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QUESTION LIST #8:

 

  1. How can we know that the Israelites didn’t make up GOD

  2. Are there books 'missing' from the Bible?

  3. Is the situation of some peoples lives an unbreakable unfair destiny? Also: Abortion

  4. The danger of false books of so-called scripture claiming to be among the true Scriptures of God

  5. Was Cain a 'Giant?'

  6. Was all of mankind unfairly punished for Adam's sin?

 

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Question #6
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Was all of mankind unfairly punished for Adam's sin?

 

Christian writes:

Dear Sir\Madam, I'm not sure who to send this email to. Could you please forward it to the right person. Thanks.

I have a question regarding the study of the garden of Eden and its symbolic meaning. When and how did sin enter into 'ALL' of mankind? The bible says (in Romans I think) that sin entered through one man (Adam) and was overcome by one man (Jesus). So how did sin enter 'ALL' of humanity if only Adam and Eve ‘ate' of the forbidden ‘tree'? Wouldn't that mean that all the other people created on the sixth day were still holy and without sin? I would really appreciate if you could clear this up for me as I have found your teachings to be amazing so far.

Regards, Christian.

P.S. If this is a point you have not yet considered, and you would like time do more research, I would still appreciate an answer stating your position on the point I raised. I am eager to know whether or not you have an answer for my query, or if you need to do more research. Other than that, your interpretation seems to fit like a glove. Thanks in advance.

Answer:

        Thank-you Christian (and I like your name) for the kind words of encouragement, our Heavenly Father's Word is truly amazing, for in it He tells us of all things, as Jesus said: "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things" {Mk 13:23}.  and again: "And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe" {John 14:29}.

        You ask an excellent question Christian, a deep question that could only be asked by someone who understands much in the Word of God.  I must however, make note here to the general reader: It is absolutely necessary, imperative even, for the reader to have as foundation, an understanding of the three earth ages, see: When was Thee beginning?, and an understanding that Adam and Eve were not the first two humans on earth, but rather the first two of the ‘Adamites' (descendants of Adam) on earth, see: Mankind; two separate 'creation events'.  Also see:  What was the Real sin in the Garden of Eden?.

        Ok, you reference {Romans chapter 5} which we shall shall draw heavily from here in our exegesis.  You mention that you feel that perhaps, based on {Romans Chpt. 5}, those created on the sixth day may have been sinless, and thus punished unfairly for what Adam did.  But that is not really what it is saying, as we see, it states that the ‘world' (6th day creation) was not imputed (charged) with sin, observe: "For until [before] the law, sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed [charged] when there is no law" {Rom 5:13}.  (I trust that you are using the reliable King James Version Bible).  It does not say that they were not doing things that we now (since the Law of Moses) call sin.  For without God first saying to us:  "Thou shalt not...," there is no wrong nor penalty in doing the particular thing.  

        In other words, doing something that God doesn't want done, is not a sin until God says "Don't do this, or don’t do that;"  Then it becomes sin to do the thing because you have been told and warned not to do it.  You are then and only then accountable for that particular deed.

        Adam violated the first command of God, which was:

Gen 2:16-17
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil’, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (KJV)

        Prior to this we have no record of God giving Law to His creation other than telling them  to "...Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over..." {Gen 1:28}, which they did.

        And not to complicate the matter or get off the subject, but Cain, while he was indeed the murderer of his brother Able, was not charged by God as a murderer would be charged according to God’s law of ‘life for life’.  For it was not until after the flood of Noah that God first gave the specific command against murder: "Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man" {Gen9:6}.

        And above, as with all commands of God, He also gave us the consequences for violating same, i.e., "by man shall his blood be shed".  God did not have Adam to execute Cain for his transgression, with was his duty under Old testament Hebrew Law as the father of the victim;  But the Law was not yet given unto man.  We know from the Law (Torah: Genesis-Deuteronomy) which was given to Moses on the Mount, that all murderers are to be tried fairly and promptly executed by stoning.  But God, while He did ‘try’ Cain for killing Able and indeed found him guilty {Gen 4:1O}, He did not execute His own Law upon him, which calls for the death penalty.  Cain was simply cast out of the Garden of Eden, for he did not belong there because of his deed.  God even went so far as to protect Cain from others (6th day creation) who might seek to kill him {Gen 4:1 5}.  This would be strange treatment for a murderer had we not understood that Cain could not have violated a law which was not yet given unto men.

        But the sixth day creation were not ‘holy’ by any means, for as it is written: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" {Rom 3:23}.  And again it is written:  "There is none holy as the Lord: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God" {1st Sam 2:2}, and again: "And Jesus said unto him, why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" {Mark 10:18}.  And also in our Romans Scriptures it is written that men (6th day creation) sinned before there was even the first Law given (to Adam):  "For until [before] the law, sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed [charged] when there is no law" {Rom 5:13}.

        So yes, the sixth day peoples did bad things and were by no means 'holy,' just as the eighth day people (Adam, Eve, Cain, Able, Seth...), but they (6th day creation) were not guilty (held accountable) in their sins because there was not yet the Law given.  And it is the Law that reveals 'misdeeds' as sins:  "The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law" {1 Cor 15:56}.  Understand that we are speaking of a time much unlike ours, were-in the creation was just then beginning to be nudged and guided by God toward righteousness and the eventual salvation that was to come thousands of years later through Christ Jesus.

        So when you read in Romans: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that [because] all have sinned" {Rom 5:12}, you must understand that sin could only have been committed by the man Adam first because he received the Law from God first, i.e., regarding the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil.  Therefore, while there were 'misdeeds' done in the world, sin had not entered the world until the first Law was given and violated, this simply happened to fall upon Adam, thus, through Adam sin entered the world because through Adam the Law entered the world.  

        But the others (6th day creation) were punished for their own sins that were only brought to light with the giving of the Law. We have stated that the first commandment (Law) of God was in regards to 'the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil’, but God gave many other laws that we often don’t notice in Scripture.  For instance, Cain and Able both gave offerings unto the Lord when they reached manhood.  This is continued on throughout the Old Testament as law: "Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD" {Exod 30:14}, many simply do not know how far this went back, for it started all the way back in {Gen 4:3-4}, observe: " 3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.  4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof.." {Gen 4:3-4}.

        Now as touching on the ‘death’ entering into the world because of Adam’s sin in the Garden of Eden (Eve’s sin is included in this but she is not named because she was the inferior to Adam as wife and thus not mentioned specifically in the Scripture of Romans).  Observe here: "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee" {Gen 3:16}And please, to the many many women readers we have at WBSG, you know that I do not put down women in any way, in fact, I go to great lengths to show the use of women in the plan of God and in the fulfillment of many prophesies, i.e., {Joel 2:28 & Acts 2:1 7} for example.

        But because of Eve’s sin (who committed it first) she was placed in a subservient position to her husband. Even today, when there is a major ‘head-butting’ in the household, does not the man more often than not ‘get his way’ whether it be the right way or not?  I say that not as a constant turning of events, but most generally the man does ‘wear the pants’, and the wife wants it so.  Oftentimes with the wife’s permission if you know what I mean.  basically, I am saying to women, don't let this become a stumbling block to you; What is, is, because God had it to be that way.  But all souls are the children of God equally and He expects much good things from all.  And besides, the husband is to the wife as Christ is to the Church - Christ died for the church! {Eph 5:23}.

        But back to ‘death’ entering into the world because of Adam’s sin in the Garden of Eden: It says in our Romans Scripture: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by [because of, as a result of] sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" {Rom 5:12}.  In other words, because of sin 'death entered into the world', i.e., death commenced, death began to be something that happens, it became a thing known.  

        Prior to Adams fall, he did not have an appointed time to die, he did not die, he was not 'mortal' so to speak; in other words, had not Adam sinned he would have lived forever, as well as those not yet under the Law, meaning those of the sixth day peoples.  Perhaps it was because of how the others were becoming that Adam was formed and sent, for through Adam came Christ Jesus thousands of years later (Adam is the great ancestor to Jesus on mother Mary's side, God was Jesus' Father), and through Jesus comes eternal life.  That would explain the some two-thousand year gap between the CREATING of mankind (man and women at the same time {Gen 1:27} and the FORMING of Adam in the Garden of Eden {Gen 2:7} with Eve being MADE from Adam, taken from Adam later on in {Gen 2:22}.

        Of course God knew that Adam would fall, for God already had in place in the Garden of Eden the 'Tree of Life' which was Jesus Christ before His time.  Think this not odd, for Melchizedek also was Jesus before His His time {Gen 14:18, Psm 110:1-4, Heb 7:3}, observe:

Heb 7:1-3
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.  (KJV)

        Yes, Jesus was the 'Tree of Life', or, 'the Tree that giveth Life' in the Garden of Eden, and satan (as the serpent) was the 'tree of the knowledge of good AND evil', or, 'the tree that taketh away life.'

        Let's dive a little deep here:  Let's realize the difference between adam (mankind) and Adam (Adam from the Garden).  We see in {Gen 6:3} that Adam (the word man used here is haa-Aadaam in the Manuscripts, meaning, The man Adam (8th day) and his progeny (offspring); not aadaam which simply means mankind, or the sixth day men and their families.  In the Hebrew language the word aadaam means mankind).  Now when you place the definite article (haa) and the particle ('eth) with aadaam, you have 'eth- haa-aadaam = This very same Man Adam.  It is very emphatic, it is speaking of one particular individual out of all.  eth- haa-aadaam occurs in {Gen 2:7,8,15} and {Gen 6:4} (list not comprehensive). These articles (haa) and particles ('eth) are not used in English as they are in Hebrew.  

Hebrew word #853: 'eth
Sign (marker) of the definite direct object, not translated in English but generally preceding and indicating the accusative case

Below we see that what is translated as 'daughters of men' is really 'daughters of the man Adam,' there is a difference!

Gen 6:2
2 That the sons of God
[the fallen angels] saw the daughters of men [female progeny of The Adam (from the Garden)] that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.  (KJV)

In the Hebrew language there are four principle words rendered 'man' in our English translation of the Old Testament Hebrew Bible:

  1. Aadaam = denotes his origin, as from the dust of the "Adamah." man or mankind. 
  • Aadaam with the article it is haa-aadaam = The man Adam.  
  • Aadaam with the article and particle it is eth- haa-aadaam = this very self-same man Aadaam (very emphatic).
  1. 'Ish = in regards to sex, male.
  2. 'Enosh = has regards to his infirmities, as physically mortal, and as to character, incurable. Know for their moral depravity.
  3. Geber = has regards to strength, a mighty man.

In {Gen 6:4} we see three out of the above four, as well as the Giants which is Napiliym or of the fallen

Gen 6:4
4 There were giants
[= Ha-Napiliym] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men [=daughters of (the man) 'Adam], and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men [= Geber] which were of old, men of renown [= Enosh].  (KJV)

(See The Companion Bible, appendix 14, for more on this)

        But anyway, in {Gen 6:3} Adam had become like the rest of the mankind, i.e., corrupt, sinful like the 6th day creation, and thus all their lives were shortened to a maximum of 120 years.  Thus they had become 'mortal', meaning, liable to die someday.

        I would dare to say that the one or two people recorded in history to have lived longer than 120 years could be attributed to the poor birth-record keeping in past times, but then at the same time I would not feel comfortable limiting God from being able to make an exception to the 120 year life-span rule either.  So you decide how you reason that, but only a small handful are claimed (in secular, non-religious books) to have lived past 120 years of age, and then it is only a couple more years longer.  In other words, I place my trust in the Bible over the Guinness Book of World Records, which itself admits that it is difficult to document the birth dates).   

        And this brings up another fact.  In {Gen 6:3} it states that man (The Adam's progeny) became sinful (as in fleshly, sinful) and had his years cut to 120 years.  But in the beginning of the Bible we see the descendants of Adam living very long lives, but their life spans tapered off after the Flood of Noah and gradually became as they are today, a maximum of 120 years.  Thus fulfilling the punishment of the removal of eternal from Adam (et al) in the Garden until it was once again restored through Christ Jesus on the cross by the grace of God unto all believers.  Observe:

Gen 2:17
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.  (KJV)

        And this was fulfilled, for a day with the Lord is as a thousand years with man (see below).  Also, 'Methuselah' was the longest living person ever, he lived for 969 years {Gen 5:27}, fulfilling the prophecy, for the oldest man was still 31 years short of a day with the Lord:

2 Pet 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.  (KJV)

        God has it all covered.  So then, might one say that it was not fair that all of mankind (6th day creation) were become mortal (liable to die, going to die some day) since they did not eat of the forbidden tree?  No, God is not unfair!  They were by no means any better than Adam, they were just under divine grace until the Law was established, they no more deserved eternal life than Adam and Eve, and had they been presented with the commandment not to partake of the forbidden tree surely they would have also fallen as Adam and Eve had. They (the 6th day creation) suffer death for what they themselves do, it was just that before the Law they were blanketed with pardon. But once the Law began to be establish then men began to be held accountable.

        I would also like to point out to the reader that the very reason that this present second earth age became necessary was because of the rebellion in the first earth age, wherein one-third of God’s children (our souls) joined satan in an overthrow attempt, which God swiftly put down and then He promptly destroyed (Katabole, see the The Companion Bible, appendix 146) that first earth age. You can read more on this in When was The beginning?.

        Let me use this opportunity to clear up a matter that is heavy on the hearts of many parents who have had stillborn, aborted children, or children who have died at a very early age.  The concept of "The Original Sin" that the Catholic Church holds as dogma (beliefs, teachings) to mean that helpless innocent babies are not born innocent, but rather born in a sinful state deserving punishment in Purgatory (a mythical’ place) unless the Catholic Church absolves them is nothing more than a false blasphemous dogma of vicarious punishment

        This pagan concept of vicarious punishment is an unholy perversion of the true Vicarious Atonement of the suffering and forgiveness of Christ on the cross for all repentant & believing sinners.  God does not punish one for the other’s sin, and babies are not charged with any sin untie they reach the age of accountability, which is reached at different ages for every child based upon what they can understand and thus be required of.  What kind of God do they think we serve anyway? The Almighty Father of all souls, creator of all things, punishing infants and fetuses even?!?  Shame on them for even thinking that of God, and shame on those whom believed it!:

Jer 31:29-30
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.  (KJV)

        Well Christian, I hope that answered your question, we should have liked to better explain to the reader about the three earth earth ages and the two separate creation events. But time and space do not allow.  The reader is instead referred to two Bible studies on our site that explain these things in great detail:  When was The beginning?, and, Mankind; two separate 'creation events'.  see also: What was the Real sin in the Garden of Eden?.

God bless you Christian; Nick, (Editor) WBSG

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Question #5
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Was Cain a 'Giant?'

 

Diane asks:

Nick, WHEN satan had sex with EVE, he was a spirit angel, and EVE was of flesh, WHY wasn't CAIN, his offspring, a giant then??  Did CAIN know his father was satan and how come satan never really acknowledged CAIN as his son??

Thanks; Diane

 

Answer:

Hello Diane.  let me explain for our newer Bible students: The serpent in the Garden of Eden was not a snake at all, it was satan.  The word "serpent" as defined in the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, means:

serpent: hebrew word #5175 nachash (naw-khawsh'); from #5172; a snake (from its hiss): #5172 nachash (naw-khash'); a primitive root; properly, to hiss, i.e. whisper a (magic) spell; generally, to prognosticate.  Dr. E.W. Bullinger, in the The Companion Bible, pg 6, defines serpent as: 'a shining one.' 

In the New Testament, book of Revelation, the Holy Spirit removes all difficulty as to who this serpent was in the  Garden of Eden - directly identifying the serpent as simply one of satan's many names:

Rev 12:9 (satan is that serpent of old)
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  (KJV)

We have a Bible study on our site that goes deep into this, it is at: What was the Real sin in the Garden of Eden?.

But back to your question Diane.  Was Cain 'an average' man?  The Bible does not address this, but there is a very good book called: Sargon The Magnificent that links Cain to being Sargon I.  While this book is not Biblical Scripture, it is backed up by much archeological evidence.  In short, Cain was 'wise' above and beyond his peers, he built the first city, him and his offspring invented among other things, music and metallurgy, as well as refining the art of murder {Gen 4:16-24}.  Could it not be said that Cain indeed acquired this wisdom from his father (satan) after he (Cain) was cast out to the land of Nod?

As touching on your question of:  "How come satan never really acknowledged CAIN as his son?"  Well, the Bible never really gives a platform to satan's paternal utterances, but Jesus Christ did acknowledge that Cain was the child of satan, which should settle the matter.  In the Scripture below {Jn 8:44}, we see that Jesus calls the Kenite Jews the sons of the devil (not all Jews are Kenite Jews!!! See: Who_Are...Israel...Judah...Jews...Kenites?).  Jesus goes on to identify the first murderer as their great-ancestor in the line of the devil.  

We all know that Cain was the first murderer, and we also know that the below Scripture is speaking of satan AND Cain (two separate entities), and it is not calling satan the first murderer;  Satan has murdered no-one, nor can he.  We know from Scripture that satan as well as all classes of super-natural beings are not allowed by God to murder anyone.  See {Job 2:6, Rev 9:5}  The only exception to this will be the killing of the Two Witnesses which commences the cascade of events which terminate this age (the Second Advent of Jesus Christ).  Also, as you read the below Scripture bear in mind that in the Bible there is often little if not no distinction between father, grandfather, great-grandfather...they are simply your ancestors, and you their progeny:

John 8:44 (Jesus speaking to the Kenites [sons of Cain])
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.  (KJV)

Ok, now why should we suppose that satan was the same as the Fallen Angels of Genesis chapter six?  For there are distinct differences between the two classes of beings:

Satan

Fallen Angels

Called: a man 'iysh' {Isa 14:16}

Called: Sons of God 'baneey-haa-Elohiym' {Gen 6:1}

On earth by permission {Gen 3:1, Job 1:7} Left Heaven against God's will  {Jude 1:6, 2nd Pet 2:4 }
Impregnated one woman, thus bringing God's wrath upon his offspring from that conception {Gen 3:6, 3:15}.  "Took them wives of all which they chose" {Gen 6:2}.  Thus damning themselves eternally {Jude 1:6, 2nd Pet 2:4, Matt 25:41, Matt 8:29}.
Was already condemned to eternal death prior to incident {Ezek 28:18-19} Condemned to eternal death BECAUSE of the incident {2nd Pet 2:4}
Whenever satan was physically on the earth, so was God; indicating some form of permission for the fulfillment of the negative part of God's plan.  The exception to this will be when the antichrist (satan) and his angels (fallen angels) are on the earth prior to the Second Advent of the true Christ.

(However, the Two Witnesses of God, who themselves will possess super-natural powers, will be contemporary with the antichrist and the Fallen Angels). 

When the Fallen Angels were on the earth God, was in Heaven; indicating a rebellion, and a disobedient flight to the earth by these fallen ones. 
Due to the fact that satan was on earth by permission it is entirely possible that he underwent a change of bodies. 

We know that Jesus came back to earth after the ascension into Heaven, and He ate food with the Disciples, but also walked through the wall.  So the different natures of the body is somewhat unknown to us.  But there was a teaching in the "Transformation on the Mount."

Satan at this present time is incarcerated in Heaven by Michael and other of God's good Angels until the time of the end, when he and his fallen angels shall be cast down to earth. {Jude 1:9, Rev 12:7-9 (future to us)}.  

Due to the nature of their flight to earth against God's will, they most likely were still in their angelic bodies.  

The flood could not kill the fallen angels m, for they are super-natural, the flood killed their half-human offspring the Giants. 

They (fallen angels) were retrieved by God's Angels, chiefly Archangel Michael, and are incarcerated in Heaven by Michael and other of God's good Angels until the time of the end, when they shall be cast down to earth. {Jude 1:9, Rev 12:7-9 (future to us)}

 

So Diane, in absence of Biblical conviction on the matter, we are left to make up our own minds as to what we will believe.  If my personal opinion would have any value with the reader, I feel that satan was in a different body than were the fallen angels, thus the offspring of the two affairs were quite different.  But that is only my opinion.

Isa 14:16 (speaking of satan. "iysh")
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms  (KJV)

Gen 4:1 (Cain; a man "iysh"  Better translated: "I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord" )
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, "I have gotten a man from the LORD."  (KJV)

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Gen 6:2
(speaking of the fallen angels; "baneey-haa-Elohiym")
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.  (KJV)

Gen 6:4 (The Giants; Nephilim, Gibbowr)
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.  (KJV)

Well, God bless you Diane, and watch out for those fallen angels, they are coming back and they seem to have a affinity for flesh women!  See: THE FALLEN ANGELS AND THE GIANTS OF GENESIS CHAPTER SIX.

Nick; WBSG

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Question #4
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The danger of false books of so-called scripture claiming to be among the true Scriptures of God

 

 

"To destroy, you must replace"
-- Napoleon

"And further, by these, my son, be admonished: making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh"
-- King Solomon; The Bible {Eccl 12:12} (KJV)

 

WBSG Note:  We have recently received several questions as to the so-called hidden books of the Bible, namely, the Apocrypha (ah-pock-rah-fah) and the Psuedepigraphal (sway-deh-pig-rah-phal) books.  It would seem that some believe these books to be the inspired Word of God and that they should have been included in the Bible.  To this we say: Danger!  We shall read two such questions and then discuss the inherent danger in these books, especially in the Psuedepigrapha class of books.  We thank Lance and George below for bringing this topic to light for the edification of all of our readers.      

George writes:

I believe I would be interested in a bible study group, in reference to the omitted books of the Bible, and the forgotten books of Eden. The reason being, Is the last sentence of Rev, "Let not one word, be added or subtracted" How can the authors of the KJV say that some books are fiction and others are not? IF we are to accept the Word of God, then surely we need to know it ALL.  May God Be With you All.  Also: Could you please explain to me what the definition is of "graven."

Thank-you; George

And also:

Lance writes:

Nick, I have a question I was reading your article post about KJV being the bible that is of GOD's words, I do have a question though in the Apocrypha of Barnabas, does he called Satan... the Lord? And secondly, why did the Greek Septuagint have apocrypha books, I mean like the book of Judith, for one you have King Nebuchadnezzar, and scholars say that this book is like false, but in actual history there was 2 Nebuchadnezzars, one in the Jewish exile, and one at the time or before King David if I'm not mistaken, but I'm just wondering, How did people discern which books were of GOD.  Couldn't a skeptic use these Apocrypha books to degrade GOD, I mean since the apocrypha contains some truths, though the book of Baruch, from what I’ve read in Josephus’ Antiquities, that Baruch is a canonical book.

 

Answer:

Hello, First off, here's your answer about Graven Image George:  Below is the definition from the Strong's Concordance:

Graven Image: Hebrew word #6459 pecel (peh'-sel); from 6458; an idol #6458 pacal (paw-sal'); a primitive root; to carve, whether wood or stone.

But it doesn't become an 'idol' until you worship it.  By that, we see that even money or a loved one can become an idol. An idol is anything you place before God.

I think I see where you may going with this.  Is there idol worship in the Christian Churches of today? Yes, sadly there is.

Ok, now on to our main question.  This answer is to the general reader and not specifically to Lance and George.  Simply because someone says that an old writing is Scripture from God does not necessarily make it so.  And we as Christians must be ever cautious of the deceptions of satan.  Think not that satan hasn't had his eye on the value of Scripture.  And also do not put it past him to introduce spurious scriptures of his own making -  in an attempt to confound the body of Christ (Christianity)!

Before we speak of the different classifications of so-called Scripture, let us begin with a good understanding of the differences of each class:

Definition of specific book classes

 

The following guide will help in understanding some of the several terms used when discussing inspired by God Scriptural books and not-so-inspired by God scriptural books. 

  • Cannon: Officially recognized as Divine Inspired Scripture from Almighty God, and suitable for all acceptation: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" [2 Tim 3:16].
  • Apocryphal: A category of 18 Codices (books) that are Biblical in nature but not widely or universally accepted as sound and sure God-inspired Scripture. The term 'Apocrypha' derives from the Greek word meaning "hidden things"; whether the term was originally a positive designation (esoteric teaching) or a negative one (books that should be hidden because they are false) remains a matter of dispute. Thus these books are to viewed cautiously, and disregarded wherever they may appear to disagree with the established text of the Old Testament Scriptures as found in the 39 books contained in the Masoretic Text of all Old Testament Bibles (Genesis - Malachi).  They number 24 in the Tanach (Hebrew Bible) but they are the same Scriptures but some books are doubled up together i.e., the minor Prophets are 12 books in the KJV but only one in the Hebrew Bible.  Same Scriptures though!  
  • Dueterocanonical: Books that became recognized as Scripture, Canonized, (among some faiths, but not all) at a later time than the Old Testament books of Genesis through Malachi. In other words, they are Canonized (included) in the Catholic Bible but not in the King James Bible or most later Bible translations, however, they are included in the original A.D.1611 version of the King James Bible not interspersed throughout the Old Testament as in the Catholic Bibles, but grouped all together in-between the Old and New Testaments.  Loosely stated, the Apocrypha and the Dueterocanical books are the same thing.
  • Pseudepigrapha: Literally, the word 'Pseudepigrapha' = (Works written under a pseudonym), which includes apocalypses, testaments, interpretive paraphrases of Old Testament narratives, and poetry. These books are great in number, and many are obviously flawed. There is a distinct difference between 'Pseudepigraphal' and 'Apocryphal' books. Pseudepigraphal books are not contained in any of our Bible versions, their value, if any, would be in their historical content, as they were written in the times prior to and after the beginning of the Christian era.
  • Palestinian Jewish Cannon: The traditional Hebrew Old Testament (Masoretic text), which is the standard 39 Old Testament books, or 24 by Hebrew Tanach reckoning, 9they don't slip the 1 # 2 books like Kings, Chronicals, etc. into two, but the same content (Genesis - Malachi) as used by the Hebrew Bible, the King James Bible.... See also: THE MASSORAH Bible study.
  • Alexandrian Jewish Cannon: Commonly known as the Septuagint (LXX). It is the Greek translation of the above Masoretic text's 39 books (Genesis - Malachi), but also includes 10 of the Apocryphal books for a total of 49 books. The Septuagint was translated from the above Hebrew Masoretic text (Palestinian Jewish Cannon) in approximately 285 - 247 B.C. because the dispersed Hebrew peoples had lost their native tongue and had begun to speak predominantly Greek.  However, it should be noted that while the Septuagint enjoys a good reputation among most scholars, there is perhaps some evidence that would cause some concern for the complete soundness of the Septuagint.  Wherever the Septuagint strays from the King James Bibles' (ben Chayyim Old Testament Text), follow the King James.  See also: Adulterations in the Newer Bible Versions (NIV, NASB...); Proof that the King James Bible (KJV) is the True Word of God.

For our discussion here we shall concern ourselves with only two classes of scriptural-type books, the 'Apocryphal' books, and the 'Pseudepigraphal' books.

Apocrypha:  As stated in our The Apocrypha study (recommended reading on the subject), the Apocryphal books are not included in the King James Bible nor most other Bible versions.  But even in the Catholic Bible (which has the Apocrypha) not all the Apocryphal books are included.

The Apocrypha was however included in the original 1611 version of the King James Bible.  But the various books of the Apocrypha did not appear in the KJV interspersed throughout the Old Testament as they do in the Catholic Bible versions.  In the 1611 KJV the Apocrypha were all placed together in-between the Old and New Testaments like an appendix so to speak.  In the later printings of the KJV Bible the Apocrypha was excluded.

Among other things, the books were chosen to be Apocryphal books rather than Canonized (approved) Scripture because they are not mentioned in, nor quoted from, in any of the other accepted books of the Bible.  This is significant, for every other book of the Bible either quotes from another book of the Bible or is quoted in another book of the Bible, this is a check-and-balance if you would.  If the Apocryphal book are indeed Holy Spirit inspired Scripture, then why did not the Holy Spirit incorporate them as done with the others?

In the early Church days there was much apostasy and blasphemy going on in young Christendom.  Many spurious (Counterfeit) works were written by enemies of the blossoming church.  Therefore it became necessary later on to exclude certain books whose validly was not above reproach.  You may be fully confident that the 66 books now in our King James Bible are in fact Holy Spirit inspired Scripture.  However, you must pick and chose from among the Apocryphal books, or even portions of them, as to what is inspired and what is spurious.  

This can only be done when one is fully learned in the Bible.  A new or intermediate student will not recognize when an Apocryphal writing is false.  Therefore, it is most highly recommended that the Apocrypha NOT be studied by anyone who does not have an excellent working knowledge of the true Biblical Scriptures contained in the King James Bible, or how else would one know the difference between the Holy and the profane?!?  

Even among scholars, the real true value of the Apocryphal books is in the historical information contained within them, as they were written in the time between the writing of the Old Testament and the New Testament.  The books called the Apocrypha consist of the 18 following titles:

  1. Tobit

  2. Judith

  3. Esther (Greek)

  4. Wisdom of Solomon

  5. Ecclesiacticus (wisdom of Jesus son of Sirach)

  6. Baruch

  7. Letter of Jeremiah

  8. Prayer of Azariah & the song of the 3 Jews (Dan 3:24-90)

  9. Susana (Daniel 13)

  1. Bel and the Dragon (Daniel 14)

  2. 1st Maccabees

  3. 2nd Maccabees

  4. 3rd Maccabees

  5. 4th Maccabees

  6. 1st Esdras

  7. 2nd Esdras

  8. Prayer of Mannasseh

  9. Psalm 151

 

Pseudepigrapha:  Once again we remind the reader of the meaning of the title: "Pseudepigrapha,"  literally, the word 'Pseudepigrapha means: "Works written under a pseudonym (alias)."  Not a very noble place to start to look for inspired Scripture!  Here is a class of books that were never in any Bible version, not even the Catholic Bibles which contain the Apocrypha.  There are easily over 150 books called Pseudepigraphal books.

These books are most dangerous to those not fully learned in the Scriptures.  Below is an excerpt from a book titled: New Age Bible Versions, regarding two of the Psuedepigrapha books, The Shepherd of Hermas, and The Epistle of Barnabas, which should settle in the mind of the reader that the Psuedepigraphal books must be viewed with great caution (if even at all!):

Excerpt from New Age Bible Versions, pg. 557, by Gail Riplinger:

"These two books, The Shepherd of Hermas, and The Epistle of Barnabas, spell out in detail the entire New Age scenario, including commands to do the things God specifically forbids, such as:

  • Take 'the name' of the beast.

  • Give 'up to the beast'.

  • Form a one world government.

  • Kill those not receiving his 'name'.

  • Worship female virgins.

  • Receive 'another spirit'.

  • Seek power.

  • Believe that God is immanent in his creation, as a pantheist, monistic Hindu god.

  • Avoid marriage; permit fornication.

  • Abstain from fasting.

  • Subscribe to the New Age Root Race Theory.

  • Be saved by being baptized and keeping the 'twelve' mandates of the antichrist."

(End of Excerpt)

After reading some of the contents of those two above books, The Shepherd of Hermas, and The Epistle of Barnabas, you should have noticed some similarities to Catholic Dogma, for it should come as no surprise that both of the above two Psuedepigrapha books are contained in the Manuscript which the Catholic Bibles and other newer Bible translations (NASB, NIV, NRSV, ...) are translated from, the Sinaiticus Manuscript (Alph).  This same Manuscript omits the book of Revelation which warns against such things.  Wake up Christian!  There is a war going on for your soul, and satan sleeps not and is ever about his ungodly task.

Stick with the Word of God, the King James Bible, and leave off of the quest for forbidden or hidden knowledge, or else satan might just give it to you (perverted spurious knowledge that is), that is what caused Eve's fall in the Garden of Eden:

Gen 3:4-7
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.  KJV)

We suggest reading the Adulterations in the Newer Bible Versions (NIV, NASB...); Proof that the King James Bible (KJV) is the True Word of God and the The Apocrypha Bible studies.  

God bless you, and be careful!
Nick; WBSG

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Question #3
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Is the situation of some peoples lives an unbreakable unfair destiny? 

 

Diane asks:

If GOD puts the soul of us into a embryo, then is it of any importance that some of us are born into a certain geographical area as well as into poverty, communism and other backgrounds?

Could what we did in the first earth age, put us into the surroundings of this second earth age by our previous actions...? 

Thanks: Diane


Answer:

Hello Diane:  You can always be counted on for the tough questions.  And that's good, it means that you are a deeper Bible student and you keep us on our toes for sure.  

You correctly state that God places life in the fertilized egg at conception.  That's the shame of all this "right to chose" cr*p; Who's right is it to chose what!  Many young women are being deceived by ungodly liars.  I don't want to scare those who've had abortions, for God tempers responsibility with ignorance (no offence).  But we know that Jesus was a living soul at conception.  We know that even while yet in the in the womb John the Baptist had the intelligence of the spirit to recognized the presence of the Messiah Jesus Christ in Mary's womb and he leapt with joy.  Also, the below documents that a fetus is a living soul in God's eyes, for to kill one demands punishment: 

Exod 21:22-23
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life  (KJV)

Life for life, that's what we commonly call the death penalty friend.  The word life here is Nephesh (neh' fesh) in the Hebrew (Strong's Exhaustive Concordance #5315) and it is the same word used when God breathed life into Adam at Adams very unusual conception (but a conception none the less).  Below, the words "living soul" as used here are translated from the Hebrew word Nephesh:

Gen 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.  (KJV)

We also know that Jeremiah was chosen by God as a prophet even before he was in his mothers womb, documenting the existence of the first earth age as well as the fact that Jeremiah indeed was a living soul with purpose while yet in the womb.  

Jer 1:5 (God speaking to Jeremiah)
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.  (KJV)

I do not document that abortion is the killing of a person to torment those who have had abortions.  I judge no man nor woman, I rather seek that they realize what they have done and go about repenting for it ceasing all such actions in the future.  But it is necessary that they hear and understand what the Bible says on the matter so they can make a conscious choice as to what they will or will not do in the situation.  Too often, those who claim to teach the word of God shy away from controversial (to the heathen) issues thus causing many to sin in ignorance.  Very few women today would have an abortion if they knew in their hearts just what the magnitude it is which they do.  Satan seeks to make it easy to sin.  These non-committal teachers/preachers then by their own inaction and silence convict themselves of sin and take part in the judgment: "And as troops of robbers wait for a man, so the company of priests murder in the way by consent: for they commit lewdness" {Hosea 6:9}.  A word to the priests/preachers/teachers, the word murder above in a very strong choice of words by God, it implies responsibility.  Responsibility implies consequence:

murder:  Hebrew word #7523 ratsach (raw-tsakh'); a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder

But if any reader has had an abortion and feels bad about it, we suggest you read our Bible study titled When a Christian takes a life, it should give you comfort, for even your guilty feelings and emotional pain are a form of repentance.  A guilty conscience is God's way of telling you you've done something wrong.  But remember, the blood of Christ on the cross is able to wash away all sins.  Enough about that.

I don't know how we got into all that, but Diane, you ask: "Could what we did in the first earth age, put us into the surroundings of this second earth age by our previous actions?"  

Sure, why not?  Did not God choose certain people from birth (and even before) to accomplish certain things?  Let's take Jeremiah for instance;  Above, we documented that God chose Jeremiah even before he was in the womb.  Jeremiah was a great Hebrew prophet and also a priest {Jer 1:1} in the land of Benjamin.  Had not God placed him into the womb in that particular family line, he could not have been a priest nor a Hebrew Prophet.  If God placed Jeremiah into a Heathen womb in a heathen family, he could have hardly been expected to be accepted by the Hebrews as a man sent from God to be believed and obeyed.  So God exercised choice in Jeremiah's birth situation here.  That alone should answer your question.

And also, what about those endless genealogies in the Bible i.e., "he begat him, and he begat him...."   This is done to show us that there was an order to the world and to creation and birth, there is good and evil, there are those destined to be part of the solution and there are those destined to be part of the problem.   Does this mean that God causes people to become evil?  God forbid!  But rather He places an evil soul into a body and that person does what they will do.  God knows which souls fell in the first earth age, we do not.  But we know and are secured in the fact that any soul can change and love the Lord being adopted into eternal life through Christ Jesus.  How many of them will?  God knows!

Allow me a perhaps distasteful analogy.  Suppose you had a day care class and you sought a teacher for those children.  You have only two choices, one, a convicted pedophile fresh out of prison, or, two, a Christian Grandmother with an impeccable reputation having five of her own children and ten grandchildren.  It would not be difficult even for us to determine the likely outcomes whether we placed one or the other in the position.  People will be what they are, but I hasten to add, people can change through Christ.  

Did not God even call Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, "my servant," and he was evil beyond belief {Jer 27:6}.  How do you think that soul got into that body at that generation in that land into that family system at that time?  God chose!  and just as God uses satan to fulfill the negative parts of prophecy, He also uses evil souls to fulfill negative situations.  God always being in control.  

Today's psychologists (charmers) and the liberal press go to great lengths to try to lay off blame to poverty and childhood abuse for the forming of evil adults.  But then we see stories of great hope rise out of the ghettos and foster homes, while we see many of the rich and privileged fall.  We know God that is not a respecter of a persons station in life, now we know why.   

God knows the hearts of man, He looks inside into the deeper places in our soul, a soul we had from the first earth age, he knows us all (so does satan by the way, but satan cannot read a mind, only God can read our minds).  

I think maybe what is troubling you is that you are trying to reason why there are so many starving children in this world.  It seems hopeless for those children born to parents in third world hell holes.  But we as Christians know there is no hopeless situation.  And sometimes we who are so blessed in America wonder why we are blessed and, say, Somalia isn't.  Then we feel for the children who are surely innocent.  Is that your concern?

Well for one, America is Israel (if you understand the origins of the peoples and prophecy), and prophecy did promise certain blessings.  And while God does not use this earth age to punish anyone for what happened in the first earth age, we could say that the events of the first earth age did have something to do with us in the second (look at Jeremiah) and the Elect of today.  

The problem I think, is that we are trying to understand God's mind with our flesh mind.  This of course cannot be done:

Rom 11:33-34
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?  (KJV)

Let's look at the bigger picture.  Which is better, 80 or a 100 years of privilege on earth, then a date with the Lake of Fire, or, 50 or 60 years of troublous times on earth then an eternity in Heaven?  Which would you choose if given the chance?  

What is more of a blessing, to be born into poverty to heathen parents in a heathen land, then in the process of time dying, and then getting a strait ticket into the Millennium as one who never had the opportunity to fail the faith, or, being born in a great and wealthy nation, decadent as all wealthy nations are, having the Gospel preached on every other block, but with the temptations that prosperity buys of the world, then in the process of time dying and going to Judgment day to be judged as one who has rejected the faith set before him?  I wonder how many wealthy blessed people of today would gladly change places with those poor, famished, and ignorant peoples right before the march into the Lake of Fire.  Who, I ask you, is really the blessed one?  God knows! 

We can be confident of one thing, our God is an ever so fair God.  Suppose you that the Kenites born today were faithful servants of God during satan's rebellion in the first earth age?  No way!

John 8:37-47 (Jesus speaking to the Kenite Jews. Not all Jews are Kenites!!!!)
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.  (KJV)

Whence came they?

God bless you

Nick; WBSG

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Question #2
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Are there books 'missing' from the Bible?

 

Granpop writes:

As I understand it, there are 4 or 5 books missing from the Bible.  Would you please send me the names of them?  Thank you ever so much.


Answer:

Hello, I believe what you are referring to is the books of the Apocrypha, and there are 18 of them.   Please allow me to answer your question in this format: We have quite an in-depth Bible study called The Apocrypha on our site, it should answer all your questions.  But I will supply a brief excerpt from that study here, and then if you decide to go deeper for a more complete answer you can click over and read the rest of  The Apocrypha study.  Naturally, feel free to send a follow-up question if we have been unclear on any certain point.

An excerpt from The Apocrypha; Watchmen Bible Study Group:

        What is the Apocrypha? It is a class of Biblical books that are not included in most Bible cannons. They are books that bridge the gap between the Old Testament writings which ended in 374 B.C. with the book of Malachi, and the first New Testament events written of in the Gospel of Matthew. (The Gospel of Mark was the first written of the four Gospels in, say, the A.D.60's. And 1st Thessalonians was the first New Testament book, written in A.D. 52). The books of the Apocrypha were probably originally penned in-between the first three centuries B.C. and the first century A.D. The books of the Apocrypha were written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic.

        To avoid confusion in this matter, we begin this study by stating that we shall only be referring to post Old Testament era writings herein, and will not concern ourselves with any New Testament writings. All Bibles in their Old Testament contain the 39 books of the Hebrew Old Testament (Genesis - Malachi), and they are set and sound, Divinely Inspired words from our Lord God to us through the Prophets and Apostles. There is no debate or controversy regarding the reliability of the original 39 books of the Hebrew Old Testament Cannon, neither with Jews nor Christians.

The Old Testament Canonized books

        The Old Testament of the King James Bible and the Hebrew Bible are composed of the same 39 books, although in the Hebrew Bible (The Tanach) they only number 24, due to the doubling up of books such as 1st and 2nd Samuel, Ezra and Nehemiah, and the 12 Minor Prophets being rendered as one long book...but the Scriptures are the same. In the original Hebrew manuscripts from which we get our King James Old Testament there were no breaks between certain books such as 1st and 2nd Samuel..., and Ezra and Nehemiah are rendered as one book, but the content is the same, only a different number of the same books. We shall not consider this any further, as it has nothing to do with our current topic and would in itself be another study.

The Apocrypha or Dueterocanonical books

        However, there are 18 books recognized as Apocryphal or Dueterocanical by the Protestant, Angelican, Roman Catholic, and Orthodox communities. These books were written roughly between the first three centuries B.C. and the first century A.D. The inclusion of some or all of them into the different Bible versions varies. i.e., The Catholic Bible includes 16 of these books, the Orthodox use 18, and the Protestant/Angelican include 18 of these Apocrypha books in it's Old Testament Cannon. But even the number of these vary in the older printings of some of these Bibles. Our King James Version Bibles do not contain the Apocryphal books today, however, they were included in the original King James Bible of 1611, called the Authorized Version (A.V).

        Portions of some of the Apocryphal books were found among the dead sea scrolls: Starting in 1947, in the caves of the Qumran region about 14 miles East of Jerusalem, there were found in eleven separate caves, approximately 900 Manuscripts in some 25,000 pieces. 225 of these are Biblical Scrolls with the text of the Hebrew Old Testament books. These Scrolls were written from about 250 B.C. through A.D. 68. In addition to those 225 Biblical manuscripts there was recovered three Apocryphal Scriptures: 'Tobit', 'Ben Sira' (also known as 'Sirach' or 'Ecclesiasticus'), and 'Baruch 6' (also known as 'Letter of Jeremiah'). And though not discovered, but through the other writings found, it is most likely that the residents of Qumran also considered the 'Book of Enoch1', and 'Jubilies' as Scripture.

        So suffice it to say that there is much disagreement as to whether the books termed 'Apocryphal' should be treated as Divinely Inspired Scripture, ie: directly from God Himself, or whether they should just be utilized for their historic content, written by men who were living during the Biblical periods and showing the mood of the religious movement as God's children progressed from Judaism into Christianity with the birth, life, crucifixion, and resurrection of the Messiah Jesus Christ.

        Once again, it must be stressed that the existence and inclusion or exclusion of these other writings (apocryphal) should in no way take away from your mind the validity of the 39 books that are the original Hebrew Cannon of the Old Testament. These 39 books, or 24 by Hebrew reasoning in the Tanach (Genesis through Malachi) are included in ALL Bible Old Testaments, and come down through history with unchallenged integrity by both Jews and Christians alike. These were safeguarded through the THE MASSORAH.

(End of excerpt)

I know Granpop, you gotta kinda watch out for a guy who quotes himself - just kidding, it was the best way for me to answer your question.  I hope that helps you sir, and thank-you for helping us in that you filled out our survey form at the bottom of our Homepage.  We would ask any others to please do the same.  We are seeking to bring the best Bible study site we can to our readers, and feedback is an important key.  God bless you, and feel free to follow-up with any unanswered questions you may have after you read the study.

Nick; WBSG

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Question #1
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How can we know that the Israelites didn’t make up GOD

 

Lance writes:

Dear Nick, I have a question for you, this is not a skeptic question, but I use this question to help strengthen my faith, the question is as follows, How can we Christians know that the Israelites didn’t make up GOD, like other cultures of ancient history had. I look at it this way I mean if they made GOD up, then they wouldn’t have done idolatry and other things, but can you help me out on this question?

 

Answer:

Hello Lance, I like your answer.  Probably another excellent documentation that the Israelites did not make up God is that God punished them so often.  And their own Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) do not paint a very pretty picture of the Israelites.  Had they made the whole thing up, then the Bible surely would have been more complimentary about their ancestors and more cheerful about their destiny.

But we understand that God chastens whom He loves:

Deut 8:5
5 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee. (KJV)

Prov 13:24
24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. (KJV)

Heb 12:7-9
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? (KJV)

And that chastening is for their own good to bring them into the will of God. If they ‘created’ God then they would have brought God into their will.

Also, the Old Testament, which the Israelites as well as Judah (Hebrews all) foretells of a Messiah from the House of Judah, a man like unto God who would come and save them:

Deut 18:15-19 (Old Testament prophecy given, in one of the books of the Law, written by Moses)
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (KJV)

John 1:43-45 (New Testament fulfillment of O.T. prophecy written in the Law (Torah) by Moses)
43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.
45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. (KJV)

Old Testament Scripture also prophesied what would become of this The Messiah:

Isa 53:1-12 (O.T. prophecy of Messiah Jesus Christ given in approx. BC 604-588)
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. (KJV)

Approximately 600 years after the above Scripture was written, in 29 AD, in accordance with the prophecy; Jesus Christ was "despised and rejected of men", "He hath borne our griefs", "He was wounded for our transgressions", "and with His stripes we are healed", "all we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way", "the LORD hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all", "He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth", "He was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was He stricken", "and He made his grave with the wicked", "and with the rich in His death" "yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He hath put Him to grief: when thou shalt make His soul an offering for sin", "by His knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for He shall bear their iniquities", "He bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."   All He wants us to do is to believe, is that so much to ask?  

Spring, 29 AD, on the Passover, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Son of the living God, was crucified on the cross of Pagan  Rome; He was betrayed by a friend, and had a false witness brought against Him by the highest religious body of the time in Jerusalem (the Sanhedrin) by ungodly play actors who were not of true Israel nor of true Judah but rather were the sons of Cain (Kenites) the first murderer who called themselves Jews but were not of Judah.

John 8:42-44
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (KJV)

These Kenites (sons of Cain, the first murderer) will once again play a role in prophecy in our lifetime:

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (KJV)

That is why we must be learned in our Bibles, for the Bible warns us of all things.  Those who wish to nurse satan's work along are the ones who tell you that the Bible is just a fairy tale.  The Bible speaks of those who deny Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross for our salvation,  There is a lot said in the below verse, read it deeply.  Also I suggest you read the whole first chapter of 1st Corinthians:

1 Cor 1:18 (The preaching of the cross (Christianity) defended)
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.  (KJV)

You hang in there lance, and the next time one of the damned asks you to prove that the Bible is true, you ask them to prove that it isn't!

Nick; WBSG

 

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