance, you are a Rapturist, and you don't seem mean spirited. But then, you are coming out of the Rapture madness. So perhaps God had better plans for you. In other words, maybe you aren't mean-spirited because deep down inside you really aren't a Rapturist, therefore that spirit hasn't affected you? You do realize that a change has taken place within you, don't you? You will never again believe the Rapture hoax. And why? Because you compared it to Scripture and found it wanting. Good for you. But now that you know what won't happen, why not study further and find out what God wrote will happen during the tribulation. Then you will be a better and more useful servant to God in these swift approaching last days. Now, come on please; give me my due: you have sat with Rapturists, studied under them, congregated with them--can you honestly say that you haven't noticed an elitist, "we've earned Rapture, you're going to suffer in the Tribulation with the Catholics, etc., like you deserve," type attitude out of a good many of them (i.e., NOT all)? Or, at a time when they don't have their smiley fake Rapture face on, haven't you seen some lash out in almost hateful anger over their pet doctrine when challenged by Scripture? There is a spirit in that. I'll be looking for your reply. Peace. And is there any one so-called Rapture Scripture, that after hearing the truth on, documented, that would turn you forever from the Rapture fable? Feel free to supply your best "Rapture verse." I'll be nice with you, because you are nice. That's how I do it.
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Just what exactly was the "forbidden fruit" of the Garden of Eden?
A reader writes:
Hello again. You really are a sincere Christian. It is a pleasure dialoguing with you. It sure would be a shame to lose you in a Rapture before all of the Lord's work is done here on the Earth. :o) You ask:
Let's look at what "eating" (partaking) of this "tree" was purported to do for one. That way we can gain insight into Eve and Adam's motivations for violating God's command--and thus arrive at the exact nature of their sin. For, assuredly their sin was in transgressing the command (law) of God, as Saint John reveals:
That is the singular great answer to the question of, "what is a sin?" Paul tells us "what isn't a sin":
That is why Cain wasn't executed by God for murdering Able―there was not yet the command of God, "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." (Gen 9:6), given to Noah; later codified in the Ten Commandments to Moses for the people, as, "Thou shalt not kill." (Ex 20:13). And confirmed and clarified by Jesus Christ Himself, in, "Thou shalt do no murder" (Mat 19:18b). So when misguided Christians hold up signs protesting Capital Punishment, which read, "Thou shalt not kill," aimed at the State Executioner--not the convicted killer--they are not being correct. How's that for calling them "wrong" in a nice way? The point is, is that there is a vast difference in God's eyes between committing a murder and taking a human life. (See our: When a Christian takes a life) And the second great answer to the question of "What is sin?" Is this from John again:
Confirmed by Paul:
Call it God's "catch-all," for lack of a more dignified term. In other words, just because you can't find a specific sin in the Bible, doesn't mean that it isn't a sin. The standard is, is it unrighteous? That about covers them all, does it not? So all the computer hackers are now convicted of sin, though computers aren't mentioned specifically by name in the Bible. Perhaps the image of the beast is a super-computer? Not the first beast NWO itself, nor the second beast antichrist himself; but I speak of the "image TO the beast" (not "OF" the beast, as commonly misquoted here), which comes to "life" (animation, virtual reality, artificial intelligence, super capacity high-speed computers drawing from a world that has been rendered into a single database?) Who knows? We will know it when we see it, that's for sure. Especially us Christians! For, it shall be causing ungodly men to kill us.
Note on the conflicting words "to," and "of" in the above Scripture. Neither word is there in the Greek, they are both English words used where the Greek Definite Article occurs in the MSS. (MSS. = manuscripts. MS. = manuscript). The Greek reads "image [article] beast" in all three occurrences (two, of the beast; and one, to the beast"). No big deal, but the point is to not let the word "of" lock you into an interpretation of the Scripture, as it was (necessarily) added for readability. For, there is not English equivalent to the Greek Definite Article.) Note 2: The word "Definite Article" can cause confusion, for there is no such thing in the Greek as an "Indefinite article." But in the English the Definite Article would be "the," and the Indefinite Article would be "a" and "an". In other words, the part of a sentence called the Article, whether in English or Greek (or Hebrew) let's you know the difference between, say, a car, and the car.; a god, or the God. That is the power of the Article, it adds emphasis and sets off an object as being general or specific, common or great. Often times it let's us know which of a series is being referred to.
Which dog got scared??? In the English we would not know which dog got scared, the owner's dog or the fuzzy brown one; so in English we use words like "his" (or insert the owner's name; i.e., John's dog got scared), to specify which dog got scared. But this is not so in the Greek or Hebrew―they incorporate the Article to do what the extra English words did―that is, to let you know which dog got scared. In the Greek it would read something like this, "man traveled dog store saw dog fuzzy brown dog scared." But insert the article, and you have: "man traveled (art.) dog to dog store saw dog fuzzy brown (art.) dog scared." And to you Greek scholars out there; yes, I know about the Greek word autos, but I am making a point here. Bear with me. (Note: "autos" is a Greek word [#846] that means self-same; e.g., "his," "her," "its," etc.). But the point that I making is relevant to the below use of the Greek Article (Grk. #3588)
You notice in the above verse 14
of Revelation chapter thirteen, that the highlighted Article (#3588),
which precedes the word "beast",
At right is an Interlinear legend that will help you to understand the Interlinear excerpts we are currently observing. And now on to verse 15; below we see that the Article preceding "beast" is in the below line translated "of the", whereas in the above line it is translated "to the."
Source: PC Study Bible Version 4 Reference Library Plus, Interlinear Bible with Textus Receptus (KJV) Strong's numbers. So, just because an English word is "added" to the Greek translation, it does not mean that the Translators did a bad thing, oftentimes they needed to use more English words to translate a Greek or Hebrew sentence to make it readable; i.e., to make it say in the English what it says in the Greek or Hebrew. For instance, take the Greek word edothee in the Interlinear Legend above (smaller middle diagram above), you notice that it took four English words "had power to give" to translate this one Greek word! That is because of the different structures of the different languages. So don't let the "added word" thing scare you. And there are good added words and there are bad added words. thee aren't bad added words in the King James Bible Version (KJV), but all the newer versions (NIV, NASV, etc. et al.) are full of them; see our: Adulterations in the Newer Bible Versions (NIV, NASB...); Proof that the King James Bible (KJV) is the True Word of God. Anyway. Sorry, I am just rambling on and on here. Back to your question about what "eating fruit" did. Satan (the serpent) promised Eve that "eating" of the fruit of the tree in the midst of the garden, which God had commanded that she not eat of, would do several things for her. Eve discovered the following about partaking of this forbidden thing. Adam found out as well, but it was Eve who gave to Adam, the serpent gave to Eve:
The Scripture in whole:
But that doesn't answer your question, does it? What was this forbidden fruit? You should know it, you see it all around you. You have read of it in the early church. It is the basis of all the varied 'New Age" religions and disciplines, recomposed from the ancient mysteries which were a copy of the secrets which destroyed Eve then Adam. From satan to Eve to Adam through Cain to Sumeria (not Samaria), Assyria, Egypt, Babylon, Persia, back to Egypt, back to Babylon, to the Jews (not Israel) to the Turko-Mongoloid Khazar (the Ashkenazi Jews [95% of today's Jews true bloodline]), to Europe, to South America, to North America, and all points in between, at all times in history―the serpent and his doctrine slithered. Even creeping into the church of Christ so-called. You know it as that which, by and by, resurfaced as the Gnosticism of the early church, which almost capsized her, until they "persecuted" the early heretics (Gnostics) and finally suppressed the heresy―driving what remained of them underground. Their doctrine then being uncovered some nineteen centuries later in the Dead Sea Scrolls sparingly (found in 1947, in the Dead Sea caves), and in the Nag Hammadi texts specifically (found in 1945, in a river bank in Upper Egypt), being picked up from there by today's "seekers of hidden wisdom." this forbidden fruit is evident in the Eastern Religions today. It was the basis for Pharaoh worship in ancient Egypt, the ancestor worship of the Native Americans and native African tribes to this very day. It is the secret revealed in the Jewish Kabbalah specifically and the Jewish Talmud generally, which they both got from satan in Babylon (circa 500 B.C. to A.D. 500). And it is not all that far away from the foundations of the Pope worship which we observe in the Catholic Church. By it were made possible the Greek Gods, the Roman deities, the Hindu Pantheism. The Buddha, the Dalai Lama, Rev. Sun yung Moon, and all others endowed by man with more than mere humanity. And it is the one great thing that brought down Lucifer (satan):
The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which has woven and stung it's way through the course of mankind, even traversing Earth Ages; was mainly this: That man can become God. So was the sin of Eve and Adam; they believed the lie, swallowed the doctrine, descended to on-low, when they hearkened unto satan and his age-old heresy and lie: "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods...." (Gen 3:5a). But they aren't gods, none of the above litany of would-be's are; they are dying men not yet died; or, they are already dead and buried. Eve didn't become a deity, a god; she became mortal, she acquired a finite life span, taking her husband down with her. And satan (Lucifer) isn't God, he is condemned to the Lake of Fire, the final destination of the unredeemable, the eternal destruction, where all who follow him shall resort. And his holding place is the Bottomless Pit, his abode. He who had sought to be the King over kings and the Lord of lords, in the end attained only to the prince of the bottomless pit! All who seek godhood for themselves, all those who presume to be higher spiritual creatures than what God made man on the Earth, shall likewise share in satan's demise. 'How though art fallen, o lucifer', said our Lord God! Indeed! And how many will follow his pernicious ways? They are lining up now to do it as we speak! We have a study that illustrates one current form of this forbidden fruit doctrine: Anatomy of a False Doctrine. And once Lance Knight's "new" doctrine is fully revealed and codified into a teaching (indoctrination) format, look for it to follow along these same lines: "man as gods." Illuminated Ones (Illuminati), Ascended Masters (Tibetan, Eastern), Christs (New Age, Theosophy), Sons of God (apostate Charismatics), Manchilds (apostate Christian), etc. etc. etc. Many names, same doctrine―strait from the Garden of Eden, from one serpent to one woman, then to the world―coming to a church near you, soon. Sad! Blasphemy of the highest order even! Look for it, identify it, avoid it! For you shall see it, soon. Like Eve and then Adam, who would have lived forever―so to today are good men set for the death that does not quench, because they sought not to worship God, but become as Him.
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A reader writes:
Let me preface this by saying that, it is not to mock or ridicule them, that we comment here and elsewhere on the fall of Lance Knight and those who follow him; but rather, we do this to warn others who may be feeling drawn into this heresy. We supply below an excerpt of some of the "new" Lance Knight doctrine from one of his followers (Cathy) who runs his message group on Yahoo (which Lance supplies a link to from his Website). Caution! It is false doctrine; please don't let anyone become affected and/or deceived by it! I think it valuable to supply a sample of the doctrine (teaching) here, in a sterile environment, so that the reader may observe the magnitude and implications of the subtle words of these doctrines―without being exposed to the seductive influence of the evil spirits that led men and women to spawned it. The below type of doctrines,
when issued in a room full of people (presumably "deeper" Bible students
and "scholars") affirming it with "Amens," and with evil spirits
filling the air with a sort of "spiritual presence" (but a false evil
spirit, not the Holy Spirit of God)―can be quite a draw to a newer
student of the Bible who does not yet have a strong enough foundation
that would scream to them that this is evil and blasphemous. After
the below excerpt, we offer a Biblical response:
(Answer Cont.): Hi Xxxxxxxxxxx. Wow! They are way over the edge. What they are doing, is that they are chastising anyone who heeds Christ's warning. Jesus Christ Himself told us to be watchful, to be wary, to remain vigilant. But Lance and his host of demoniacs (people possessed by evil spirits) try to make us ashamed for watching out for the antichrist and the signs of the endtimes. Only an idiot, or a fellow demoniac, would heed anything that the fallen preacher Lance Knight and his dead-soul ghouls say! Observe, as Jesus Himself directs us to watch!
The highlighted phrases in the above from our Lord Jesus Christ indicate that He wanted us to take action, to actively observe, to weigh the signs of the times. Observe Christ's words calling us to be watchful:
So, when Lance and his demon infested followers say that we are "waiting for satan," (because we know from Jesus that satan comes first to deceive) they are accusing our Lord Jesus Christ of the same. For, it was He that told us that satan was coming first to deceive. These people are evil, demonic, insane with evil-spirit lust. They shall die out, and the eternity will be a better place without them. And any that they mislead and drag down to hell with them are of like character and deserve it. Water seeks its own level, and hell's mouth is gaping wide for this crew.
Any idiot who follows these bizarre people most likely wasn't really saved at all to begin with. They are just mating-up with their destiny. God has very good reasons for ordaining the Lake of Fire. It seems like in these endtimes we are living with a lot of these reasons. Lance is calling out the damned, and the pre-damned follow.
Now, some of the deceived would say: "but Lance and his followers use the name "Jesus Christ" all the time in their sermons and teachings, how are they then denying him?" Did not the demoniac following Paul around in the book of Acts even speak flattering words of Christ and His Apostles, yet she was still possessed:
So not every spirit that speaks sweet words is a good spirit, some are deceptive. Did not John warn us to test the spirits to see if they really are of God: [test, discern] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. KJV Jesus warned us that many say "Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ" with their mouths, but mean it not in their hearts: "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me." (Mat 15:8). Lance Knight's crew are denying the REAL Jesus Christ by saying that He is here now, when He is not. So the "Christ" that they speak of and work for, is not our Lord Jesus Christ, the Ever-Living Son of God.The truth of the matter is that Jesus Christ is yet in Heaven at this moment, at the right hand of the Father, as Scripture declares―waiting till His enemies be made His footstool. Lance and his followers are messed-up, but aren't yet a footstool. Therefore, by saying that He is here (presumably us being the Earthly manifestation of Him today, as Lance alludes), means that Lance and the rest of the dead shall, and do, deny the true Jesus Christ when He does return to this Earth to recompense His enemies with fire. Jesus himself told us that He must leave and go to the Father, but that He would send the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, to be with us until the great day of His return (at the Second Advent):
This is the end of times, and I suspect that we have only seen the beginning of satan's deceptions. These Lance Knight people were easy―it is scary how truly easy they were―they gave it up much to easy. And many of them had been diligent Bible students for tens of years!~ Only evil spirit agency could explain their abrupt turnaround. of course, had Jesus truly saved them, they would not be where they are now. So, you fill in the blanks. These aren't deceived Christians―they were never Christians to begin with―they were just play-acting to infiltrate the flock, fooling themselves along the way. Get to! Away with them quickly; lest they draw away others. Do I judge their salvation? No, that is not my place. I offer the below Scriptures by which they may judge themselves with their own words and actions:
Cull the flock, remove the dross. Remember Christ's words:
For a particularly sobering look, compare the above Scripture with the demoniac's speech, from Lance knight's message group, which we quoted at the start of this article!
“...But
I tell you Christ has come already
and you DENY it! But I tell you He is
casting out devils and healing the sick and giving sight to the
blind and hearing to the deaf and you DENY it!
I proclaim that in all these works that
the Lord God is doing this day is done because the Kingdom of
Heaven has come down unto you and you DENY it! And you say I
have a devil because I proclaim it!!! .
. . .
You deny the very Christ and
those
sent of Him who keep His commands and say But if
I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then
the kingdom of God is come unto you....” I don't pity Lance and his host of demon-possessed followers. Many have tried to show them the great error that they stumble into―but they do not care, their eyes are glazed over and rolling back in their head like a shark making the kill, drunk on the smell of spiritual blood. They are no longer victims; and like the mythical vampire, they began as victims, but went on to become the offender themselves. Nobody spares the vampire in the movie because he was once good; having once been infected, he becomes a mortal enemy; and is treated a such. Though the "vampire" is just make-believe Hollywood lore, it is true of the evil side of the spiritual realm. Evil spirits move from host to host, from person to person. That is why God said: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Ex 22:18), and, "Regard not them that have familiar spirits [i.e., evil spirits], neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God." (Lev 19:31). Had they been humble and had they been willing to consider the Scriptural corrections that many have tried to show them regarding their errant doctrines―they might not be enemies―but they will not listen, nor even consider. They are on a mission, but it isn't a mission from God. I am now angry with them, because they seek to kill the sheep; they work to make them dead like they themselves are spiritually dead and dying. They became enemies of Christ and church the moment they set out to draw Christians into their vile blasphemous doctrines of devils. They have made shipwrecks of themselves, and seek to set up reefs whereby to wreck others:
Being made into a " shipwreck" is not a good thing when we are speaking of "a good conscience", "holding faith", and "a good warfare"! The kid cloves must come off when the sheep of Christ are threatened with perdition. There is probably no quicker way to perdition than to presume oneself to be equal to God or to be fellow-gods. Sides must be picked, and let us not hear a word about "playing nice." You cannot play nice with an angry viper, you can only stomp his head, destroying him; or, be paralyzed and consumed by him. You cannot cut deals and make bargains with one who is seeking to destroy you to hell. Its time to quit playing games!Can Jesus Christ save them from their spiral fall down towards the abbyss? Of course He could, Jesus is Lord and God; but then, He could have stopped them before they began, had He chose to. Will He save them? Will He wink at their gross error while they draw others down with them? That is in the providence of God alone. If you have a loved one who has been seduced by these doctrines of devils; pray for them; for, as our Lord Jesus Christ has said: "And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." (Mk 10:27) Peace. PS: To any Bible student who would like a Biblical response to any of the new Lance Knight doctrines, which you feel may be being used to deceive you; write in with specific unaltered quotes; citing source, author, and date of issuance, to: Contact Editor (your name will not be used if you write in). With Lance Knight issues, I have elected to not even use the first names of those asking questions and supplying information.
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I am referring to your study of Matthew 24! Here is why, (A) God does not have to change his program with humanity [No He doesn't, He does not have to do anything. But He is the one (through Christ) who said that He did change it from the prophesies of Daniel to the prophecies of Revelation. So if Jesus says that God shortened the time, why do you have a problem with me repeating Christ's instruction? I refer to:
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Hello to you. I am sorry to be so behind in my mail, and that this reply is less than timely. But anyway. I don't see anything deeper in it regarding Adam's mission to bring men to God (which he failed in, but which the Second Adam, Christ Jesus, succeeded in). What I see is that before the Garden of Eden, there was no rain, but that plants were watered by the dew of the night. We know that there was water on the Earth, from the first day; because God parted the waters. But there was not rain. Another way that the first plants got water may have been the pull of the moon, which, as with the rising of the tides of the ocean, the moon also pulls the water table in the Earth up towards the surface. In the sixth day, the plants and animals are of the "Earth," but the Garden of Eden is called the "field" (two different words. I believe that the field, while being seeded, did not grow yet, but that, as we know from Gen 1:29, the plants of the "Earth" did grow to feed the first six days of creation. The below is a recap of these first six days of creation, which also mentions that the seeds were in the garden of Eden, but had not yet grown:
So, there was a mist that came up for the plants of the Earth, but that mist didn't reach the plants of the field (Eden). [Note: The phrase in the above, "before it was in the earth" would be problematic if not taken in context. Further comment on this could be made at a later date, if required] Next would come Adam in the Garden of Eden (the field). And his plants would be watered by a river, and grow:
I believe perhaps that there was no rain anywhere on the Earth until the Flood of Noah, though I can't at this time show Scriptural documentation for that assumption (but we do first see the word "rain" in the Bible at Gen 7:4, referring to the coming Flood of Noah). And that the waters above the firmament (Gen 1:6-7) were the great source of the billions of trillions of metric tones of deluge waters (Gen 7:11b), along with water coming up out of the Earth (Gen 7:11a).
So that when the waters ceased falling from the sky, it then that finally the sun could show through, which is why Noah saw the rainbow. Before these waters in the sky fell, the sun was not seen (though it was there (Gen 1:15-16), perhaps casting dim light through the waters in the sky. But perhaps that is why men didn't age as fast back then―no solar radiation. For after the deluge of Noah, the lifespan of man was abruptly shortened. This possibly would explain that. (PS: Don't forget that there was light on the Earth before the sun [Gen 1:3].) Also to be gleaned from this, is that Eden was probably on an elevated plateau, which is why it did not receive the waters from the "dew," which naturally settles in lowlands and valleys; and/or the waters pulled up towards the surface during the moon's gravitational pull, being in a high place not close to the underground water table. If this is the case, it would lend support to one of the contemporary speculations that the original Eden was on the Pamir Plateau in modern day central Asia. (Note: "Pamirs, mountainous region of central Asia, located mainly in Tajikistan and extending into NE Afghanistan and SW Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, China." ― http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/P/Pamir.asp Regarding this possible location for the Garden of Eden, observe the following excerpt from "Addendum to Noah's Flood", by CTI (Comparet):
Note: The book mentioned in the above excerpt is,
Peace.
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Tribulation times, where is satan today, when is he cast down to Earth?
Hello to you. I am sorry to be so behind in my mail, and that this
reply is less than timely. May I just copy & paste the pertinent part
of the body of your E-mail here, and insert my comments and answers
[in blue bracketed text, as this]
along the way? I think that this the easiest and clearest way to
respond to an E-mail such as yours which covers many topics and points.
Ok? WBSG Answer inserted in letter:
[Next is HEAVEN BELCHING OUT ANTICHRIST; future; circa: month 42 of Tribulation] 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. [Next is the SECOND PART OF TRIBULATION; future; circa: commences months 43-47 of Tribulation. The end of which immediately precedes the Second Advent of Messiah Jesus Christ] 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old
serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceived the whole
world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out
with him. KJV [Don't you wish that
you would have posted the rest of the Scripture? :o)
But had you continued down in your Scripture, down to verse
14, you would have seen direct correlation to Daniel, which
is specifically speaking only of the SECOND part of the
Tribulation:
Revelation 12:14
Daniel 12:6-7 Here, there is a dragon with only 7 heads 10 horns and only 7 crowns, which I thought brought us back to the 1st earth age [you are correct. In this age, in the first part of the Tribulation, satan's system has an extra three crowns (Rev 13:1)] with him being cast out after the attempted over throw then being cast down at that point! [Here's where you messed up, not considering the times and seasons, and not rightly dividing in regards to "WHEN." I believe that the above has helped to clarify?] NOTE: The Tribulation is in two parts, but the word "halves" is not correct; for, the first 42 months, which satan (antichrist) is NOT here physically (but is spiritually controlling from his place of holding in "Heaven") is the first part; and the second part is the 5 months wherein satan IS here physically as the antichrist. The 5 month period follows the first 42 months, making the Tribulation somewhere about 47 months long, shortened from Daniel's original 84 months (7 years). As you notice, I vary from Pastor Murray on these times. But PM is one of my favorites, and one of the best (a class that I also put Bullinger in; and few, if any, others). But you must decide what the Scriptures reveal to you. In my upcoming book, God willing, I am going to be exactly laying out the times and seasons of the Great Tribulation. I have the outline and format, but have not yet completed it. Watch for it on the Website. Peace to
you.
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| Back To Top | The Overnight fall of Pastor Lance Knight and his Flock
(with audio excerpts of Lance's heretical 'teachings')
[Editor's Note: These "Lance Knight" Q&A's are not in chronological
order as to the time which we have received them at WBSG. Sorry if
this has caused any confusion. Many times we answer a readers question
in an E-mail, and it may take weeks and months for it to appear on the
Website. Also, not all questions answered are placed on the Website,
only the ones that we feel are relevant to a general wider audience.
Some questions are of a personal nature and are never seen by anyone other
than the person who asked the question. -Ed.] We present below a letter from a Pastor Lance Knight infectee (for it is an infection, a spiritual infection). And in that letter you shall observe the startling tactics used to bring Christians away from sound Bible teachers, and into Lance's audience. But first allow me to lay some groundwork and to explain why I am going to such great lengths to debunk the doctrines of devils that Lance Knight woke up and one day began teaching. And it is not as though I have jumped past Lance and just decided one day to attack his doctrine without first trying to reach him. Nor is it that I enjoy this task. I am aware of the Scripture:
And I have tried to personally reach out to Lance, to help him; but he has refused to answer any inquiry by myself. Which is not surprising, as the antichristian spirit residing in Lance cannot abide the Christian spirit in myself. Which says a lot about Lance's students, whom he apparently has no difficulty engaging. But anyway, Scripture tells us to depart from those who teach lies and error like Lance's which are designed solely to deliver Christians into the hands of antichrist:
So therefore, by Scriptural warrant of the above verses, I left off of trying to help Lance, and moved on to exposing the doctrine that he teaches as demonic. For, Lance and his inner circle of students may be lost, but there are many newer Bible students that are running into this type of doctrine daily, and consideration for their well-being supersedes any charity to Lance's memory. They must be warned. Does Pastor Lance know that he is leading Christians to antichrist? I really think that Lance is so far gone with demonic possession that he doesn't even know who he is or what he does. Perhaps in that is room for his forgiveness. Let God judge. But today we shall discern a bit of Lance's doctrine. And this we do as a means to warn-off the weak among the flock who might haplessly wander into the wolf den thinking that he saw sheep there. When Pastor Lance Knight first went into his "transformation" (from Christian Pastor—to demoniac agent) I refrained from making comments on the issue. For two months I said nothing publicly (but only in private with Christian friends). I had seen some of Lance's work of old, and it was pretty much sound doctrine, with a few errors in prophecy interpretation. But prophecy interpretation is not an exact science, as new info comes in while we near the endtime, and this new info necessarily clarifies the Biblical prophecies more and more. So prophecy interpretation is an art, but it is not perfect. So I don't hold that against Lance (error in prophecy). What I do hold against Lance is his new move to lead Christians to antichrist. Now, his most devoted follower's will adamantly deny they
are moving closer to antichrist, they think that they have been "godded,"
they think to have become superior beings. lance himself has all but
plainly come out and say that he is Archangel Michael, whom he says is one
of the two Witnesses here TODAY! Below is an excerpt from a letter
prepared by a Lance ex-staffer who left Lance's ministry after Lance went
off into bizarre false doctrine:
Lance's inner core of 'students' will try to adamantly deny that Lance claims to be the Archangel Michael. You decide for yourself. Lance also routinely refers to a Christian learning Scripture from their trusted pastors as, "buying and selling," which Lance asserts is the buying and selling found in Revelation:
Now let's go to some short audio clips of just two of Lance's (public) teaching sessions. Please, as you listen to these, understand that it is false doctrine! The problem with all of this is that if you teach that satan the antichrist has already come, and that Jesus Christ is near to return, when antichrist hasn't even been here yet (which he hasn't): then the next thing that your students are waiting for is the return of their God. They are being programmed to worship the next supernatural entity that comes to Earth. They are being told that this will be Jesus Christ, but we know from Scripture that the false christ (antichrist) must come first! Talk about jumping the starting gun! Thus, all who follow Lance are going to worship the wrong christ, they are going to worship antichrist, not the true Jesus Christ! And sadly they are being set up to fulfill the below Scripture in THEMSELVES when Jesus Christ finally does come here for His Second Advent!
Click the below icons to hear short audio clips of Lance's "new" doctrine:
Now to some of Lance's handiwork, that being the ill effect that he has had on his students, many of whom have tried haunting me because I debunk Lance's work: A Lancite (a Lance Knight follower) writes to us at WBSG:
Hello Xxxxxxx. Are you implying that I am lying? Rightly divide according to time. At the time that I read and answered that Q&A I had never so much as heard of "thine is the power...". After receiving a second reference to that place, I decided to search it out. Once I got there, I noticed that I could not read anything there unless I signed up. So, I signed up. I read a little there and noticed that it was indeed "Lance doctrine." I thought to go back at a later time to DEBUNK IT, when I had more time; but I never got there (I think I logged in a total of twice). Then, about a week after I first went there, someone E-mailed me and said that they noticed that I was a member at "thine is the...". Realizing that Lance's crew are the type of individuals to play up that I am a "member," to try to lend credibility to the trash on that site, I took my name off. And, as I feared: you are the second Lancite (Xxxxxxx was the first) to claim that I am a student of that spiritual filth. So, for one: I don't appreciate demoniacs calling me a liar. And, two, That doctrine is dripping with spiritual blood; and all who get draw-in shall risk spiritual death. Shame on you people for being so disingenuous and pretending that I am somehow a student of that blasphemous doctrine! I guess that's how you folks become after you become possessed over Lance's doctrines of devils. Get thee hence satan, in Jesus Christ's powerful name! _____________________________________________________________________ God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name! Nick Goggin
Xxxxxx writes back:
You stated:
and:
The subtle shot at me in the last line above is not lost on me. In other words, in your mind, you "would not presume to override FATHER'S will for [me]"; i.e., "i do not lead anyone anywhere, the leading is done by FATHER GOD". In other words, the subtle undertone is that, I am in danger of "not making it," because I am "not being led" by "FATHER GOD" into Lance's "new" doctrine. Nice try Xxxxxxx; I wonder if this threatening approach works on newer Bible students? How many have you guys converted to hell by the promise of this grand wisdom? I refer to it as Lance's "new" doctrine, placing the word new in quotation marks, because it is not really new doctrine at all, it is from of old:
And if you don't like being associated with Lance Knight's host, then quit talking like them, and quit taking snips of Scripture and using it in your sentences―as though they are your own words. They aren't your words, they are Christ's words―and you ain't Jesus Christ! Xxxxxx [another Lancite] does this incessantly. When you quote Scripture, give citation as to book, chapter, and verse. And quit sending people to Cathy's forum where Lance-type doctrine is expressed, it is a portal to hell. You yourself are a moth flying dangerously close to the flame. I get so tired of people doing and then saying, we aren't doing. You know, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck; guess what? It's a duck! The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ was the Temple of God which he raised in three days (resurrected). Lance says the Temple of God is us. Lance also says that Jesus is here. Put that all together! He also says that antichrist is here, presumably "temple-ing" in those who disagree with Lance. Lance is calling you—Christ; and he is calling his opponents—antichrist. This is a familiar tactic of fear mongering, manipulation, intimidation, and peer-pressure, used in all the cults Wake up, and smell the coffee! Also, you said:
You worshipped Pastor Murray!?! What the hell was wrong with you? PM never asked for you to worship him. And if you had walked up to Pastor Murray and called him "Lord" or told him that you worshipped him—he would have rebuked you in Jesus Christ's name, for high blasphemies! God's written Word said that you were to worship none other than Him!
Even the mighty angels of God rebuke those who worship anyone other than God:
And it is a crying shame that I actually have to supply Scripture to a Christian to document for them that they are not to worship men, they are not to worship their pastors and teachers!
And how, pray tell, did you exercise this "i was worshipping a man" stuff? Did you pray to Pastor Murray? Did you sacrifice to him? Did you fall at his feet? Did you call him God? Did you waift incence to him like the Catholics do to Mother Mary idols and other dead men made Catholic saints? Just exactly how did you, as YOU SAY, worship Pastor Murray? I'm sorry, but you are more screwed up that at first thought. So, you are an admitted worshipper of man (a grave sin—Ex 20:2-5), and now Lance Knight with his "God is in us, thus we are" doctrine is gonna save you? You jumped from one man to another.
Repent, if you have violated the above by worshipping a man! But, let's face reality here. You never really worshipped Pastor Murray, nor any other man, did you? No, you did not. But Lance has corrupted you inside to make you think that you have worshipped a man. Think about this: Do you remember how you felt inside, before hearing Lance's "new" doctrines, before the evil spirits spread to you? How that you were content, and how you loved the Lord and how you enjoyed Pastor Murray's (and other's) teachings of the Bible? And look at you now, after having been spiritually infected by Lance Knight and his host of demoniacs―you are all confused inside, admitting to high (damnable!) blasphemies that you didn't even commit! That is the confusion that Lance sows. Need I remind you that "For God is not the author of confusion" (1 Cor 14:33a)? And it is all designed to get you AWAY from studying with Pastor Murray. And not just from Pastor Murray, Lance forbids his followers from studying under any Bible teacher (except of course, himself); though God ordained teachers and pastors in the Bible! So what the heck is Lance talking about, anyway, regarding when he pounds on the podium, saying, "don't listen to any man"? They're listening to Lance, aren't they? Isn't Lance a man? No, Lance thinks that he far more than a mere man―he has very strongly alluded to being Archangel Michael, whom he says is one of the Two Witnesses (of Rev chpt. 11), incarnated in the flesh, and walking amongst us NOW! God sent teachers, are we not to listen and compare what they teach with Scripture?!?! Below is what satan and Lance don't want you know:
Satan, through Lance and his fellow demoniacs, want you to forget the warnings that Pastor Murray has drawn out FROM THE SCRIPTURES (!) to alert you to the coming danger―because Pastor Murray, with the blessings of God, has done much damage to satan's plans by alerting the people; like any true watchman does. That is why Pastor Murray has been singled out by Lance Knight. Lance, with his spiritually filthy mind has even called Pastor Murray the "...the tree which is in the midst of the garden" (Genesis 3:3a)! That was satan in the midst of the Garden; Lance knows that; which is why he said it. Lance called Pastor Murray, satan!!! And you, and Lance's other mesmerized overthrown souls, have sucked it up and drank it down. There is another cup that you may well drink from, coming at the end of the Tribulation, when God returns to judge this Earth by fire; it is called the cup of the wrath of Almighty God. And even now you spread the liable and false witness against a Christian Pastor. And if you really weren't worshipping Pastor Murray (which I suspect that you weren't, but were just lied to by a familiar [evil] spirit), then what spirit was it really that entered you and taught you, as you say: "i am not a student of Lance Knight's. the only thing he made me realize, thru the HOLY SPIRIT, is that i was worshipping a man"??? Well, the Holy Spirit doesn't lie. So if this spirit, that you picked-up from Lance Knight, has "made [you] realize" that you were "worshipping a man", then it wasn't the Holy Spirit of God. And if it was not of God, then whom was it from?
Like I said, dabbling in Lance's "new" doctrine will invite demons into you, as you see. That is why I called you a demoniac (a demoniac is simply a person cavorting with evil spirits; i.e., is possessed by them). Now, repent, and get on the ball; and get into serious sober Scripture study; and quit playing with familiar spirits from Lance Knight! And most of all--quit sending people to that doctrine and forum! You shall answer for every soul, that gets into this doctrine by your hand, and thereby becomes shipwrecked. Every single one! People think that we are playing in these end times! Satan is playing for keeps, so too is God. pick a side and get on it. But, quit doing all this blasphemous stuff, and then say that you "aren't doing it." You already have just admitted to idolatry, by your own mouth, in your above quote. That's were Lance Knight will lead all who follow him―into blasphemy. And even worse than that (if it were possible), Lance is leading his followers into worshipping antichrist. For, if as Lance says, that antichrist is already here, and that were are in the Seventh trump--then all that was to transpire before then has been fulfilled. And all that is left to happen is for Jesus Christ to return at His Second Advent and gather His tom Him. So lance's crew will run to him. But there is a problem. Antichrist isn't here yet, and it isn't the Seventh trump. Ergo, the next supernatural entity coming here claiming to be God is satan (antichrist). You are all being set-up to fall and to worship satan as God. Proving the Scripture:
You've already admittedly worshipped a mere human man, how easy will you be to deceive into idolatrous worship when the supernatural antichrist arrives here showing you miracles! And just how many more people would Lance have been able to lead to hell if he had been allowed to perform miracles, like antichrist shall be allowed to do?
You were easy, you fell for Lance Knight. How much trouble do you suspect that antichrist shall have with you? I'm glad that I am not you! But nevertheless, it is not yet too late for you. What will you do now?
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| Back To Top | Can we pray asking for a good Christian spouse?
Yeah, you bet you can! I know someone who had been doing so for quite some time. :o) Was he discouraged because God didn't drop on Christian beauty on his head the moment that he asked for her? No, of course not. And really, I'd rather that He waited until it was right in His eyes—then I would know that it will work. When we rush, when we push things; that's when we jump the gun and make bad choices. When God is ready, it just happens. When God decides to make a change in our life—no matter what kind of change—things start happening overnight, in an hour even. I have seen it myself! The problem, for us, is that God is patient—very patient. One day with Him is a thousand years to us. So if He even sneezes, it's a couple of years more waiting time for us.
God's patience is a good thing if we are messing up, but it isn't such a good thing when we are going to the movies alone. :o) But anyway, He likes when we ask Him for things like that. Much better to ask for a good Godly spouse than to ask to win the Lottery (though the odds are about even nowadays anymore). :o) A spouse is a very important thing in a person's life, it is the second most important choice that you will make after devoting yourself to the Lord God through Jesus Christ in faith and obedience. And a good spouse can make a person, and a bad one can break a person. And He also likes that we are seeking, above all, a Christian spouse. I trust that you are. I couldn't even fathom being united with an Atheist, Muslim, or Jew, etc. No Jesus Christ-haters for me―I'd rather die alone than to have a pagan in my house. Yuck! There is another component to this, though. I wonder if you have considered the fact that, if God sends you someone, then He necessarily sends you to someone else. And if you aren't right, haven't got your head on strait; if you enjoy cheating on your women, beating them, or just being mean; if you're a drug addict, a drunk, a lazy non-worker—then it would not be fair of God to send some poor nice Christian girl your way, only to be trampled upon. So, get yourself right, then look for Mrs. Right. Same goes for the women out there. God will lead us to our match, if we ask Him, believing that He shall. Now, what we do when we find him/her, is all up to us. But, the older you get, the more you come to the realization that there isn't an unlimited supply of Mr. & Mrs. Rights out there. Cherish the one you have, if you have. And if you don't have, then don't mess up once our Lord does answer your petition. Patience; use the time to improve yourself: go on a diet, work out, Bible study, go back to school. And remember, what the Lord gives, He can take back, if you break the contract. What's the contract? You know, it's what you have been saying to Him whilst you asked. You did make Him some promises along the way, haven't you? I hope so. If He is to send a nice sweet Christian girl to you, you had better have made some promises and stated your intents. Just like you do when you ask a father for his daughter's hand in marriage. Well, God is our ultimate Father, and that girl which you desire is His daughter. And know this: That while at the present time it does not seem so, but, all the long waiting fades away once you've found 'em. And take comfort in this, all you good Christians who are alone; and I know that you are many: "...for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him." (Matthew 6:8b). And many times in our life, He is already answering our prayers before we even know to pray them. ________________________________________________________________________ God bless the study of His Word, in Jesus Christ's name! Nick Goggin
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