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QUESTION LIST; Page Number 47
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  1. Food control and Executive Order # 10998 in the Tribulation

  2. The male gender of the Two Witnesses (of Rev 11) in the Scriptures

  3. Reading these Bible studies off-line; and also: "Women's Liberation" movement is against God

  4. Is loyalty to pastor more important than loyalty God?

  5. The Katabole, Noah's Flood, and the Ice Age―dating

  6. When?  How long O Lord?

  7. Christian TV ministry changes: "...which say they are JEWS, and are not, but do lie...." (Rev 3:9), to, "...which say they are APOSTLES, and are not, but do lie...."

  8. Two Christian women respond honestly on "letting their men lead"; and, the great importance of a woman choosing the RIGHT man; also, exemptions of the "man leads" rule.

  9. Evil spirits in some churches; the danger to women by evil spirits; The Rapture theory and the "bodies," "carcasses," and "eagles," of Mt 24 & Lk 17.

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Food control and Executive Order # 10998 in the Tribulation

 

A Reader Writes:

Hi Nick, I don't know if you remember me, we exchanged several emails awhile back.

Somewhere I read on your website, about "hording food" that it would become illegal, per Executive Order. If you wouldn't mind, could you pass back to me which order? I have researched, can't find it. It came up tonight, and has caught my attention again.

Hope all is well with you and your ministry! And whatever your need was that you requested prayer, I hope your need was met!

May God be with us,

Xxxxxxx


Answer: 

Hello to you.  He did answer my prayernot with what I wanted, per se, but with peace of mind to know that what is, is His will; and with the strength to accept that, and to move forward in peace.  Thank you for asking and praying for me.

     The issue that you inquire of is on our Homepage, at the bottom of the following article:  Controlled media and its part in world-control.  A simple Internet search (under "  executive order food hoarding  ") will reveal a plethora of articles speaking on this very same thing.

     I will excerpt the part of our Website that you inquired of: 

"EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.  ["problem areas" won't receive food drops until they comply.  Another one of these Orders, that I have seen, not mentioned here, outlaws food stockpiling; why do you think that is?]"

    You are looking for an official U.S. statement that says something to the effect of: "we will not let people stockpile provisions."  You aren't going to easily find that written so clearly.  FEMA does recommend keeping a three day supply of food and water in the homehardly helpful when the world goes mad and cities are cordoned off without renewal of supplies able (or allowed, better stated) to get in. 

    A government, or shadow government better stated, is not going to tell us that it is building an apparatus to force us into dependence upon them.  A "shadow government" is a secret administrative body that controls the visible government that you and I vote for.  The rulers of the shadow government rule the people by controlling the overt visible government.  It is no mystery as to who is the shadow government.  The International Judaics have shadow governments in every consequential Western Nation.  "They" keep this a secret by the sheer un-believability of it.  Former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover speaks on this matter:

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." ― J. Edgar Hoover 

    The problem, for us investigators, is that the powers that be (TPTB) aren't just going to come right out and say that they are planning to control and destroy us.  For obvious reasons.  So the investigator must read between the lines, search the mundane, and bring together a completed picture.  You can tell the plans of any group by the preparations that they lay in place before "zero hour"; i.e., Adolph Hitler registered guns, then Hitler confiscated guns, then Hitler enslaved a peoples.  And maybe ten or so years ago, "they" made great effort at gun control in Americabut Americans had not yet been fully prepared (brainwashed) into giving up their right to bear arms. 

     This is causing TPTB considerable consternation, and has set their plans back some, as resistance pockets will inevitably be set up by the people once they finally see the writing on the wall.  But potential resistance pockets are being monitored even now, and their leaders shall be arrested/assassinated at the onset of Martial Law initiation in the Western Christians Nations of North America and Europe.  How will the TPTB know and locate them?  "They" read everything that you are reading, "they" infiltrate all groups, and "they" have back-door access to all nation's internal security and surveillance apparatuses.  I'll ask you to fit the rest of that puzzle together yourself.

    Following the trail of the elite is not always an exact science, as TPTB have foresaw this and made provisions for "plausible deniability" (i.e., I/we didn't know...).  But their best defense is our stupider brethren who stick their head in the sand and say "That will never happen here, never happen to us, not in America."  These same don't think that America can lose a war (but just wait till [and if] we attack Iran.  I speak of Russia's, China's, and the Islamic nations in general's actions thereafter).  And then these same dullards mock those of us who clearly see the writing on the wall and the intent of the elite.  These types are called "useful idiots," and the International Judaics fund and use this sort for their value to them. 

    In Russia, after the 1917 Jewish Bolshevik Revolution, these useful idiots were arrested/exiled or simply shot in the streets, having used up their usefulness.  In every revolution orchestrated by the International Judaics (and most are), the first thing that they do after the streets settle down is to execute the intelligentsia, government officials, religious clergy, military leaders, and police forces (and enact "AntiSemitism Laws" as was the first order of business in 1917 Russia).  WHY?  Because power likes to stay in power, so to avoid counter-revolutions, they destroy all who would be able to rise one.  What's left in the targeted nation is a docile welfare state well suited to enslavement for bread and privilege.  "Privilege" being the right to live.  This is their plan for the entire world; a world that they then will hand over to their god satan (antichrist).  Remember, to the hard-core International Judaics, all non-Jews, and even most of their "lesser brethren" (as "they" call them) everyday Jews are human cattle (Goyim).

Excerpt:  Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion; circa 1897 A.D.  Specifically bookmark #43:  https://watchman.news/watchman-bs-site-arcv/plez.htm#43 The below is a collation of excerpts from the Protocols.

THE PROTOCOLS DIGEST-ED

ON PROPAGANDA

"Our [the International Judaics] aim must be to debilitate the public mind by continually fomenting contradictory opinions and thus distract it from serious reflections which might cause resistance to our aims. . . Let the goyim be bewildered, for there is nothing so dangerous as personal initiative!"

"So that the true meaning of things shall not strike the goyim until the proper time, we shall mask it under an alleged ardent desire to serve the working classes. . If any States raise a protest against us, it is only pro forma and by our direction, for their anti-Semitism is indispensable to us for the management of our lesser brethren.

"The Press is already [1897] in our hands. Not a single announcement will reach the public without our control. This we have already attained in large part through our control of those agencies by which all news items must pass. . . We shall put out our own journals, disguised as coming from elsewhere so that readers will in effect be following the flag we hang out for them; these will even be allowed to feign attacks on us, to convince people they are reading a free press.... Let them discuss themselves silly!"

"Distraction is one of our principal aims -- through amusements gambling and games of all kinds. . . have we not very successfully turned the brainless heads of the goyim with 'progress' a fallacious idea except in terms of material invention, for truth is one and there can be no place in it for progress? "Progress" serves to obscure the truth so that none may know it except ourselves, the Chosen of God, its guardians."

"When we come into our Kingdom, it will be undesirable that there should exist any religion other than ours. We must therefore sweep away all other forms of belief . . . We have long taken care to discredit the priesthood of the goyim, whose influence falls lower day by day. But no one will ever bring our faith under discussion from its true point of view, since only we shall know that."

[End excerpt]
 

    We speak of Executive Orders and FEMA directives, and we see evidence of them; however, there are also a whole plethora of these type orders that are Top Secret and that will not be divulged until they are put into operation.  The ones that we see and that we know (see bottom of article at this link) are minor compared to those that are classified.  And since the ones that we do have access to are so shockingimagine the horrors when the ones that were deemed to sensitive for pre-release are initiated! 

    Anyway, I did a cursory search to find you more info on EO 10998.  Below is what I found. 

     The long and cautious (and I feel fair-and-balanced) article below is summed up by the below two excerpts from it.

Source:  http://standeyo.com/News_Files/Exec.Orders/EOs.html  

Excerpt #1:

"...Can Our Government Really Tell Us How Much Food and Supplies We Can Keep?

The short answer is YES, in a roundabout way. Due to numerous discussions questioning the existence of federal anti-hoarding legislation, I wanted to see if such Executive Orders had been written. First and foremost, we do not want to suggest people store items beyond "legal limits" if such limits did exist. Second, we want to separate fact from rumor buzzing around the Internet which has only added to the confusion. This search has yielded no federal legislation aimed directly at prohibiting food storage. But this does not mean "hoarding" is legal, and here's why... "

Excerpt #2:

".  .  .  .  Bottom line? Clinton delegated authority to FEMA to run the show however it sees fit if he declares a national emergency. Who will determine how much food we can have in our house? FEMA. And the amount depends on the needs of all...not your needs or my needs...but the "welfare" of the needy.

Many people have balked about FEMA's extensive authority, but think about it, what other agency has the manpower to cover and implement aid? As it is, FEMA still does not have the manpower to control every city all over the US in times of crisis. Chances are they would only be dispatched to larger metropolitan areas where more crowd control might be needed. Lots of people suggest darker reasons for their existence, but this site is only addressing anti-hoarding legislation, nothing else.

EO #11051 covering "economic or financial crisis" certainly would have terrorism implications as well. An emergency does not have to be defined as another Hurricane Hugo or massive Midwestern flooding.

State Legislation's Role in Anti-Hoarding

The other area where anti-hoarding confusion might have arisen is state legislation. Most states have chosen to enact their own anti-hoarding laws. That means some states may not have such laws, others do and not all are uniform. However, uniformity of state law is something governors are striving for under the Interstate Compact Agreement. The Compact Agreements, much like Executive Orders for the president, really don't require voters' input. They are law if the legislature doesn't object, much like Congress that has 30 days to object to an EO before it becomes law. 

At times of "declared emergencies", each governor cedes (gives over) authority of his/her state to the federal government. When a governor declares it for his state, he becomes the delegated representative of the federal government according to an Interstate Compact Agreement. Bottom line, even though federal legislation does not directly address anti-hoarding, goods can be seized if national circumstances are felt to warrant it whether or not amounts stored are deemed excessive in your state's eyes."

[end excerpts]

    The Executive Order in question, EO #10998, was signed by John F. Kennedy in 1962.  Below is a reproduction (scanned-in, bearing some scanner character-recognition errors) of that official order.  You read it and determine if you feel that "they" could construe it to seize "hoarded food," and/or prohibit "hoarding food."  I have taken the liberty of highlighting [in Red bold text] certain phrases that I feel are ambiguous and that could be construed by "authorities" in quite a different manner during a "crisis" than they read here now in safe times.

Source: http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10998.htm

Executive Order 10998

ASSIGNING EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS FUNCTIONS TO THE SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE

By virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, including authority vested in me by Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1958 (72 Stat. 1799), it is hereby ordered as follows:

SECTION 1. Scope. The Secretary of Agriculture (hereinafter referred to as the Secretary) shall prepare national emergency plans and develop preparedness programs covering: Food resources, farm equipment, fertilizer, and food resource facilities, as defined below; rural fire control; defense against biological warfare, chemical warfare, and radiological fallout pertaining to agricultural activities; and rural defense information and education. These plans and programs shall be designed to develop a state of readiness in these areas with respect to all conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the United States.

SEC. 2. Definitions. As used in this order:

(a) "Food resources" means all commodities and products, simple, mixed or compound, or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being eaten or drunk, by either human beings or animals' irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be. put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. For the purposes of this order the term "food resources" shall also include all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal fats and oils, cotton, tobacco, wool, mohair, hemp, flax fiber, and naval stores, but shall not include any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.

(b) "Farm equipment" means machinery, equipment and repair parts manufactured primarily for use on farms in connection with the production or preparation for market or use of "food resources."

(c) "Fertilizer" means any product or combination of products for plant nutrition in form for distribution to the users thereof.

(d) "Food resource facilities" means plants, machinery, vehicles (including on farm) and other facilities for the production, processing, distribution and storage (including cold storage) of food resources, and for domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer.

SEC. 3. Food Function. With respect to food resources, food resource facilities, farm equipment, and fertilizer the Secretary shall:

(a) Resources. Periodically assess assigned resources available from all sources in order to estimate availability under an emergency situation, analyze resource estimates in relation to estimated requirements in order to identify problem areas, and develop appropriate recommendations and programs including those necessary for the maintenance of an adequate mobilization base. Provide data and assistance before and after attack for national resource evaluation purposes of the Office of Emergency Planning.

(b) Requirements. Periodically assemble, develop as appropriate, and evaluate requirements for assigned resources and service, taking into account the estimated needs for military, civilian, and foreign purposes. Such evaluation shall take into consideration the geographical distribution of requirements under emergency conditions.

(c) Priorities and allocations. Develop priorities, allocations and distribution control systems and related plans to insure that available food resources are properly apportioned among and distributed to civilian, military and foreign claimants in an emergency and develop priorities, allocations and distribution control systems and related plans for the domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer.

(d) Production and processing. Develop control systems and related plans including control of use of facilities designed to provide adequate and continuing production, processing and storage of essential food resources in an emergency.

(e) Salvage and rehabilitation. Develop plans for salvage of food resources after determination by proper authorities having the responsibility for this function, of their safety for human or animal consumption anti develop plans for the rehabilitation of food resource facilities after attack.

(f) Economic stabilization. Cooperate with the Office of Emergency Planning in the development of stabilization policies as they might affect agricultural production, processing, distribution, and storage, and in tile development of policies for consumer rationing of food resources.

(g) Financial aid. Develop plans and procedures for financial and credit assistance for farmers who might need such assistance under various mobilization conditions, and provide assistance to food industries in obtaining necessary financing and credit in an emergency.

SEC. 4. Cooperation with Department of Defense. In consonance with national civil defense plans, programs and operations of the Department of Defense, under Executive Order No. 10952, the Secretary shall:

(a) Facilities protection. Provide industry protection guidance materials adapted to the needs of assigned food resources facilities and promote a national program to stimulate disaster preparedness and control in order to minimize the effects of overt or covert attack, and to maintain continuity of production and capacity to serve essential users in an emergency. Guidance shall include, but not be limited to, organizing and training facility personnel shelter, evacuation plans, records protection, continuity of management, emergency repair, deconcentration or dispersal of facilities, and industrial mutual :lid associations for an emergency.

(b) Rural fire functions. In cooperation with Federal, State and local agencies, develop plans for a national program and direct activities in relationship to the prevention and control of fires in the rural areas in the United States caused by the effects of enemy attack.

(c) Biological, chemical, and radiological warfare defense functions. Develop plans for a national program, direct Federal activities, and furnish technical guidance to State and local authorities concerning

(1) diagnosis and strengthening of defensive barriers and control or eradication of diseases, pests, or chemicals introduced as agents of biological or chemical warfare against animals, crops or products thereof;

(2) protective measures, treatment and handling of livestock, including poultry, agricultural commodities on farms or ranches, agricultural lands, forest lands, and water for agricultural purposes, any of which have been exposed to or affected by radiation. Plans shall be developed for a national program and direction of Federal activities to assure the safety and wholesomeness and to minimize losses from biological and chemical warfare radiological effects, and other emergency hazards of livestock, meat and meat products, poultry and poultry products in establishments under the continuous inspection of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and agricultural commodities and products owned by the Commodity Credit Corporation or by the Secretary.

(d) Rural defense information and education. Conduct a rural defense information and education program to advise farmers that they will have a responsibility to produce food of the kind and quantity needed in an emergency and shall work with farmers and others in rural areas to reduce the vulnerability of hollies, crops, livestock, and forests, to either overt or covert attack.

(e) Damage assessment. Maintain a capability to assess the effects of attack on assigned resource areas and departmental installations, both at national and field levels, and provide data to the Department of Defense.

SEC. 5. Claimancy. The Secretary shall prepare plans to claim materials, manpower, equipment, supplies and services which would be needed to carry out assigned responsibilities and other essential functions of the Department from the appropriate agency and work with such agencies in developing programs to insure availability of such resources Ill an emergency.

SEC. 6. Stockpiles. The Secretary shall assist the Office of Emergency Planning in formulating and carrying out plans for stockpiling strategic and critical materials. In the administration of Commodity Credit Corporation inventories of food resources shall take all possible measures to assure the availability of such inventories when and where needed in an emergency. The secretary shall also develop plans and procedures for the proper utilization of agriculture items stockpiled for survival purposes.

SEC. 7. National Program Guidance. The Secretary shall provide technical guidance to State and local governments to the end that all planning concerned with functions assigned herein will be effectively coordinated. He shall also maintain relations with the appropriate industries to foster mutual understanding of Federal emergency plans.

SEC. 8. Research. Within the framework of over-all Federal research objectives, the Secretary shall supervise or conduct research directly concerned with carrying out emergency preparedness responsibilities, designate representatives for necessary ad hoc or task force groups' and provide advice and assistance to other agencies in planning for research in areas involving the interests of the Department of Agriculture.

SEC. 9. Functional Guidance. The Secretary, in carrying out the functions assigned in this order, shall be guided by the following:

(a) Interagency cooperation. The Secretary shall assume the initiative in developing joint plans for the coordination of emergency food resources of those departments and agencies which have the responsibility for any segment of such activities. He shall utilize to the maximum those capabilities of other agencies qualified to perform or assist in the performance of assigned functions by contractual or other agreements.

(b) Presidential coordination. The Director of the Office of Emergency Planning shall advise and assist the President in determining policy for, and assist him in coordinating the performance of functions under this order with the total national preparedness program.

(c) Emergency planning. Emergency plans and programs and emergency or organization structure required thereby, shall be developed as an integral part of the continuing activities of the Department of Agriculture and the basis that it will have the responsibility for carrying out such programs during an emergency. The Secretary shall be prepared to implement all appropriate plans developed under this order. Modifications and-temporary organizational changes, based on emergency conditions, will be in accordance with policy determination by the President.

SEC. 10. Emergency Functions. Nothing in this order shall be construed as conferring authority under Title III of the Federal Civil Defense Act of 1950, as amended, or otherwise, to put into effect any emergency plan, procedure, policy, program, or course of action prepared or developed pursuant to this order. Such authority is reserved to the President.

SEC. 11. Redelegation. The Secretary is hereby authorized to redelegate within the Department of Agriculture the functions hereinabove assigned to him.

SEC. 12. Prior Actions. To the extent of any inconsistency between the provisions of ,any prior order and the provisions of this order, the latter shall control. Emergency Preparedness Order No. 1 (hereto issued by the Director, Office of Civil and Defense Mobilization) (26 F.R. 651-652). is hereby revoked.

JOHN F. KENNEDY

THE WHITE HOUSE, February 16, 1962. 

[End of excerpt]
 

    The International Judaics well know the value of food-control in man-control.  By it they control Sub-Saharan Africa today, while they rape the Dark Continent of her precious metals and diamond mines resources.  Below is an excerpt from their manifesto.  Also, in chapter six and into chapter seven below, notice WHY you have a Democracy in the Western Christian Nations instead of Kingdoms or Republics (America was once a Republic, now she is a Democracy).  England, Russia, Germany, France, etc., were all Kingdoms, now they are Democracies.  Guess why?).

Source: Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion

PROTOCOL No. 3

"...[6.] The people, under our [International Judaics] guidance, have annihilated the aristocracy, who were their one and only defense and foster- mother for the sake of their own advantage which is inseparably bound up with the well-being of the people. Nowadays, with the destruction of the aristocracy, the people have fallen into the grips of merciless money-grinding scoundrels who have laid a pitiless and cruel yoke upon the necks of the workers.

[7.] We appear on the scene as alleged saviours of the worker from this oppression when we propose to him to enter the ranks of our fighting forces -- Socialists, Anarchists, Communists -- to whom we always give support in accordance with an alleged brotherly rule (of the solidarity of all humanity) of our SOCIAL MASONRY. The aristocracy, which enjoyed by law the labor of the workers, was interested in seeing that the workers were well fed, healthy, and strong. We are interested in just the opposite -- in the diminution, the KILLING OUT OF THE GOYIM. Our power is in the chronic shortness of food and physical weakness of the worker because by all that this implies he is made the slave of our will, and he will not find in his own authorities either strength or energy to set against our will. Hunger creates the right of capital to rule the worker more surely than it was given to the aristocracy by the legal authority of kings.

[8.] By want and the envy and hatred which it engenders we shall move the mobs and with their hands we shall wipe out all those who hinder us on our way.

[9.] WHEN THE HOUR STRIKES FOR OUR SOVEREIGN LORD OF ALL THE WORLD TO BE CROWNED IT IS THESE SAME HANDS WHICH WILL SWEEP AWAY EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT BE A HINDRANCE THERETO. ..."

[End of excerpt] 

    By the way, welcome to the antichrist, e.g., the "OUR SOVEREIGN LORD OF ALL THE WORLD" in chapter 9 above.

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The male gender of the Two Witnesses (of Rev 11) in the Scriptures

 

     A reader (actually, more than one) asked how we could be sure that the Two Witnesses (or even one of them) couldn't be female.  Aside from the fact that God has always used men for that type of world-changing work, and that it is unnatural and contradictory that the Scriptures would declare that the woman is not to teach (1 Tim 2:11-12), that she is to be silent in the churches (1 Cor 14:34-35, etc.), and that she is under the man (1 Peter 3:5-6, Eph 5:22), etcand then to have a woman lead God's people in the Great Tribulation which, as Christ foretold will be so terrible: "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." (Mat 24:21); we also have Scriptural evidence as to the maleness of the Two Witness of God in Revelation chapter eleven.

The place of the woman

1 Timothy 2:11-12
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach , nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.  KJV

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.  KJV

1 Peter 3:5-6
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.  KJV

Ephesians 5:22
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.  KJV

     In Revelation chapter eleven we see that two chosen servants of God are empowered by the Holy Spirit to work wonders and to testify against the world at that apostate time.

The Two Witnesses

Revelation 11:3-10
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.  KJV

 

These are men, for they are called "prophets"

prophets:  Greek word #4396  prophetes (prof-ay'-tace); from a compound of NT:4253 and NT:5346; a foreteller ("prophet"); by analogy, an inspired speaker; by extension, a poet:  KJV - prophet.

     The above word "prophet" is the male form.  There is a female form of the word, it is rendered "prophetess" in the New Testament.  For example:

Luke 2:36
36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;  KJV

prophetess;  Greek word #4398  prophetis (prof-ay'-tis); feminine of NT:4396; a female foreteller or an inspired woman:  KJV - prophetess.

     Compare the words "prophet" and "prophetess" (and the plural male "prophets") in the Interlinear:

Note: How to read below Interlinear:

Prophetess (Luke 2:36):

Prophet (John 12:38):

Prophets (Rev 11:10):

     There is one other "person" called a prophetess in the New Testament, or rather, that called herself a prophetess; that is:

Revelation 2:20
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.  KJV

     Though there were the four daughters of Phillip which "did prophesy," but they were not called "prophetesses" (or prophets), but rather, they were called "virgins."  A prophet prophesies but not all who prophesy are "prophets." 

Acts 21:8-9
8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.  KJV

     The word (verb) "prophesy" means simply to speak God's words:

prophesy: Greek word #4395 propheteuo (prof-ate-yoo'-o); from NT:4396; to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office:  KJV - prophesy.

NT:4396 prophetes (prof-ay'-tace); from a compound of NT:4253 and NT:5346; a foreteller ("prophet"); by analogy, an inspired speaker; by extension, a poet:  KJV - prophet.

     Bullinger touches on this briefly in his appendix #174 (below) of the Companion Bible; specifically under #1 apostello:

Synonymous Words for
"Send", "Sent", etc.

This Is Appendix 174 From The Companion Bible.

 

  1. apostello = to send forth or off, or away from (as a messenger, or with a commission), the sender remaining behind 1; implying authority on the part of the sender. Hence used of prophets; and the Noun "apostle", denotes one thus sent.

  2. exapostello = to send off, or away out of (the place where one is); implying the same mission and authority. No. 1, with the Preposition ek prefixed. See Appendix 104. vii.

  3. sunapostello = to send off together (or in conjunction) with another. No. 1, with sun (Appendix 104. xvi) prefixed. Occurs only in 2Corinthians 12:18.

  4. pempo = to send (esp. with an escort), the sender accompanying those sent 2. See Luke 7:3 (where No. 1, above, is used), and verse 6 (where pempo is used).

  5. anapempo = to send up (as to a judge for trial); or to send back, remit (as in Luke 23:11); or to send again.

  6. ekpempo = to send out from, send out. No. 4 with ek (Appendix 104. vii) prefixed. Occurs only in Acts 13:4; 17:10.

  7. metapempo = to send for, so as to be with one's self. No. 4 with meta (Appendix 104.  xi) prefixed. Occurs only (except once) in Middle Voice. Acts 10:5, 22, 29; 11:13; 24:24, 26; 25:3. See Passive Voice, Acts 10:29-.

  8. sumpempo = to send in company with. No. 4, with sun (Appendix 104. xvi) prefixed. Occurs only in 2Corinthians 8:18, 22.

  9. ballo = to throw, to cast (the context determining the nature or degree of force exercised). Compare Matthew 10:34.

  10. ekballo = to throw or cast out of, or from No. 9, with ek (Appendix 104. vii) prefixed. Compare Matthew 12:20.

  11. apoluo = to loosen off from, let loose from, release, let go away. Compare Matthew 15:23.

  12. aphiemi = to send off or away from one's self (in any manner); hence, to dismiss. Compare Matthew 13:36.

  13. apotassomai = to withdraw from by taking formal leave of; to bid farewell or say "adieu" to : as Elisha did from Elijah (Josephus, Antiquities viii. 13:7). Compare Mark 6:46. Luke 9:61; 14:33. Acts 18:18, 21. 2Corinthians. 2:13.

  14. bruo = to emit, or send forth abundantly (as a fountain). Occurs only in James 3:11.

NOTES

   1 See John 20:22: "as the Father hath sent (No. 1) Me, even so send I (No. 4) you."

   2 See note above, where pempo is thus emphasized.
 

     And yes, in the end days women shall "prophesy" (speak God's words), but that does not make them "prophets," and certainly not God's Two Witnesses:

Acts 2:16-18
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy , and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:  KJV

     Even the Jewish leaders, who did not believe upon Christthus extracting themselves from God's blessings and eternal life"prophesied."  But certainly they were not "prophets":

John 11:46-51
46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.
47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;  KJV

     God uses whom He will, even the unsaved.  But that does not make them "prophets," though for a moment they did prophesy.  In the below, even children called Jesus Christ the awaited Savior, the Son of David, which the Old Testament prophets had spoken of.  They were "prophesying" that this Man Jesus Christ was He who was to come, but they were not called "prophets":

Matthew 21:15-16
15 And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased,
16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?  KJV

Jesus was referring to the Old Testament prophesy:

Psalms 8:1-2
O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.  KJV

     But we are getting off-track here.  Turning to the Old Testament, we see that these Two Witnesses were spoken of and prophesied of long before the New Testament was ever written.  It is here that really 'nail down' the male gender of these Two Witnesses.  Observe:

Zechariah 4:1-14
4:1 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep,
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

. . . . [Cont. to verse 14]
11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.  KJV

     This is why a good Interlinear (like the one below from BibleSoft [PC Study Bible Version 4 Reference Library +]) is so valuable to the student.  In verse fourteen above, we see in the English the word "ones"; however, in the Hebrew, which the English was translated from, we see that this is a male term.  It means "sons":

Ones:  Hebrew word #1121  ben (bane); from OT:1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., [like OT:1, OT:251, etc.]):  KJV - afflicted, age, [Ahoh-] [Ammon-] [Hachmon-] [Lev-] ite, [anointed-] one, appointed to, (+)arrow, [Assyr-] [Babylon-] [Egypt-] [Grec-] ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, (young) bullock, (young) calf, came up in, child, colt, common, corn, daughter, of first, firstborn, foal, very fruitful, postage, in, kid, lamb, (+)man, meet, mighty, nephew, old, (+)people, rebel, robber, servant born, soldier, son, spark, steward, stranger, surely, them of, tumultuous one, valiant [-est], whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.

     The above word, ben (son -  Heb. #1121), appears in the Hebrew Old Testament 4930 times.  In the below screen capture, I show as many as were in the on-screen panel.  The yellow highlighted words are the words that were translated from "ben" (sonHeb. #1121).  You will notice the male genderoftentimes directly contrasted with the female gender in the same sentence, as in the entry for Genesis 5:4, etc.  And regarding the first entry in the below list, where the King James translators rendered the Hebrew ben as the English "children," you will notice that this was speaking of Cain and Ableand both were males.  "ben" means son, male gender:

     Based upon the above evidence, the Two Witnesses of Revelation chapter 11 shall be two men.  Males.  But then, does not even nature tell you so?  Why do so many women in this wicked generation always seem to want to be something that they are notmen?

     I myself am a man, but I don't want to bear children, because it isn't my duty or my place, it isn't what God ordained for me.  Now, many a woman isn't thrilled at the idea of being drafted to go into a war somewhere to die in the mud or sand far from home.  Luckily for women, they do not have to worry about that, neither now nor in the Bible times.  I, being a man, have a role in God's world, and women have their own roll in God's world, and never shall the twain meet; else, why did He create them male and female?  Whatever gender you Christians are, be happy that you are in the Eternal Kingdom.  And do your job to please God, whatever that may be.  Men need to quit trying to be feminine, and women need to quit trying to be masculineit isn't natural.  And no, God does not change with our (satan inspired) "times" and social movements:

Malachi 3:6
6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.  KJV

James 1:17
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.  KJV

Hebrews 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.  KJV

Matthew 5:17-19 [Christ speaking]
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.  KJV

Hebrews 6:17-18
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:  KJV


1 Samuel 15:29
29 And also the Strength of Israel
[God] will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.  KJV

Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?  KJV

Psalms 89:34
34 My
[God] covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.  KJV

     The only ones who changed are the disobedient among us, both men and women.  That shall come to an end shortly.

     Am I popular with the "Women's Libbers"?  Three guesses.  I am not any more popular with Feminists than I am with Homosexuals, Lesbians, Atheists, Jews, Muslims, etcbut then, neither is God's written Word, the Bible, popular with these sorts either.  Neither is the One and only True God.  That too shall come to an end shortly.

Joshua 24:15
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.  KJV

     How about you?

     Peace to you in Christ Jesus

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Reading these Bible studies off-line; and also: "Women's Liberation" movement is against God

 

A (female) Reader Writes:

Hi There!

I have enjoyed your website so far. Is there a book that included all information you shared in the website? It is impossible for me to print everything as it will used up printer ink. 

I don't like the word "watchmen" as it sounds like men are above women. I think you should change the word from watchmen to watchpeople. :-) 

Xxxxxx


Answer: 

Hi there, Xxxxx.  At one time I offered the whole Website on CD-Rom, but there was no interest in it, so I left off of the project (it tales time to reformat the pages so that the hyperlinks open within the CD-Rom instead of going to the Internet; and I also wanted to revise and update all the included studiesvery time intensive, to say the least!).  Because of the size of the Website now, I would have to go to DVD-Rom.  But nobody bought one, so I stopped working on it.  I think that I was charging something like $10.00 delivered, for my time, materials, and postage.  So it wasn't the amount of money (I don't think)people just didn't want it.  

    However, there is a solution to your dilemma: you can save each Webpage into your browser, and then read it of-line without having to print it.  Consult your browser on how to store and view Webpages off-line. 

Regarding where you state:

"I don't like the word "watchmen" as it sounds like men are above women."

    Well, women can watch too; but, Xxxxxx, according to God's Word, men are above women.  Did you somehow miss this in your studies, did someone teach you something contrary to the Scriptures, or do you simply for personal reasons object to it to the point of rejecting it?  Or, were you just kidding?  If you were serious, because perhaps certain pastors teach women rebellion, then please see the below:

Genesis 3:16-17
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;  KJV

1 Corinthians 11:1-3
11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.  KJV
 

Ephesians 5:20-25
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;  KJV

    "Women's Lib" is not of God, it is of satan and his minions on the earth today; it is designed not to "free" women, but rather to destroy God's ordained gender rolesthus destroying the family unit until we have a whole society of single mothers like we do, raising undisciplined hell-raising kids like we do, fathered by absentee dads like we do (not much more than "sperm donors" anymore)ever more godless one generation to the next.

     The above was spoken of almost prophetically at the onset of the "Women's Suffrage Movement," which eventually led to "Women's Liberation" (you've got to just love those nicey-nice "fair-sounding" names), which eventually became the modern-day Feminist/Lesbian/Abortion/Divorce/Revolving-Bedpartners phenomenon.  That's how they "freed" women.    Observe:

Source:  Women's Suffrage.

"...It was also believed that women's place was in the home, caring for husband and children. Entry of women into political life, it was feared, challenged the assignment of women to the home and might lead to disruption of the family. . . . Women in the United States and Canada were enfranchised relatively early (1920 and 1918, respectively)"

     Ya think?  "might lead to disruption of the family"?!?  They were right about that, weren't they?  Perhaps God knew what He was doing all along when He assigned men and women their respective rolls:

Titus 2:3-5
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.  KJV

     Find one of those above, verse 4 & 5 diamonds in the rough, and you've really found something valuable and holy, a true gift from God to a man and his children!  That, my fellow men reading this, is what you were supposed to get.  Instead, all we seem to find is... well... what they have become today.  Not that we deserve any better.

     We men are not without guilt in all of thisfar from it!  And while it is true (but not popular to point out) that satan, through his minions on this earth, have changed (not all, but) a great many of our womenGod's daughters, mind youeven professing Christiansinto not much more than disrespectful, disobedient, loose-women and murderesses.  Disrespectful, because they dump their husbands and "lovers" faster than they replace the washing machine; disobedient, because they don't know their place and seek to usurp the God-given authority of the man over the woman; loose, because the average woman of age is into the double-digits as far as number of "lovers"; and murderesses because 43% of women will have killed their first child by the time they reach age 45that's almost half of all womenhalf!  This all is not of God, my friends; it is of satan.  Yet, we esteem ourselves to be "good people." 

� of all pregnancies in America are terminated by abortion

�48 percent of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and � of these are terminated in abortion. . . . An estimated 43 percent of women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. . . . Each year, an estimated 46 million abortions occur world-wide��  ― The Allan Guttmacher Institute.

     But how many of us men can honestly say that we live up to our part in the below Scripture? 

The Way That God Had Intended It

Ephesians 5:20-25
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;  KJV

     And what did we do to stop our women's fall?  "Stop it"?  Nay, we encouraged it!  We took them out, and all we did was try to get sex, more sex, and nothing but sex; we didn't act like Bible-model men in our relationships and marriages whereby they might have stayed with us; we didn't offer them a stable and financially secure home environment whereby they could stay home and raise our families; and when they became pregnant WITH OUR CHILDREN, we sent them off to the abortion clinic, oftentimes footing the bill.  So, for our sin, we have what we now have.  Man was supposed to lead women, but we didn't lead, we let satan and his earthly minions lead our women astrayand we "love to have it so" (Jer 5:31b).  Us both, men and women of todayall of uswould do well to rightly muse with the Psalmist: "I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments." (Psalms 119:176).

   How far we have fallen, both men and women!  And I'm not judging anyone; for, I am guilty myself.  None of us claim total innocence, we have all at one time or another done our part in this tragedy.  The difference is, is that I know it, and have repented of it.  How about you?  Men, have you treated your wives and women with the care and love that Christ treated the church with?  Women, have you respected and honored your husbands and men as the Lord has commanded you?  No, we "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way" (Isaiah 53:6a).  And now look at our later end!  We all in one fashion or another allowed the wicked one and his servants of vice and evil to corrupt our hearts into disobedience against our Maker and Master, the Great and Only Lord God.  "An enemy hath done this." (Mat 13:28b).

     Women's "Liberation" was all a part of satan's plan, carried out by his servants (no-name-necessary) living among us today.  The concept of the "Women's Liberation Movement," while craftily dressed-up in a fine sounding name, is foreign and contrary to the Holy Scriptures of God.  Sorry if any women doesn't like that; but let them take it up with God when they meet Him.  I'm sure that He will value their input and correction greatly.  :o) 

    But He shall judge them by His written Word, regardless.

     Mankind (men and women) have always rebelled against their God; so then, is it any great wonder that at the end of the world women would also rebel against their menand shortly after that the children against their parents?  It's another sign of the times.  But today's women aren't the first to fall downremember Eve with the serpent (especially if you know What was the Real sin in the garden of Eden).  Eve was the first "Liberated Woman."  Seeking to be "free" to do as she pleased, she was "liberated" from eternal life: "And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:  But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." (Gen 3:2-3).  Hopefully she was reunited with eternal life in the end: "Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing , if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." (1 Tim 2:15).  God knows.

     Women today think that "Women's Liberation" is harmless fun; they enjoy the taste of open rebellion and lust to do whatever feels good whenever it feels good; not realizing that by their direct disobedience to the oracles of God they have themselves become pawns in satan's usurpation of God's structured, ordered, and natural world.  Then teaching this same rebellion and wantonness to their daughters, thus taking every generation that shall follow them down deeper than they themselves in their generation have fallen.  Biblically, God assigns women to have the greater responsibility in matters sexual, because it is within their bodies that He fashions His beloved children.  And no, it is anything but harmless fun; as they shall find out on that last Great Day from the Master Himself (Rev 20:11-12). 

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.  And watch, watchmen, watch!
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Is loyalty to pastor more important than loyalty God?

 

A (male) Reader Writes:

Et Tu Nick?

Hello my friend, I've written to you before.  I've always respected the
way thus far that you've been able to come to your own conclusions while
still showing respect for the good Pastor from Arkansas.  Please don't
tell me you're headed down the road I think you may be going down.

I've seen a lot of long time students come to a point where they realize
that the good Pastor from Arkansas is not 100% correct in every
conclusion he makes.  He has never claimed infallibility and constantly
reminds people to do their homework and think for themselves.  I've seen
a lot of these longtime students come to almost  hate the Pastor from
Arkansas once they come to this realization that he is indeed fallible.
In fact, it's pretty obvious that the realization that the Pastor from
Arkansas is not perfect was a huge factor in Lance Knight going nuts.  I
heard that first broadcast when he "turned".  He was inferring that the
good Pastor from Arkansas was the antichrist, while at the same time
still using the good pastor's mannerisms (like "put it on the shelf").
It's like he just couldn't handle the fact that the Pastor from Arkansas
wasn't perfect, and of course he had plenty of help to formulate his new
doctrine. 

I love and respect you my brother and I really hope that you were just
blowing off some steam, and you are not headed down that same road as
I've seen some longtime students go.  It's good to be discerning, and to
seperate yourselves from false doctrine, but you can seperate yourself
to the point where you are the only one left!  If we start cutting
ourselves off from Pastor's like the good one in Arkansas, who is left?
I'm not neccessarily directing that at you, I just keep seeing some
longtime students (many who are female) seperate themselves to the point
to where they've become elitists.

Now, regarding Rahab.  I agree with you [Was Rahab (Joshua 2:1, etc.) really a prostitute?].  I also agree with your
opinions regarding women and their place in the body of Christ.  It's
also sort of ironic that the women that the Pastor from Arkansas has
gone out of his way to exhort have caused him a lot of grief in  these
online forumns and e-mail groups.   However, I honestly do not think
that Pastor Murray is knowingly tickling ears or knowningly trying to or
add to scripture.  I think he genuinely believes that women are sold
short in a lot of instances, and he genuinely believes that Rahab was
not a harlot.  I beleive he's wrong, but sincere. 

Anyway, again I hope you were just blowing off steam and not headed in
the direction of elitism.  I hope you understand the spirit in which I
write this.  I'm just a little concerned.

One more thing... Awhile back (when your site went down breifly, my
question was probably lost in the shuffle) I asked you a question about
the tares.  I asked why Christ seemed to acknowledge that the tares were
children of Abraham in John 8:37.... After much meditation I think I may
know the answer....

As you have pointed out, people are rarely 100% anything in terms of
race.  For example, I am part Irish, part German, and possibly part
Scottish.  Most likely the tares that Christ was addressing were  mixed
as well.  They may have had some Israelite blood in them, but mostly
their lineage was non-Israelite.  What do you think? 

God Bless!
 

Answer:

      Well, how are you?  I don't recognize your E-mail address, but that's okay. I will take your letter in the spirit of constructive criticism, and not attack.  Which is somewhat hard to do, what with your opening line of, "Et Tu Nick?"  For those who do not recognize the Greek phrase, it was Caesar's dying words to his trusted friend, Brutus, upon discovering his participation in his assassination.  The whole phrase is et tu Brute," meaning "even you, Brutus?", as documented in the New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy (Third Edition. 2002):

Et tu, Brute?

(et TOOH BROOH-tay) A Latin sentence meaning �Even you, Brutus?� from the play Julius Caesar, by William Shakespeare. Caesar utters these words as he is being stabbed to death, having recognized his friend Brutus among the assassins.

� �Et tu, Brute?� is used to express surprise and dismay at the treachery of a supposed friend.

     So, to disagree with pastor Murray now makes me a betrayer in your eyes?  Nevertheless, I will overlook that, and move to the substance of your critique, for much teaching can be based upon it.  You said:

"I love and respect you my brother and I really hope that you were just
blowing off some steam, and you are not headed down that same road as
I've seen some longtime students go.  It's good to be discerning, and to
seperate yourselves from false doctrine, but you can seperate yourself
to the point where you are the only one left!  If we start cutting
ourselves off from Pastor's like the good one in Arkansas, who is left? "

     Regarding me going down the Lance Knight road; don't worry, this is not possible.  Lance Knight (and his followers) went over to satan's side.  I work for God, as should all good Christians.  Nobody (that I know of) has done more to expose Lance Knight's heresies than I.  So much so that I was afraid that it was beginning to look like I had some kind of personal vendetta against the guy (I don't).  So how could you even allude to me becoming as he?  That was a low blow, fella.  See our:

     Regarding "cutting ourselves off from Pastor's like the good one in Arkansas":  I have never advocated anyone "cutting themselves off" from pastor M.  In fact, I have stated that he is the best one out there.  But I have also stated that there are some areas where I feel that he strays from the Scriptures.  I then present my case Scripturally and ask the reader to decide for him/herself what is the truth of the matter.  Is there another way that you would have me to do it?

You said:

"Now, regarding Rahab.  I agree with you.  I also agree with your
opinions regarding women and their place in the body of Christ. "

     Then what exactly is your problem here with me?  For you know that on the above two topics that you mentioned, pastor M. is in direct contradiction with his teachings on the matters.  Shouldn't you be sending him an E-mail of correction? 

(The reader references our Was Rahab (Joshua 2:1, etc.) really a prostitute?, and "Suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man," was God just kidding?, etc. questions & answers)

You said:

"However, I honestly do not think
that Pastor Murray is knowingly tickling ears or knowningly trying to or
add to scripture."

    You refer to my statement in Was Rahab (Joshua 2:1, etc.) really a prostitute?, where I state:

"...Regarding what "certain" pastors say, I would ask you, where in the Bible do you read that she [Rahab the harlot] was a "cloth merchant," or a "dyer of purple cloth"?  Or where do you read that she "was just a excellent business woman who made the finest cloth, and that the silly men just called her a harlot because they were jealous that they couldn't manage to make as good of cloth as her"?  You won't find that between the covers of the Bible, it isn't in my Bible, anyway. 

    And if Rahab wasn't [a] harlot, and if God allowed error into His written Word (God forbid), five times calling this woman a prostitute when she wasn't; then also the below women are not harlots [the harlots mentioned in Matthew 21:31, Matthew 21:32, Luke 15:30, 1 Corinthians 6:15-16 ], but are rather "cloth makers" with a keen business savy.  You get the point. ....

...It is never right to contradict the Word of God, it is never right to add to the Scriptures, it is never right to say that what is in the Bible is a lieno matter how much you desire to tickle the ears of your female congregants.  Once you start chopping out what you personally find objectionable in the Bible, you then find yourself on a very slippery slope.  The Word is often hard, and we must take it as it is delivered: ..."

I stand by the above.

You said:

"I think he genuinely believes that women are sold
short in a lot of instances, and he genuinely believes that Rahab was
not a harlot.  I beleive he's wrong, but sincere."

     Sure he's sincere; but that doesn't make a wrong, right.  He believes that Rahab was not a harlot because he doesn't want to believe that she was.  What does that matter to us?  Everybody has a threshold.

     You said that: "I think he genuinely believes that women are sold short in a lot of instances".  Okay, so too does the Bible, and God has a very good reason for it.  Your problem, my friend, is with God, not with me.

Genesis 3:16-17
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;  KJV

     Contrary to what some might wish, God never rescinded this pecking order: God, Jesus Christ, man, woman, and lastly, child; and after that the animal kingdom.  The husband is over the wife, he is more, and she is less; that is undisputable:

Ephesians 5:20-25
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;  KJV

     And just so that some Feminist heretic can't say that it was only Apostle Paul, with his own imaginations, who put women into their place (and satan does have them saying this), let's hear from Apostle Peter as well on the matter:

1 Peter 3:5-7
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered. KJV

     I am suddenly getting a lot of Feminist-based questions/comments.  I wonder why that is.  Anyway, in all things the Bible must be our final authority, regardless of how much we may admire any pastor or Bible teacher.  If what any man or woman says does not align with what God says in His Bible, we must reject man and follow Godno matter how painful that may be to anyone.

Acts 5:29
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.  KJV

     On his "Women of the Bible" tape (tape #760. Date: 1996), the good pastor says that the below Scripture:

1 Corinthians 14:34
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches : for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.  KJV

is not speaking of women, but of ALL PEOPLE, male and female.  He then goes on to say (I'm paraphrasing) how he won't tolerate anyone, male or female chattering in his church.  He says that the "keep silence" means don't be chattering while the preacher is teaching (so as not to disrupt the services).  He says that Paul wasn't saying that women shouldn't teach, but that all people (not just women) shouldn't make noise while church is being held.  Does that work for you, friend?

If so, read the above verse in context with the verse following it:

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
[Gen 3:16, Numbers chpt. 30, etc.]
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.  KJV

     Now, unless God ordained gay marriage, those who were to "keep silence" in the churches were specifically females, because men don't have "husbands at home" (yet).

     You get the point.  The verse means that women aren't supposed to be leading in churches, and that if they do not understand something that they are to ask their husbands at home.  The husband is responsible for the religious teaching tin the family (though I know we don't do so well).  And actually, verse 35 above goes even further, women aren't even supposed to speak in the churches, much less stand at a pulpit teaching in one.

   In that whole tape ("Women of the Bible" tape #760. Date: 1996) the good pastor makes many leaps and takes many things for granted.  Concerning Deborah, he alludes that because Deborah was asked to accompany Barak on a military campaign, that somehow women are now to be head over the male.  Many other such leaps did he make.  What he failed to point out in the Deborah incident is that what happened was unnatural, and that Deborah herself noted that Barak would suffer shame because he turned to a woman to lead (actually to accompany):

Judges 4:8-9
8 And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go: but if thou wilt not go with me, then I will not go.
9 And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh.  KJV

     And the woman that Deborah was referring to in, "for the LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman", was not herself, she was referring to another woman, Jael, who killed the enemy leader Sisera:

Judges 4:17-21
17 Howbeit Sisera fled away on his feet to the tent of Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite: for there was peace between Jabin the king of Hazor and the house of Heber the Kenite.
18 And Jael went out to meet Sisera, and said unto him, Turn in, my lord, turn in to me; fear not. And when he had turned in unto her into the tent, she covered him with a mantle.
19 And he said unto her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water to drink; for I am thirsty. And she opened a bottle of milk, and gave him drink, and covered him.
20 Again he said unto her, Stand in the door of the tent, and it shall be, when any man doth come and inquire of thee, and say, Is there any man here? that thou shalt say, No.
21 Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.  KJV

     You can't teach the above as a doctrine of "feminine equality" in the Bible; that just isn't what it was teachingquite the contrary.  What happened was used as a negative exampleBarak didn't trust God, he trusted in God's prophetess instead.  Yes, Deborah was a prophetess, and a married woman; she spoke God's words.  When God can't find a fit faith-filled man to lead, He will turn to a womanto the shame of Israel His people.

Judges 4:4-6
4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.
6 And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedesh-naphtali, and said unto him, Hath not the LORD God of Israel commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun?  KJV

     Numerous times on that tape he calls certain women in the Biblepreachersto the great applauds and hoots of the females in the audience; when the Bible says no such thing.  He also mocked other preachers who held to the patriarchal (male dominant) mood of the Bibleto the giggles and laughter of the female congregants in the background.  Inciting an entire church full of women to rebellion.  How many marriages have failed in that church, I wonder?  I've "butted heads" with more than a few female SCN students (mostly on female owned and run unauthorized "Shepherds Chapel" talk forums)new feminists to the one.  I even once lost a Christian girlfriend over this insurrection.   

     On that same tape the good pastor stated of the below:

Acts 21:8-11
8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.
11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.  KJV

that these four women were preachers, and that Phillip sent them out when the "best preaching" was needed.  The pastor added all that to verse nine abovewhich says no such thingall to the awe of the female congregants who could be heard in the background sounding off approvingly.  Get the tape for yourself and listen; it's only $5.00.  That whole tape is flawed doctrine constituting addition to the Scriptures.  Sorry, but that is the truth of the matter.  The tape should be withdrawn, it is an embarrassment to an otherwise fine Christian ministry.  And I happen to like the good pastor.  And no, I do not hate womenI just would that they kept their God-given place.  The Western Christian Nation's family-unit is all but in total ruins over this Feminist garbagehow far will it go?  How much further down can it go?

     The main argument used by the closeted Feminists in the Christian churches is that "it would have been unfair of God to make women less than men, or to make men more than women."  These sort show their ignorance for God's Word, contempt for His judgments, and rebellion against His precepts:

Romans 9:14-23
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,  KJV

     None of us know what we did in the First Earth Age, nor why we are formed as we are formed in this Second Earth Age.  (For the Three Earth Ages, see our: When was Thee beginning?).  Why is one born male, the other female?  Why is one born blind, the other whole?  Why is one born into a Muslim family/nation, and the other into a Christian family/nation?  That is God's providence, "who art thou that repliest against God?" (Romans 9:20b) or who is any of us to ask, "Is there unrighteousness with God?" (Roms 9:14b).

"They" (the so-called "Christian Feminists") say that it is unfair that God:

Genesis 3:16
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.  KJV

Or that the below was unfair of God:

Ephesians 5:22-25
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;  KJV

     So what!  It matters not what "they" think.  No, not one wit!  Get over it, you are what you are.  Start acting like it, please.  Thank you.  "Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?" (Rom 9:20b).    God knows what He is doing; women, quit rebelling, to your own hurt.

You said:

"I asked why Christ seemed to acknowledge that the tares were
children of Abraham in John 8:37.... After much meditation I think I may
know the answer....

As you have pointed out, people are rarely 100% anything in terms of
race.  For example, I am part Irish, part German, and possibly part
Scottish.  Most likely the tares that Christ was addressing were  mixed
as well.  They may have had some Israelite blood in them, but mostly
their lineage was non-Israelite.  What do you think?"

    Yes, you are correct.  That is also what John the Baptist was referring to when he said:

Matthew 3:7-9
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.  KJV

     Also, have you seen our: What means: "the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one"?

Peace to you in Christ Jesus.

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The Reader Writes Back:

Hi Nick,

Just saw your post in response to my e-mail below.  You said that you
did not recognize my e-mail address.  To refresh your memory,  you've
answered one of my questions on the site before.  see:
https://watchman.news/watchman-bs-site-arcv/answers40.htm#3.   If you reread that
original question that I wrote you a few months back, you'll see that
I've always been an admirer of the way you've been able to respectfully
disagree with PM.

I apologize for my "et tu" comment.  A poor choice of words, I did not
mean to imply betrayal, I meant simply to imply that I was surprised at
what you wrote.  I can see where you would take that the wrong way.
It's one of those phrases that has worked it's way into the English
language, and in my mind it's been kind of stripped of it's full
meaning.  All I really meant to imply that your comments were surprising
to me.  A really poor choice of words on my part and I apologize for it.

Also, I apologize if you thought I was comparing you to Lance Knight in
any way.  That was not my intent.  I know that you have taken great
pains to lead people away from his teachings.  I only brought him up as
an extreme example of someone who had problems once they came to the
realization that PM is not perfect.  I apologize if you thought I was
comparing you to him in any way.  I was really just talking in general
about the many students I've run into who seem to be turning against PM,
instead of just acknowledging that he's a good teacher that they don't
agree with him on all points. 

This frustration with these former students led me write to you and led
to my opening "et tu" line. I have always thought that you've done a
good job of respecting PM for what he is, while also intelligently
documenting your opinions that differ from his.  I was a little worried
because the tone of your  Rahab answer was stronger than what I've seen
in the past, and was a bit worried that you were perhaps condemning PM,
or separating yourself from him.  I can see that's not the case.  You
are obviously passionate about the topic of women and their place in the
body of Christ.  I can see from your response that you still respect PM,
but are willing to disagree with him when his opinions don't square with
the word of God.  This was exactly the response I was hoping to see from
you!

Again, I apologize.  My e-mail was meant to be very friendly and
informal.  I didn't mean for my words to be attacking, or even critical
for that matter.  I should have put more thought into my e-mail to
ensure that my intended tone came through.   

By the way, regarding Lance Knight.... Is he still active?  I remember
him posting those live broadcasts for a couple of weeks and then
nothing.  His website has been dead for a long time and he pulled the
link to that horrible forum from his website a few months back.  Is he
"retired" now or is he just staying away from the net and concentrating
on his local followers?  Just curious.  

Again, I apologize my friend.  You have every right to disagree with PM
anytime you feel he is not sticking to the scriptures.  I really enjoy
your site.  I think you do a fantastic job. 

Your friend in Christ,

Xxxxx X Xxxxxxxxx


Answer:

Hello.  I wasn't offended, nor did I feel that you were attacking me.  You did nothing wrong and I do not feel slighted by you, though I did feel the need to make mention of the history of the term "Et Tu Brute".

    Your letter gave an excellent opportunity to teach deeper on the matters covered.  And I thank you for it.  I feel that at this in the body of Christ one of the more pressing matters is that of gender roles.  This is important because in the endtime many false teachers shall arise, not a few of them women.  Remember Mary Eddy Baker (Christian Science founderess), Margaret Macdonald (Rapture proponent), Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (founderess of the "spirituality" movement), etc.  Search history, no religious movement or system founded or run by a woman has been good or godly, nor has it been of God.  God doesn't use women for that task; they are to follow, not to lead.  And all idolatrous systems have some feminine deity figure.  And even Israel had the Temple Prostitutes who were used in profane worship both in the Temple and in the groves.  Satan uses women to conquer men.  Always has, always will.  Remember Eve and her Adam. 

    And satan is the author of everything unnatural; like the current trend of female-dominated families, and oftentimes man-less families being headed by obstinate divorced or never-married wanton women. 

    Sometimes I have to remind myself, that when answering a reader's E-mail I should inform them that I am answering to a group of people who may be reading itnot necessarily only to the one who wrote it.  So that when I write the word "you" in an answer, I am not necessarily meaning the person that wrote in the original question, but rather the reader of the answer. 

    So, I am sorry if I made you feel uncomfortable. 

    I now remember yousorry for forgetting, but I get a lot of mail...and not everyone signs with their name...and E-mail addressees are hard to remember.... 

    I don't know what Lance is doing.  I heard that he wasn't so active anymore, but that source is questionable.  I suspect that he will fizzle-out when his predictions come and go unfulfilled.  Perhaps he has a core group.  I really don't know.  The man never replied to me when I tried to reach out to him when he began his fall.  And after the way I countered his teachings on my Website, I don't suspect that I am one of his favorite people now.  But I just hope that my expos� helped some of his students come out from under his teachings. 

    And actually, I liked your Et Tu ..., how did you like my Fait Accompli?

fait accompli
SYLLABICATION:
fait ac�com�pli
NOUN:
Inflected forms: pl. faits ac�com�plis
PRONUNCIATION:
 ft�-k�-pl, -plz, ft�-)
An accomplished, presumably irreversible deed or fact.
ETYMOLOGY:
French : fait, fact + accompli, accomplished.
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.  2000. 

    Sorry if I sounded harsh, but when I answer Q&As on the Website I tend to be brutally honest.  Me and you are fine, as far as I am concerned. 

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.

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The Katabole, Noah's Flood, and the Ice Age―dating

 

A Reader Writes:

Hello:

Do you have any information or could you lead me to any information explaining WBSG�s belief of the ice age occurring after the first flood (Katabole), not the flood of Noah�s time, which most other churches believe.  Many believe that there was humans around during this time as evidenced of tools and bones were discovered around the mammoth remains, which makes me tend to believe it occurred after Noah�s flood, but I would like to be more certain.  I searched the WBSG website, but couldn�t find anything.

Thanks for the help.

Xxxx  Xxxxxxxx
 

Answer:

Because of the date of the "Ice Age."  The "last" one is estimated at ending approximately 14,000 years ago (which coincides rather perfectly with the 6,000 years from today back to Adam, and the 8,000 years from Adam to the end of the Katabole  (each Creation Day being a 1,000 years with man [2nd Pet 3:7]).  6,000 + 8,000 = 14,000.  Coincidence?  Don't you bet on it!

A thousand of man's years equals one of God's days 

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.  KJV

Second witness:

Psalms 90:1-4
LORD, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.  KJV

The flood year (Noah's) was 2348-2347 B.C., which was only about 3700 years ago. 

    Also, because that (the Katabole) was when the sun was "turned-off".  No sun = water turns to ice.  Water to ice on a global scale = Ice Age.  Observe:

Genesis 1:2-4
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. KJV

You said:

"Many believe that there was humans around during this time as evidenced of tools and bones were discovered around the mammoth remains"

    Remember, there were no HUMAN bones found!  Don't believe the hype, there haven't been any Human bones found older than approximately 9000 years old (Some say the oldest is 13,000, but I don't believe it).  All others are not human, but are other species, many of which are now extinct.  Like "Lucy" for instance; the three foot tall "pre-human"; she was an extinct species of ape!  On and on it goes, evil men try to corrupt the facts to destroy God.  God shall one day destroy them.  Darwin's Theory of Evolution has been exposed as seriously and irreparably flawed, yet the International Judaics insist that it (Evolution instead of God) is taught in all core-curriculums globally.  Gee, why do you think that is? 

Also, you stated:

"...any information explaining WBSG�s belief of the ice age occurring after the first flood (Katabole), not the flood of Noah�s time, which most other churches believe."

    But you must remember, most churches are totally ignorant to the Katabole; therefore, for them, there is only one flood, the Flood of Noah.  The churches are failing, first in knowledge, next in faithfulness.  The end draws nigh.  In the Tribulation, the "churches" shall be just another enemy to the true Bible-believing Christian; is it not already happening?  The "churches" have been infiltrated for a long time now, by the guess who's

    Nevertheless, a flood of any sort is not a precursor to an Ice Age.  So why key in on floods?  An Ice Age is the result of a lack of heat on the planet.  A flood has nothing whatsoever to do with global temperature and/or sun output. 

Peace to you in Christ Jesus.

PS:  For an explanation of the Katabole, see Bullinger's appendix, "The Foundation of the World".
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 When?  How Long O Lord?

 

A Reader Writes:

Hi there, are you Pastor Nick (or just Nick)? :)

     I'm [Xxxxxxxxxxx] from Mpls, MN, a student of Shepherd's Chapel since 1993
and fellow watchman who's, frankly, FED UP with the lull in prophetic
events and the word "benchmark" in particular.  This has been going on
year ('02) after year ('03) after year ('04) after year ('05) since
9/11/'01 with no coherent understanding between pastors and fellow
students with eyes to see as to WHEN--what YEAR!--we can finally expect
to see the fulfillment of MAJOR bible prophecy (not just a natural
disaster or two, followed by more lulls!)

     On May 5th, 2000 there was supposed to be a "perfect planetary
alignment" and when that failed to usher in the start of satan's trib,
one of my fellow students wrote, "Nothing has happened, and probably
never will."   And by "nothing" she meant ANYTHING short of the Deadly
Wound to the one world political system!  Can you blame her?  She's been
studying with PM since '89.

     Nick, we're all fed up, and find the idea of having to wait until
2018 (70 years from 1948) almost unendurable.  Not everyone thought the
"end" should have come in 2000, or 2001, but it is now safe to say the
MAJORITY of serious bible students feel we're PAST the POINT of when a 3
1/2 year "sealing period" should have at least begun.... and it hasn't,
if you follow the Q&A session of PM's program, some of these students
are only just being called out of confusion from man's traditions. 

     I listened to PM's recent lecture "Visions" from Passover '06, in
which he tried to put his best spin on a possible 2007 scenario versus
2014, and then backpedaled, of course, from "setting dates" yet again,
but it's all just become SO TIRED.... and surely Yahoveh our heavenly
Father has to know this!

     Please help to encourage those watchmen like me who are simply
running out of steam!  By now it's become a matter of boring ritual for
those with eyes to see, waiting and watching as another May, another
calendar year clicks off through unrelenting ominousness, or, the lack
of seeing tangible bible prophecy come to a head. 

     Perhaps a no-nonsense study regarding what STILL does and does NOT
need to occur BEFORE the first beast of REV receives it DW [Deadly Wound―Rev 13:3] would help
somewhat to clarify in the minds of so many students what we should be
looking for.  Does there have to be a one world currency before the
Deadly Wound, or does THAT come into reality during satan's trib?  How
about a female U.S. president, or a third Bush term (under Jeb, no
less)?  Does that have to happen first?  What about colonies of people
living on Mars?  Do you see where this is going, how so many of us
well-meaning servants are frustrated to the hilt?

     This is your first e-mail from me as I've only recently discovered
your bible study site, and I commend you overall for a superb site with
many excellent studies!  I took a long break from the 'net after it
became clear in the Spring of '03 that the invasion of Iraq and
overthrow of Saddam was not coinciding with the casting out of satan to
this earth.  I was just floored last year, but not entirely shocked,
when Lance Knight abruptly quit teaching and ended his on-line ministry
after the death of the Pope didn't materialize into the next-to-last
"benchmark" (I now HATE that word!) before the DW.  Oh well!  You'd have
thought Pastor Knight would have at least finished the book of Isaiah,
which he had started teaching in e-mail studies some two years earlier
and plodded thru during '03 and '04....but he, like so many others, was
simply That FED UP!

    I take a very small consolation in the fact that many other SC
students are sick and tired of trying to follow current events.  We're
FED UP with not knowing for certain if we're truly living in the closing
years of this flesh dispensation, but I don't want to GIVE UP the belief
that I may have a destiny to fulfill.... at least not before 2018!

    Nick, please help!

Yours in Christ,
Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxx Xxxxxx.
 

Answer:

Hello Xxxxx.  I myself began studying the Bible with The Shepherds Chapel Christian Bible study ministry about 14-16 years ago (don't remember exactly when, maybe less; most surely in the very early 1990s).  And I have always recommended them, even though I am in minor disagreement with them over some matters (mostly prophecy matters); but they are sound regarding salvation issues, and are an excellent television ministry to learn foundational Christian doctrine, etc.  As for endtime studies?  Well, let me just say that we are in some disagreement regarding those issues.  May I add that I highly respect pastor Arnold Murray and his work for our Lord?  The Lord Jesus Christ has led many to salvation through pastor Murray's televised Bible studieswe mustn't forget that.

     I am not a ordained minister.  I am simply a Bible student who believes that "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." (Prov 30:5), and when any man or religious system disagrees with that "every word", I am content to "let God be true, but every man a liar" (Roms 3:4b).  I also believe that that "every word" can today be faithfully found in the King James Bible.

Romans 3:3-6
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true , but every man a liar ; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?  KJV

     It is by choice that I am not a pastor; it would be no hard thing for me to do, to become an ordained pastor/minister.  To the shame of Christianity this can even be done by mail-order!  So of what value is the title anymore?  Nevertheless, I simply at this time do not feel led to become an ordained minister.  Partly (or perhaps mostly) because when one is ordained into or by a certain denomination, then they are beholden to teach that particular denomination's doctrineregardless of whether it aligns 100% with the written Word of God (the Bible) or not.  I can't sell myself into thatnot for any denomination.  So I just do what I do, and be whatever I may be.  No titles for me.  You may just call me Nick or brother, for I am a brother to all true Christian men and women in Christ.  We are all, both men and women, brethren in our Lord Jesus Christ.

    As for pastor Lance Knight of the now-defunked King's Chapel: he has gone over to the other side.  He is not making sense, he is babbling demonic urgings.  No more need be said about him and his followers.  He is through, satan has used him up and fully spent him.  Lance is a fait accompli; but Pray for those led astray by his teachings, who risk the same fate as Lance should they begin to teach these doctrines of devils to others.  See: The Overnight fall of Pastor Lance Knight and his Flock (with audio excerpts of Lance's heretical 'teachings').

     Now, on to your question; which is basically: "'When does the endtime events (the Tribulation) commence?"

     And this is no easy thing to answer concisely; for, many errors must be corrected before moving forward with that answer.  Unfortunately, at this time and in this short E-mail we shall not be able to correct all these errors.  But let me just state that your below is one such error.  You said:

"but it is now safe to say the MAJORITY of serious bible students feel we're PAST the POINT of when a 3 1/2 year "sealing period" should have at least begun"

     But there is no "3 1/2 year 'sealing period'."  Not in the Bible anyway.  The only sealing in the book of Revelation is those sealed BEFORE the foundation of the world; and, those 144,000 sealed of true Israel (not today's antichristian so-called "Jews").

The Christian "in general":

Revelation 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him
[the beast], whose names are not written in the book of life [i.e., are NOT Christians] of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.  KJV

Ephesians 1:3-13
1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
[i.e., to ALL Christians, not just to some "special group of 'Elect' people"]
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,  KJV

The 144,000:

Revelation 7:2-5
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
[... etc. through verse 8] KJV

You said:

"Perhaps a no-nonsense study regarding what STILL does and does NOT need to occur BEFORE the first beast of REV receives it DW [Deadly Wound―Rev 13:3] would help somewhat to clarify in the minds of so many students what we should be looking for. . . . Do you see where this is going, how so many of us well-meaning servants are frustrated to the hilt?"

     Yes, I do see, and have seen for quite some time now.  And you haven't seen anything yet!  And "no-nonsense study" is what I am trying to do on Watchmen Bible Study Group Websiteto study current events as they relate to Biblical prophecy, and moreover, to identify satan's servants in these endtimes; for, God's servants shall be mightily resisted and ruthlessly persecuted by satan's servants before (and especially during) the Great Tribulation.  But there is a problemNobut there is a GREAT problem.  Let me sum up that "great problem" in a few words: 

     Satan's servants are being protected by lies and subterfuge; so much so, that any Christian teacher or preacher who dares to mention the so-called "Jews" with anything other than fawning praise is vilified as being a so-called AntiSemite or Neo-Nazi or other such undesirable fellow. 

     So, at once, satan has a cloak by which he hides his busy servants.  And busy they are!  Even today they are preparing the release of the movie version of the best selling The Da Vinci Code, which is an utter blasphemy of God, Christ, and Christian church.  Yet people seek for signs.  What more signs need we?  The whole world is happy to receive a movie that paints Jesus ChristGod come in the flesh, mind you!―as one who is guilty of incest; for, we are all God's children, and God Himself came in the flesh as Jesus Christ; therefore, had Jesus Christ had sex with Mary Magdalene (His daughter!), He would be guilty of the sin of incest per Leviticus 18:6, etc.  So, now, God is the sinner?!?  What a twist!  And "we," God's creation, the world that is, seems to "love to have it so" (Jer 5:31b).

Leviticus 18:1-6
18:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.
3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.
4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
6
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness [engage in sexual intercourse]: I am the LORD.  KJV

     How happy the antichrist Jews are to spread this Talmudic filth!  Yet, overthrown, lukewarm, salt-less, Biblically ignorant, and all-to-willing-to-please Christians object not.  How far can the end be!  You want a sign?  Look at the TV this evening, see how Christianity is mocked, Christ hated, and God blasphemed.  This could not be so, a scant twenty years ago.  Today it is the norm in all (paper, film, sit-com, commentary, news, radio, satellites, cable, etc.) Judaic-dominated media venues.  And they have only just begun to gather up steam!  They are now completely and totally unhindered.  You have now just begun to really taste full blown, unadulterated, uncloaked, blasphemy of God and Christ Jesus.  But don't you dare mention the WHO that is that is doing this; for, if you dare mention them, then you are guilty of a thought-crime far greater than their absolute blasphemy of Godyou are now an, oh my gosh!, a so-called "AntiSemite."  Wake up people, will you please?  You ARE seeing the end.

     "But...but...to say that 'the Jews' control all media is AntiSemitism unleashed," the beguiled play-Christian lemmings may say.  Well, if that is the case, then the International Judaics who wrote the Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion were "unleashing" so-called "AntiSemitism" when, as early as circa 1897, they boasted of the very fact that they had already by that time controlled the media.  Who could assume that they somehow lost this control?  They never lost it, they rather intensified their grip on it.

PROTOCOL No. 7

...[5.] We must compel the governments of the GOYIM to take action in the direction favored by our widely conceived plan, already approaching the desired consummation, by what we shall represent as public opinion, secretly promoted by us through the means of that so-called "Great Power" - THE PRESS, WHICH, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS THAT MAY BE DISREGARDED, IS ALREADY ENTIRELY IN OUR HANDS. ... The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion (circa 1897)

     All local newspapers get their International News from localized global outlets, like namely the AP (Associated Press) and Reuters Newswire, etc.  By controlling the main information servers, the International Judaics control every story, other than the local news and want-ads, that appear each morning in every large and small town newspaper in the Western world (and beyond).  And by controlling the main satellite feeds, they control the content of every television newscast globally that subscribes to their service.  Your local newspaper does not have correspondents in the Middle East, at the World Bank, or at the United Nations; and your local TV news does not have reporters broadcasting live from China, Russia, South Africa, Canada, Great Brittan, Antarctica, the Congo, etcthey all are subscriber services.  It is not at all difficult to place ones fingerprint upon every significant piece of information that hits the ears of the peoples of the world each and every day. 

PROTOCOL No. 12

...[4.] NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them. ... The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion (circa 1897)

     The sad fact, that no one seems to be willing to admit, is that Christianity shall fail.  Else, how could the below come to pass in the world:

Revelation 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him
[given to the the beast by the dragon (see verse 4a)] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.  KJV

     The "he" of verse 6 above, who opens his mouth in "blasphemy against God", is the first beast of Revelation chapter 13, it is the one-world system built-up by select men on this Earth; it is not the antichrist (satan), who doesn't arrive until verse 11; "And I beheld another beast..." (Rev 13:11a).  A careful read of verse 4 and 5 above shall bear that out.

     Question:  Does the world suddenly "wake up one day" under domination by this beast system, or does it come in gradually with many centuries of groundwork?  Question:  Does this world system "just wake up one day" under the control of certain men, or do these certain men and their children and their children's children (their seedGen 3:15) slowly and methodically lay their plans and snares in place over the millenniaawaiting that great day when they can consummate this world in their god satan (antichrist)?

     Let every reader judge for him/her self.  And if they need it explained to themthen they wouldn't get it anyways.

Genesis 3:14-15
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.  KJV

     So then, WHO is it today that we see nullifying the Bible and injecting false doctrine as the Word of God?  WHO is it that blasphemes God and Jesus Christ today?  WHO is it that is usurping the world for their god satan?

     Many people don't like referencing The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion because they have been lied to and have been told that the Protocols are an "AntiSemitic Forgery."  So, let's go to the Jew's holiest book of all, the Babylonian Talmud (appropriately named!), for information which no antichristian Jew can deny:

     Quotations below from: THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TALMUD:  A Documented Expos� of Jewish Supremacist Hate Literature by Michael Hoffman.

Quotation #1:

"The Talmud Nullifies the Bible

The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.

Shmuel Safrai in The Literature of the Sages Part One (p.164), points out that in chapters 4 and 5 of the Talmud's Gittin Tractate, the Talmud nullifies the Biblical teaching concerning money-lending: "Hillel decreed the prozbul for the betterment of the world. The prozbul is a legal fiction which allows debts to be collected after the Sabbatical year and it was Hillel's intention thereby to overcome the fear that money-lenders had of losing their money."

The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ's lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord's pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.

Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread "Judeo-Christian" notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of rabbis, not God. ..."

Quotation #2:

"Jesus in the Talmud:

Horrible Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ

While it is the standard disinformation practice of apologists for the Talmud to deny that it contains any scurrilous references to Jesus Christ, certain Orthodox Jewish organizations are more forthcoming and admit that the Talmud not only mentions Jesus but disparages him (as a sorcerer and a demented sex freak). These orthodox Jewish organizations make this admission perhaps out of the belief that Jewish supremacy is so well-established in the modern world that they need not concern themselves with adverse reactions.

For example, on the website of the Orthodox Jewish Hasidic Lubavitch group--one of the largest in the world--we find the following statement, complete with Talmudic citations:

"The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of 'Jesus the Nazarene':

1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).

2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).

3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

End quote from http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm (Lubavitch website) March 5, 2000.  [Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Lubavitch "Noah's Covenant Website," as it appeared on their website at http://www.noahide.com on March 5, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].

Let us examine further some of these anti-Christ Talmud passages:

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."

Kallah 51a.:

"The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head [the modern-day unbiblical Jewish scull-cap (Yarmulke)] and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.

"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans.

"He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life [by a rabbi (!)]). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.'

"Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart [the Jewish unbiblical practice called Kol Nidre, meaning "all vows" (need not be kept); i.e., religiously codified lying.], said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah.

"It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."

In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars, the preceding Talmud discussion is actually about Jesus Christ (the bastard boy who "uncovered his head" and was conceived in the filth of menstruation). The boy's adulterous mother in this Talmud story is the mother of Christ, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in the Talmud).

"The Editio Princeps of the complete Code of Talmudic Law, Maimonides' Mishneh Torah -- replete not only with the most offensive precepts against all Gentiles but also with explicit attacks on Christianity and on Jesus (after whose name the author adds piously, 'May the name of the wicked perish')... --Dr. Israel Shahak [a Jew himself], Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21.

"The Talmud contains a few explicit references to Jesus...These references are certainly not complimentary...There seems little doubt that the account of the execution of Jesus on the eve of Passover does refer to the Christian Jesus...The passage in which Jesus' punishment in hell is described also seems to refer to the Christian Jesus. It is a piece of anti-Christian polemic dating from the post-70 CE period..." --Hyam Maccoby [a Jew himself], Judaism on Trial, pp. 26-27.

"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.

"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...

"The Hebrew form of the name Jesus--Yeshu--was interpreted as an acronym for the curse, 'may his name and memory be wiped out,' which is used as an extreme form of abuse. In fact, anti-zionist Orthodox Jews (such as Neturey Qarta) sometimes refer to Herzl as 'Herzl Jesus' and I have found in religious zionist writings expressions such as "Nasser Jesus" and more recently 'Arafat Jesus." --Dr. Israel Shahak [a Jew himself], Jewish History, Jewish Religion, pp. 97- 98, 118.


Talmud Attacks Christians and Christian Books

Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.

Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come.

Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.

[The Judaic] Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21). ..."

[End excerpt of Talmud teachings]


Much more could be said, but who is listening?

     The problem that I have with pastor Murray is that he clearly identifies that there is a conspiracy to usher in the antichrist, and to hand God's world over to him (satan/antichrist); but he steadfastly refuses to identify these conspirators, preferring rather to place them on a pedestal as the imaginary "our brother Judah".  Thus leaving his students in harm's way.  I know (I think) why he does this.  It is because (in my opinion) that he knows that the International Judaics could bump his Bible study program off the air in a minute.  So, if this is the case, then our dear pastor has also deferred to, and fallen under their control, "for fear of the Jews" (John 19:38).  This is obviously not a good thing.  But this "fear of the Jews" is not some new thing:

Esther 8:17
17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.  KJV

John 7:13
13 Howbeit no man spake openly of him
[Jesus Christ] for fear of the Jews.  KJV

John 19:38
38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.  KJV

John 20:19
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.  KJV

     I know the power of the International Judaic, and how that through the many organs under their control they can crush any that stand in their way or that expose their plansI ought toI have recently been under a full IRS (Internal Revenue Service) audit.  Little old me; I have nothing; a simple public servant making a paltry $60,000 a year after almost 20 years of service, with a not-for-profit Christian Website on the side, is audited suddenly when this year I decided to go full-out and speak openly of the International Judaics plans and schemes.  We have just finished up the year 2000, and are going back year by year (how?) much further, every step taking six to eight weeks to completethus holding up ALL my Income tax return monies, which I could certainly use.  The ironic thing is that the Judaic-controlled IRS is spending a lot of money to get me more moneyfor, every move that they make results in my receiving more money in my returns than I had originally requested.  God certainly does have a sense of humor:

Psalms 59:8
8 But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.  KJV

Well could it be said of the antichristian International Judaics:

Psalms 2:1
2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?  KJV

     Object to me calling the IRS a "Judaic-controlled organ, do you?  Why should you, the graduated income tax is one of the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto (plank #2), authored by one Jew, Karl Marx, and his Jewish cohort, Friedrich Engels.  The whole IRS is a Judaic-inspired and controlled organ.  And for those who "for fear of the Jews" refuse to believe that the International Judaics control America, and have for a very long time, observe the below Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto, bearing in mind what said the Jewish leader:

 �Some call it Marxism [a Communist system named after the Jew Karl Marx] I call it Judaism.�  The American Bulletin, Rabbi Steven Wise, May 5, 1935. 

And again, what said the Jewish newspaper:

�There is much in the fact of Bolshevism (Communism) itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism.  The Jewish Chronicle, April 4, 1919.

Or the below chronicler of history:

Communism is Judaic:

"When it came to Mexico, the promoters of Communism were the Jews Called, Hubermann and Aaron Saenz; in Spain we saw Azana and Rosenberg; in Hungary we saw Bela Kun, Szamuelly, Agoston and dozen other Jews; in Bavaria, we saw Kurt Eisner arid a host of other Jews; in Belgium Marxian Socialism brought to power Vadervelde, alias Epstein, and Paul Hymans, two Jews; in France, Marxian Socialism brought forth the Jews Leon Blum (who showed so well his Jewish instincts in his filthy book Du Mariarge), Handel, Zyromsky, Danain and a whole tribe of them; in Italy we had seen the Jews Nathan and Claudio Treves.  Everywhere, Marxism brings Jews on the top - And this is no hazard.�  Adrian Arcand, New York speech, October 30, 1937.

     Having established Communism as a Jewish organ, let us now observe how it has wrestled control of the American Government.  Excerpt from: The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto Translated including the relevant United States Laws and Constitutional Amendments made to facilitate the ten planks:

The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto:

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance

We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels

We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). This private bank has an exclusive monopoly in money creation which in reality has ended the need for revenue from taxes. So why do they tax? To FOOL YOU into thinking they need them.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State

We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. There is also the postal monopoly, AMTRACK and CONRAIL

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education".

[End excerpt]

     Why look for overt "signs;" for, just as "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation" (Luke 17:20b), so too does antichrist's kingdom come in stealthily.  I am currently trying to complete a book, that I began on December 16, 2004, on this very subject; but I am meeting with considerable resistance and injury in many areas of my life because of it (love, family, finance, civil courts, work, etc―all but health), and in both realms.  And it is only by the grace of God that I will ever be able to complete the work.  When completed, I believe that this book shall put together all the pieces of the puzzle in such a way as that none could naysay against it.  It will stand alone by internal documentation available to all with the most cursory of searches.  It is to be an expos� of the first order, if I may boast a bit.  It is titled: The Coming Storm Called The Great Tribulation, and the work is approximately 40%-50% complete. 

     There is a storm comingnayit has all but landed.  Do you see it?

1 John 4:1-3
4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world
[circa 80 A.D.].  KJV

Much more could be said, but who's listening?

Finally, you said:

"...and fellow watchman who's, frankly, FED UP with the lull in prophetic
events and the word "benchmark" in particular.  This has been going on
year ('02) after year ('03) after year ('04) after year ('05) since
9/11/'01 with no coherent understanding between pastors and fellow
students with eyes to see as to WHEN--what YEAR!--we can finally expect
to see the fulfillment of MAJOR bible prophecy (not just a natural
disaster or two, followed by more lulls!)"

And :

"Do you see where this is going, how so many of us
well-meaning servants are frustrated to the hilt?"

And:

"...one of my fellow students wrote, "Nothing has happened, and probably
never will."   And by "nothing" she meant ANYTHING short of the Deadly
Wound to the one world political system!  Can you blame her? "

     Now please understand that I do not accuse you or anyone, but do be careful that you don't fall into the below prophesied group of endtimers:

2 Peter 3:1-4
3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.  KJV

     There are signs all around useveryday they are coming to pass.  I can't pick up a newspaper without seeing five to ten signs coming to passand that is every day!  It really does become upsetting.  You've got to know where to look, and you've got to know what to look for.  They are there.

     As for the Tribulation?  You seek unto it, but you shall not enjoy the day it beginsnor any day thereafter, till the end.  Don't be so eager, it isn't going to be the "cake-walk" that certain pastors have made it out to be.  See our: Scriptural Evidences That Christians Shall Die In The Great Tribulation.

Peace to you in Christ Jesus.

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A Different Reader Comments On The Above Q&A:

Good answer to that question. There seems to be an
extraordinary number of Christians, apparently well
meaning, who are staring up at the skies waiting to
check off the items on their Prophecy Score Card like
it was a roster at a baseball game.
 

Answer: 

Amen!  There are a whole lot of Christians getting dangerously impatient right about now.  Eagerly expecting easy times at the end of this world, it seems that they have forgotten the ominous warnings of the Master:

Matthew 24:21-22
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.  KJV

     Jesus was never one to exaggerate.  And the page that the below Tribulation verse is on must be missing from their Bibles:

Revelation 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.  KJV

    And regarding this Tribulation: what they are eagerly desirous to rush upon themselves, they won't gladly welcome upon arrival.  

    What's that old saying (falsely attributed to the Bible, by the way), "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"? 

    And how will they hold-up when the stark reality of their situation sets in?  That's the great danger caused by the Tribulation minimists.  They make a lot of "hot house lilies" who hold up well in the protected environment of the glass house shelter, but fall easily when exposed to the harsh elements of an open world.  Well, in the Tribulation, the world is going to open, alright; it's going to burst open right upon the heads of the Christian.  And who is ready? 

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.

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Another  Different Reader Comments On The Above Q&A:

Greetings in Christ Nick!

I hope you are doing well.  I will leave it up to you as to whether you
wish to post this response on your site or not since it is an
observation rather than a question....

I must admit that I was frustrated by this gentleman's statements (not
your response).  Since he states that he's been a Shepherds Chapel
student since 1993 I no longer consider him a babe in Christ and
therefore I don't feel too bad in being a bit critical.

This gentleman is unfortunately representative of what I keep seeing
from long time and former Shepherds Chapel students.... I keep running
into people who put PM on such a high pedestal that when they finally
realize that not everything he says is 100% accurate (he's never claimed
to be 100% accurate and has always insisted that we think for ourselves)
they can't handle it. 

This man has put PM on such a high pedestal that he seems to be blaming
PM for the fact that the major events he's looking for haven't happened
yet.  He seems to think that;

A) PM should know EXACTLY when the end will be.
B) PM should somehow speed the end along for him.

Perhaps he's frustrated with Our Father regarding part B but you get my
point.  PM cannot possibly live up to this man's unrealistic
expectations. 

Perhaps if this man has outgrown PM's teachings he should start trying
to find the answers on his own, and then acknowledge PM's work
respectfully and move on.  No, he wants someone to give him all the
answers which is what he wants you to do for him now. 

I know I sound critical but this guy has been a student for 13 years!  
Surely in all those broadcasts he's heard PM's repeated admonish his
students to think for themselves! He's never claimed to have ALL the
answers so why do people think he should? Unfortunately, as his e-mail
references there are a lot more students just like him.  He may be "FED
UP with the lull in prophetic events and the word "benchmark".  I'm fed
up with students like him. 

God Bless Nick!
 

Answer:

I have posted your observations without comment.  Thank you for showing concern.

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Christian TV ministry changes: "...which say they are JEWS, and are not, but do lie...." (Rev 3:9), to, "...which say they are APOSTLES, and are not, but do lie...."

 

An (outside of USA country) Reader Writes:

   Hello Nick. This is a personal mail [all identifying people and place names have been duly edited out - WBSG].  Thank you for your courage and help in the faith, we pray that you are not tiring. There are people hearing the warnings, between my wife and I we go to your site several times a day. A side note, a couple years ago, during a provincial election on the ballot we could vote on Sunday shopping, the people voted no to Sunday shopping, the next day the papers said the rest of the country would make fun of us. Right day or wrong the people stuck by their belief. next time, who knows.

Friday night, going through the channels, on [Xxxxxx] broadcasting, in my opinion a Jewish network, a m[an] named [Xxxxx Xxxxxxxx] was reading a scripture and when it was put on the screen it was changed to (those who say they are apostles but are not but do lie).  Keep the faith. And to misquote a movie phrase, If you write it they will come.

Name withheld by request. 

Answer: 

WBSG Note:  As always, in these Q&A's when we write the word "you" in a answer, we are not necessarily meaning the person who asked the question; but rather, the reader, or to whom ever it may apply. 

Also, as in all the work on this Website, the use of the term "International Judaic" here does not mean all those people who call themselves "Jews" today.  The "International Judaics" are the elite leaders, carefully and willfully bred from near-pure Kenite stock, which explains the inbreeding and first-cousin marriages[1] arranged by such International Judaic noble family lines such as the Rothschilds and (the crypto-Jews) Rockefellers, etc.  However, the International Judaics do often use, what they call in their Protocols..of Zion, their "lesser brethren" (everyday "Jews") to further their morally destructive schemes and world-hegemony (domination) goals; as they also use "Gentiles," (non-Jews) whom they refer to as "Useful Idiots."  Understanding the above will go a long way to easing fears of the possibility of any so-called AntiSemitism on the part of this writer.

Footnote
[1]  One of other sources briefly mentions this inbreeding while speaking on another topic:  ��When the Mormon Church needed financing in the late 19th century, they went to Kuhn, Loeb Co.[2] To explain the Rothschild�s control of Kuhn, Loeb Co., here is some background information. The method that the House of Rothschild used to gain influence, was the same that Royalty had used for centuries, marriage. The Rothschild children, girls and boys, have had their spouses chosen on the basis of alliances that would benefit the House of Rothschild, but since consolidating world power they generally have married cousins these last two centuries.
[3] [4]

Sub-Footnotes (from above footnote):
[2] Taylor, Samuel W. Rocky Mountain Empire The Later-Day Saints Today. NY: Macmillan Pub. Co., Inc., 1978, p.66.
[3] Read Wilson, Derek. Rothschild, The Wealth and Power of a Dynasty. NY: Charles Scribner�s Sons, 1988.
[4]
THE SATANIC BLOODLINES; �Financial Wizzards & Wealthy Cults ; The Rothschild Bloodline�, by Fritz Springmeier.

And now, to the answer:

 

Wow!  You mean that they changed:

Revelation 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.  KJV

to:

"...those who say they are apostles but are not but do lie...." ?!?

          This is significant, to say the least.  And any watchmen that didn't sit up and immediately take notice, is simply sleeping at their post.  First of all, let us establish that there is absolutely no way that the Greek word for "apostles" could ever be honestly mistaken for the Greek word for "Jews" by any Bible Translator for any Bible version (or a close-captioning technician).  In other words, it was a deliberate textual corruption.  Observe the two very different words from the PC Study Bible's Greek Interlinear:

"Jews" and "Apostles"
 in the Greek Manuscripts
A comparison of the two Greek words

"Jews"

"Apostles"

Strong's Bible Concordance & Dictionary Definitions:

Jews:  Greek word #2453 Ioudaios (ee-oo-dah'-yos); from NT:2448 (in the sense of NT:2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:  KJV - Jew (-ess), of Judaea.

apostles:  Greek word #652 apostolos (ap-os'-tol-os); from NT:649; a delegate; specially, an ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of Christ ["apostle"] (with miraculous powers):  KJV - apostle, messenger, he that is sent.

Reference: Rev 3:9

Revelation 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.  KJV

Reference: Rev 21:14

Revelation 21:14
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.  KJV

Source: Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright � 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc. ― To purchase: PC Study Bible Version 4 Reference Library

 

[1] Ockham's razor
SYLLABICATION: Ock�ham's razor
PRONUNCIATION:  kmz
VARIANT FORMS: also Oc�cam's razor
NOUN: A rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known. Also called law of parsimony.
ETYMOLOGY: After William of Ockham.
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.

    Having ruled out simple human error on the part of a Translator (or the close-captioning technician), Ockham's Razor[1] dictates that the easiest solution to the anomaly is that there was a deliberate corruption of the text of Rev 3:9 to cloak "Jewish" involvement in the persecution of Tribulation Christians.

    The above corruption of Rev 3:9 makes the enemy of the endtime (Tribulation) Christians to be those who  call themselves "apostles," while hiding the involvement of those who refer to themselves as "Jews"!  How nice (Sic), the Jews are our friends (or at least not our mortal enemies) and the Christian apostles are our endtime enemies―when the Scriptures are quite clear that the enemy to the Tribulation church, who do in fact work for satan, are those living amongst us at that time who refer to themselves as "Jews."

Revelation 2:8-11
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.  KJV

     So it is no wonder that "they" would love to hide their involvement.  In addition to ALWAYS trying to hiding their involvement, "they" are vilifying Christianity, Christ, and the individual Bible-believing Christian in all categories lately.  "They" do this by all their social laws that they foist upon our once-Christain nation(s).  What do I mean by that?  Observe:

     Today, the enemies of Homosexuality, Lesbianism, and every other perverse and abhorrent God-forbidden lifestyle, are the  "intolerant" Christians; today, the "selfish ones" who would deny a woman "her right to choose (to kill babies as an inconvenient by-product of their materialistic and sexually wanton lives)" are the "mean-spirited and hypocritical Christians," and the enemies of peace and harmony among the different religions of the world are painted as the "unyielding and elitist" Christians  The Christians are painted as the bad guys―everywhere.  The Christian church is debased and mocked and portrayed as the enemy of "enlightenment" and to the peaceful coexistence of the planet's population and her "diversity."  This was no accident.  In fact, it was all part of International Judaic's master plan:

PROTOCOL No. 17

...[2.] WE HAVE LONG PAST TAKEN CARE TO DISCREDIT THE PRIESTHOOD OF THE "GOYIM," and thereby to ruin their mission on earth which in these days might still be a great hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the peoples of the world is falling lower. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE HAS BEEN DECLARED EVERYWHERE, SO THAT NOW ONLY YEARS DIVIDE US FROM THE MOMENT OF THE COMPLETE WRECKING OF THAT CHRISTIAN RELIGION: as to other religions we shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature to speak of this now. We shall set clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive proportion to its former progress.

[3.] When the time comes finally to destroy the papal court the finger of an invisible hand will point the nations towards this court. When, however, the nations fling themselves upon it, we shall come forward in the guise of its defenders as if to save excessive bloodshed. By this diversion we shall penetrate to its very bowels and be sure we shall never come out again until we have gnawed through the entire strength of this place.

[4.] THE KING OF THE JEWS [antichrist/satan] WILL BE THE REAL POPE OF THE UNIVERSE, THE PATRIARCH OF THE INTERNATIONAL CHURCH

[5.] But, IN THE MEANTIME, while we are re-educating youth in new traditional religions and afterwards in ours [!!! Don't just read over that!  They aren't talking about common Judaism, but of "antichrist-ism," the religion of Revelation chapter 13], WE SHALL NOT OVERTLY [openly for all to see] LAY A FINGER ON EXISTING CHURCHES, BUT WE SHALL FIGHT AGAINST THEM [Christianity] BY CRITICISM CALCULATED [designed] TO PRODUCE SCHISM [division, breach] . . . The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion (circa 1897)

     So clear!  Written coldly and callously―"just the facts"― the hard facts of what they will (and have since) do/done.  And we seen the slow and steady defamation of the Christian churches ever since.  Yet the average Christian has never seen the above words which were put to paper in the year of our Lord, 1897!  And the ones that have heard of this document, have been scared away from it for fear of being "called names" (AntiSemite, etc.).  Boy, that was easy for them, wasn't it?  Hey, the Jews wrote it; if they have a problem with the manifesto, let them take it up with their brethren. 

     And why were they (the International Judaics) able to so easily cover-up the unintentional and inconvenient (to put it mildly) exposing of this document?  Because the Christian clergy has been pacified and made docile to/by her oppressors to the degree that this text rarely sees the light of day in this beguiled and overthrown endtime generationspecially in the churches, where the "new-age Christians" are re-educated into being lovey-dovey docile ineffective saltless doormats; and where Judaic insults against Jesus Christ are tolerated over the fear of a mere appearance of any so-called AntiSemitism in the Christian churches. 

     Yet many Christians muse, "Where are some endtime signs for us to see."  They have seen them, they are seeing them daily, but they reject them or have not been trained to recognize them.  What more does God have to do, hit us over the head with them?  He (God) had satan's endtime plan (The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion) to be compromised and made public―but who has bothered to read it and compare it to God's plan and warnings in the Bible?  None, or at least a very, very few.  However, in the Tribulation, the above manuscript shall be very plainly discerned by the surviving Christians―but it shall be too late to do them much good as far as forewarning and thereby forearming. 

     Am I advocating violence against our oppressors and enemies of Christ's church?  No, but do at least know who it is that has his boot upon your throat.  Prophecy cannot be averted, satan's people shall take over this world in the Tribulation, and they shall persecute Christians.  Sorry that I can not bring you a nicer report, but this is what is written in the Bible (see our: Scriptural Evidences That Christians Shall Die In The Great Tribulation).  Read Revelation chapter 13 again―and see what satan SHALL accomplish against the Christian church and the world generally.  God had John to write the book of Revelation in the past tense―in other words, it shall happen, because John was taken to the future to see what did happen; then he was sent back to his time (94 a.d.) to write about what he saw in a book known to us today as the book of Revelation, to warn you of what shall happen.

     We see in the below Scripture that these people living in the last days who go by the name "Jew" shall indeed persecute the Tribulation-era churcheven unto death.  They work for satan/antichrist in the Tribulation, just as they worked for him at the Crucifixion and during the later persecutions of the early faithful and young Christian church.  Why should this seem such a remarkable statement to any reader?  After all, a leopard doesn't change his spots; "Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?" (Jer 13:23a):

Revelation 2:8-11
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.  KJV

     Verse eleven above states that if you (we Christians) remain faithful during the Tribulation we will be protected from the second death (the death of the soulRev 20:16), however, no mention of protection from the first death (the death of the flesh body) is so mentioned.  Quite the contrary, see verse ten where it states: "be thou faithful unto death".  That doesn't mean that all Christians shall be likewise tried and killed, but that some indeed shall be.  Revelation 2:10 was written to only one of the seven endtime churches, 1/7th of end-generation Christendom, and obviously answers as to whom are the others killed (the Tribulation martyrs) mentioned in the Fifth Seal: "And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled." (Rev 6:11).  See our: Scriptural Evidences That Christians Shall Die In The Great Tribulation.

     Below is a second witness as to whom will be helping satan/antichrist persecute the Tribulation-era church; "In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." (2 Cor 13:1b):

Revelation 3:7-11
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.  KJV

     In other words, it is pointless to argue whether "they" are really Jews or not, the point is that those who claim to be Jews are the culprits (and liars).  It is a little thing today to identify who "claims to be Jews."

Moving on... 

     Regarding [Xxxxx] Broadcasting, which hosted the close-captioned "Bible study" that we are speaking of here today:  I did some checking on the ministry in question; and after a cursory look, I learned that the preacher on the broadcast ([Xxxxx Xxxxxxx]) is now deceased, has been since 1996.  So "they" must be running his old sermons on the air.  It also may be that the corrupted Scripture that you (the reader who wrote in) saw on the screen-scroll was added later by that Jewish television station, as mandatory close-captioning is a recent law.  So that it could well be that [Xxxxxx Xxxxxxxxx] read the verse correctly, but that those who prepared the broadcast later on, added the corruption to the Bible verse (changing "Jews" to "Apostles") that they scrolled on the bottom of the TV screento protect the Jew's Tribulation identity.  I just don't know who is to blame. 

     Either way, the important thing is that this type of deceit was attempted and was actually accomplished on national (and international) broadcast.  No matter who's to blame, it's a sign of the times, indeed!  Christians looking for "endtime signs" need to look at anything that abases (lowers) Christians and uplifts Jews.  That is where you shall find your endtime signs todayand they are happening all over the world at once!  Look for them, they are not hidden, if you know what to look for.  Take the new movie coming out, The Da Vinci Code (the blasphemous bestseller book which, according to the May 19th 2006 edition of The Forward, a Zionist newspaper in New York, was brought to the big screen by Jewish screenwriter Akiva Goldsman, whom they refer to affectionately as "a Jewish boy from Brooklyn")nothing could abase Jesus Christ worse than that sure-to-be-a-hit movie.  These are your signs for now.  People looking for Hailey's comets, Hale-Bop, and planet alignments and eclipses are wasting their time.  All these heavenly bodies move in circlesthey align more than once.  When there is a sign from God in the heavens, there shall be absolutely no mistake that it is in fact from God; it shall abnormal, well-defined, and unpredictablehence, a miracle. 

     Leave Astronomy for the Astronomers and stick to your Bibles for witness of signs.  The Bible (Revelation chpt. 13) shows that Christianity shall fail in the Tribulation, being usurped by a one-world religion; and that the whole world will go into a one-world political system as well; and also that the whole world, save for a remnant, shall worship this system and it's author, satan/antichristWhen you see things happening today that lead to those aforementioned things, then you have an endtime sign.  And they are happening all over the place nowadays!

Moving on...

     Also, from their Website we see that this is no small ministry.  Their Website lists the below stations that carry their programming:

FETV Limssol, Cyprus
KWHB TV-47 Tulsa, OK
KWHD TV-53 Denver, CO
KWHE TV-14 Honolulu, HI
KWHS TV-51 Colorado Springs, CO
METV Limssol, Cyprus
WHMB TV-40 Indianapolis, IN
WHME TV-46 South Bend, IN
WHNO TV-20 New Orleans, LA
WHT SATELLITE [World-Wide]
[Short-wave radio, and several Am & FM radio stations]
[Also, streaming Internet Radio, streaming world-wide]

     Everyone viewing on the above stations last Friday has been disarmed of the truth that God saw fit to place into His Bible.  On and on it goes....leading us unto the great apostasy that shall precede the antichrist:

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day
[the return of Jesus Christ2nd Advent] shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he
[antichrist/satan] as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.  KJV

a falling away:  Greek word #646 apostasia (ap-os-tas-ee'-ah); feminine of the same as NT:647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ["apostasy"]:  KJV - falling away, forsake.

     Moving on...  Let us now take a better look at the verse in question; for, many misunderstand it.  I refer to:

Revelation 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.  KJV

     Many (most?) read the above as though it says, in effect, that: there are good "Jews" and bad "Jews," there are real "Jews" and there on the other hand fake "Jews;" and that those bad fake ones are just pretending to be the good real ones.  That is not at all what the Scripture is saying.  Did not the same Bible say that there is no such thing as a "Jew" anymore, in the sense that today's so-called "Jews" try to fit themselves in?  I refer to: "There is neither Jew nor Greek...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal 3:28).  So, then where did this whole "good Jew, bad Jew" concept creep in?  No answer necessary. 

     Observe the giving of the New Testament Covenant of Jesus Christ, and the fulfillment of the Old Testament Covenant in that same Jesus Christ:

Galatians 3:21-29
21 Is the law
[Old Testament-Old Covenant] then against the promises [New Testament-New Covenant] of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ
[New Testament-New Covenant] might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith
[New Testament-New Covenant] came, we were kept under the law [Old Testament-Old Covenant], shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.  KJV
 

     What it (Rev 2:9 & 3:9) is saying is that: "those people who shall persecute the churches (and the world) in the Tribulation refer to themselves as 'Jews.'  And that they are not 'Jews' (Judeani.e., of Judah, Israel's son.), but are lying when they say that they are."  Take a look at this Scripture in the Interlinear (manuscript wording).  Of special import is that the words "them" and "which" in the below verse are the English words that the Translators applied to the Greek Definite Article ("THE"#3588).  The Greek Article is often unrepresented when translated to English:

Strong's definition for the Greek Article:

Greek word #3588 ho (ho); including the feminine he (hay); and the neuter to (to); in all their inflections; the def. article; ["]the["] (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): KJV - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc..

     If one understands the use of the Greek Article, he will know that the above could be read as "Behold, I will make of THE Synagogue of THE satan, THE say they are Jews..."  This bears heavily on the proper interpretation of the verse.  Below is the Greek Interlinear for the verse:

Greek Interlinear for Revelation 3:9(a)

Revelation 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.  KJV

Source: Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright � 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc. ― To purchase: PC Study Bible Version 4 Reference Library

Jews:  Greek word #2453 Ioudaios (ee-oo-dah'-yos); from NT:2448 (in the sense of NT:2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah: KJV - Jew (-ess), of Judaea.

     Now, who today calls themselves "Jews"?  Who today erroneously claims to be of Judah, the son of Israel, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham?  Find that group of characters and you've found the culprits in Revelation 2:9 & 3:9. 

     Most all of Christendom (and the world) has been intentionally misled regarding the identity of the true Israel peoples in the Bible.  For the true racial and hereditary identity of today's so-called self-styled Jews, which documentably ARE NOT OF ISRAEL AT ALL (!), see our: A map (and article) about the re-formation of Israel in the west.  Israel's migrations to "the appointed place" .  In that article (which I would love to find the time to expand and update with a plethora of new info) you shall find out that today's so-called "Jews" are lying about who they are and where they came from, even to themselves (the so-called "lesser brethren) do they lie.  The average poor mislead "Jewish person" actually believes that he is the great-descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel)!  They believe this because their leaders (the International Judaics) have lied to them, for reasons that are obvious.

PROTOCOL No. 9

[1.] In applying our principles let attention be paid to the character of the people in whose country you live and act; a general, identical application of them, until such time as the people shall have been re-educated to our pattern, cannot have success. But by approaching their application cautiously you will see that not a decade will pass before the most stubborn character will change and we shall add a new people to the ranks of those already subdued by us.

[2.] The words of the liberal, which are in effect the words of our masonic watchword, namely, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," will, when we come into our kingdom, be changed by us into words no longer of a watchword, but only an expression of idealism, namely, into "The right of liberty, the duty of equality, the ideal of brotherhood." That is how we shall put it, -- and so we shall catch the bull by the horns ... DE FACTO we have already wiped out every kind of rule except our own, although DE JURE there still remain a good many of them. Nowadays, if any States raise a protest against us it is only PRO FORMA at our discretion and by our direction, for THEIR ANTI-SEMITISM IS INDISPENSABLE TO US FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF OUR LESSER BRETHREN. I will not enter into further explanations, for this matter has formed the subject of repeated discussions amongst us. ... The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion (circa 1897)

     And in that Bible study of ours (A map (and article) about the re-formation of Israel in the west...) you will also discover that the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic and kindred peoples are the true descendants of the "lost" tribes of Israelthey (we) are the "people of the Book" (Old Testament)!  They (we) are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel)!  Not today's so-called "Jews."  Satan's children (the International Judaics, not all "Jews" generally) have undertaken to usurp true Israel with their own bloodline.  That is the reason for so many "confusing" happenings in history; both past, present, and soon to be future.  It is a battle for the planet, for birthright, for blessingsfor God on the one hand, and antigod (antichrist/satan) on the other.

     But since the Judaics control all media and education curriculum, it is no wonder that the average true Israelite (Anglo-Saxon) has no idea who he ishe thinks that he is a "Gentile" and that the so-called "Jew" is Israel.  When the exact opposite is actually the case.  What I am saying is that you have been lied to your whole life, and everything that you learned of this matter is false.  Everything!

[1] ad nauseam

SYLLABICATION:  ad nau�se�am
PRONUNCIATION:  d n�z-m

ADVERB: 
To a disgusting or ridiculous degree; to the point of nausea.
ETYMOLOGY: 
Latin ad, to + nauseam, accusative of nausea, sickness.
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.

     Is it any wonder then, that the truth of the above sounds so remarkable and unbelievable to you?  You learned a lie first, so that now, upon hearing the truth, your natural instinct is to reject it as falsehood.  Add to that, that the International Judaics have made you to think that any such talk (about Anglo-Saxons being the true Israel descendants) is so-called AntiSemitic and nigh akin to being a Hitler-lover or a Racist, Bigot, White Supremacist, Neo-Nazi, etc., ad nauseam[1]―and it is no wonder the lie lives on.  They have scared and herded you into their deception.  And those who do know the truth, in the "higher learning institutions,"  haven't got the "hoss" to speak it openly!  And if they did, they would be out of work tomorrow and sent away shamed and ridiculed and falsely accused and slandered―like many of us Christians are for daring to speak the truth.  The International Judaic's control over this apparatus is absolute.

    There is an effort, rather intensified in the last several decades (since Vatican II [early 1960's]) to hide the fact that the so-called Jews of today are; 1). Not descended from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Judah, but rather were descended from Turko-Mongoloid heathen peoples (specifically phallic [male sex organ] worshipsee Jewish author Benjamin Freedman's account below) that converted to Judaism in the circa, what?, 8th century A.D., and usurped the title "Jew," claiming to be "the people of the Book."  These people are the Khazars (Khazar is pronounced "kos" [like closet], and "are"; hence: "kos�are", two syllables, emphasis on the first), and a Jewish author exposes them himself in his (E-book): The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler; and that 2). That the so-called "Jews" are not responsible for having Jesus Christ murdered on their false witness (this was one of the prime directives at the Catholic church's Vatican II assembly).  Why?  Because, by then, and well before, the Judaics had infiltrated the Vatican and today hold absolute control over the Catholic Church universal―and they have for a long time now.  The Catholic church is not all that they control―far from it―they control everything.

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes" ― (The Judaic) British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (real name: Israel), in Conningsby.

     How many of you reading this today know that there were at least 20 Jewish popes in the history of the Catholic church?  And that since 1922, until this latest pope (who may well be a Jew himself―time will tell, it took 20 years to "out" John Paul II), there has been an unbroken line of Jewish popes (including John Paul II whose mother was a Jewess, thus by Jewish law making him a full Jew)?  My guess is that there is a lot of head-scratching and eye-rolling going on right about now.  I list these Jewish popes by name and dates of rule in my upcoming bookincluding documentation.

     So then, if today's modern-day so-called "Jews" are not the descendants of the Biblical patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (who later had his name changed by God to Israel), then who are they?  What is their heritage, who are their ancestors, what was their original religion?  Let us listen in as the (converted to Christianity later in life) Judaic writer, Benjamin Freedman,  enlightens us to the truth of the matter which the International Judaics try so desperately to keep hidden in plain sight:

Judaic author, Benjamin Freedman, on the ancestors
of the modern day so-called Jews, the Khazars:

"...The Khazar kingdom was the biggest country in all Europe -- so big and so powerful that when the other monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers. That's how big and powerful they were.

They were phallic worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want to go into the details of that now.

But that was their religion, as it was also the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the world. The Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that he decided to adopt a so-called monotheistic faith -- either Christianity, Islam, or what is known today as Judaism, which is really Talmudism. By spinning a top, and calling out �eeny, meeny, miney, moe,� he picked out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion. He sent down to the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of rabbis, and opened up synagogues and schools, and his people became what we call Jews. There wasn't one of them who had an ancestor who ever put a toe in the Holy Land.

Not only in Old Testament history, but back to the beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians and ask us to support their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, �You want to help repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, their ancestral home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of our boys as your Lord and Savior.  You now go to church on Sunday, and you kneel and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews.�

But they are pagan Khazars who were converted just the same as the Irish were converted. It is as ridiculous to call them �people of the Holy Land,� as it would be to call the 54 million Chinese Moslems �Arabs.� Mohammed only died in 620 A.D., and since then 54 million Chinese have accepted Islam as their religious belief. Now imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, from Mecca and Mohammed's birthplace. Imagine if the 54 million Chinese decided to call themselves �Arabs.� You would say they were lunatics. Anyone who believes that those 54 million Chinese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did was adopt as a religious faith a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in Arabia. The same as the Irish. When the Irish became Christians, nobody dumped them in the ocean and imported to the Holy Land a new crop of inhabitants. 

They hadn't become a different people. They were the same people, but they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith.

These Khazars, these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a Mongoloid race who were forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. Because their king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the matter. Just the same as in Spain: If the king was Catholic, everybody had to be a Catholic. If not, you had to get out of Spain. So the Khazars became what we call today Jews. ..." ― A Jewish Defector Warns America by Benjamin H. Freedman (free E-book)

     But what we are seeing today is that the Judaics are being painted in only a good light, and that any mention of them doing  anything evil is being expunged from the consciences of Christians (and history books) world-wide.  This is to hide the International Judaic's role in bringing antichrist (satan) to power as (a false) "God" over the world.  Nothing happens by chance―there is a reason for everything (a Christian sister once told me that, and after long study I tend to agree with her).  Start asking the "why's" and you will begin to see the bigger picture.

     In closing.  Let's look at the Scripture in question in some other Bible versions which we have on hand.  I needn't tell you that the International Judaics are behind the the newer Bible texts, do I?  (See our: Adulterations in the Newer Bible Versions (NIV, NASB...); Proof that the King James Bible (KJV) is the True Word of God.)  Observe the slow and steady obscuring of the clear warning in Revelation 3:9 as we move through time with newer "easier to understand" (Sic) Bible versions.  Observe how the text is softened and ultimately altered to protect and cloak "those who call themselves Jews."  All verses below are from PC Study Bible Version 4 Reference Library.  Note:  many of the "newer Bible versions" have changes in one printing (edition) to anotherbearing witness to their failure and flaws.  The trustworthy good 'ole King James Bible text is set and unaltered from printing to printing.  I have highlighted certain words to illustrate a softening and detour of the warning and its intended target::

(1611 A.D.)  The trusted King James Version Bible (originally titled, simply, The Holy Bible):

Revelation 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.  KJV

Comment: This true text states that those who say (claim, refer to themselves as) that they are "Jews" (all of them!) are liars, and that they will be made into the religious assembly (synagogue) of satan.  Even a cursory read of the Jew's Babylonian Talmud (their "holiest" text and the lifeblood of their religion Judaism) will bear out the fact that the Judaics of Judaism are worshipping in satan's assembly, not in God's (see: Four Avenues of Research into the Babylonian Talmud).  There is no such thing as a pleasing-to-God follower of Talmudic Judaism.  See: THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TALMUD:  A Documented Expos� of Jewish Supremacist Hate Literature.  

(1960 A.D.)  The New American Standard Bible version. (Considered a "Catholic version"):

Revelation 3:9
9 'Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews, and are not, but lie � behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you.  NASB

Comment: This text alludes that not all who say they are Jews are those Jews of the synagogue of satan.

(1973 A.D.)  The New International Version (the current world's best-selling Bible version):

Revelation 3:8-9
9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars-I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.  NIV

Comment: This text alludes that only certain Jews are those Jews who really aren't "Jews" but are rather of the synagogue of satan.

(1976 A.D.Today's English Version (also known as The Good News Bible):

Revelation 3:9
9 Listen! As for that group that belongs to Satan, those liars who claim that they are Jews but are not, I will make them come and bow down at your feet. They will all know that I love you.  TEV

Comment: This text alludes to a special group of satan's belonging ("that group") are the liars that say they are "Jews," but aren't.
 

(1971 A.D.) The Living Bible version:

Revelation 3:9
9 "Note this: I will force those supporting the causes of Satan while claiming to be mine (but they aren't-they are lying) to fall at your feet and acknowledge that you are the ones I love.  TLB

Comment: This text alludes to the same as the above, but also sinisterly leavens the text with the idea that those who are "Jews" are God's people―rather than what a "Jew" really is―an unsaved denier of Jesus Christ, and of the ones whose religion murdered Jesus Christ and persecuted God's only true religion, Christianity from the very first day till today even.  This is a particularly ominous (and subtle) adulteration of the text of Revelation 3:9.  Also observe how The Living Bible version rendered the parallel Scripture of Rev 2:9:

Revelation 2:9
9 "I know how much you suffer for the Lord, and I know all about your poverty (but you have heavenly riches!). I know the slander of those opposing you, who say that they are Jews-the children of God-but they aren't, for they support the cause of Satan.  TLB

     So, all the way back in 1971 with The Living Bible version Bible, the Pharisee leaven was being subtly blended in.  The above corrupt newer Bible version calls them "the children of God", but Jesus Christ called them the children of satan: "Ye are of your father the devil..." (John 8:44a).  Sadly, "play-Christians" (Judeo-Christians, etc.) in the modern day "play-Churches" like to listen to corrupt leaven rather than to their Savior Jesus Christ.  That's why dim-wits in the Christian churches are constantly calling the Christ-denying Jews: "God's Chosen People."  They were led by the hand to do that.  Speaking of this "leading by the hand," and who is doing the leading, below is an excerpt from our as-yet unfinished book The Coming Storm Called The Great Tribulation, tentative page 131 (book not yet paginated):

Jewish Author, Marcus Eli Ravage, writing to �Gentiles� (specifically Christians) in his book, A Real Case Against the Jews,  unashamedly, unapologetically, and matter-of-factly makes the below startling admission.  We are in total agreement with his bold assessment, and remain awed that the Judaics can repeatedly make these kinds of declarations, only to be totally ignored by the non-Jewish world in general, and the Christian world in toto.  Ravage said in 1928:

�...If you really are serious when you talk of Jewish plots, may I not direct your attention to one worth talking about?  What use is it wasting words on the alleged control of your public opinion by Jewish financiers, newspaper owners, and movie magnates, when you might as well also justly accuse us of the proved control of your whole civilization...

    �You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt.  We are intruders.  We are subverters.  We have taken your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and have played havoc with them.  We have been at the bottom of not merely of the latest war [WWI] but of nearly all your wars, not only of the Russian but of every other major revolution in your history [the French, Russian, and American Revolutions, etc.].

    We have brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal and public life.  We are still doing it.  No one can tell how long we shall go on doing it ... Who knows what great and glorious destiny might have been yours if we had left you alone.

    But we did not leave you alone.  We took you in hand and pulled down the beautiful and generous structure you had reared, and changed the whole course of your history We conquered you as no empire of yours ever subjugated Africa or Asia.  And we did it solely by the irresistible might of our spirit, with ideas, with propaganda...�[1]

     If a non-Jew said the above (say, perhaps―myself), it would instantly be maligned and summarily labeled AntiSemitic, and quickly dismissed; however, when a Jew himself says it, it is wholly ignored.  That is why we (Christians) are going to lose this Earthly battle, and why Rev chapter 13 shall come to pass: �and all the world wondered after the beast.  And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?  who is able to make war with him?  (Rev 13:3b-4). ...[2]

[1] The Judaic author, Marcus Eli Ravage, �A Real Case Against the Jews,� The Century monthly magazine, Feb. 1928.  p. 347.
[2] Draft version (2006) of  The Coming Storm Called The Great Tribulation by Nicholas Goggin. Chapter 14, tentative page 131.

     Also of note, is that the rendering of Rev 3:9 in last above version (The Living Bible) is almost as shocking as the one that [Xxxxx Xxxxxx] ministry scrolled on the TV screen; for it assumes/posits (indoctrinates, better stated) that "those claiming to be Jews" are in effect claiming to be God's.  In other words, it is stating subtly that those who are "real Jews," ARE God's servants; thus perpetuating the sinful myth that the so-called Jews are "God's chosen people".  That's not at all what the Scripture is saying, and calling the Jesus-Christ-denying Jews of today "God's chosen people" is a sin!  Jesus Himself told the Jews who were God's people, and who weren't God's people; He told them who were His sheep and who were not His (and therefore, not God's) sheep.  And in verse 31 below we see them respond to Jesus like a Jew's Jew would respond:

John 10:23-31
23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep , as I said unto you.
27 My sheep
[all Christians] hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.  KJV

     Before you (for reasons unperceived to yourself) obediently rush off to defend those of today "which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie" (Rev 3:9), bear in mind that in the Tribulation they are going to seek to do the same in verse 31 above to you.  How stupid and betrayed the "Judeo-Christian" (Judaized Christians) shall feel on that day!

John 15:20-25
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me
[and they did―unto death, in fact], they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying [they didn't], they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
[far from being "God's chosen," those Jews who killed Jesus Christ knew not God.  Today their spirit lives on in Talmudic Judaism, destroying every generation of their children: "His blood be on us, and on our children." (Mat 27:25b).]
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin
[But Jesus DID come and speak to them]: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also
[No Judaic who denies Christ and/or practices his people's religion, Judaism, can be "God's chosen."]
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin
[But Jesus DID do wonders before their eyes which no man had done]: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. [The Judaics of today have no excuse, no so-called "blindness caused by God," as some pastors say!  That "blindness"  was "in part," it was to TRUE Israel, and it is now passed in the church age: "blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" (Rom's 11:25b)  Well, the Gentiles are in, friend; Paul brought them in by his 1st century Epistles. "Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles." (2 Tim 1:11).    Quit making excuses for Jewish antichrists; and quit blaming God for their unbelief!  If they want salvation now, they will stop denying Jesus Christ: "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again." (Romans 11:23).  The "blindness in part is happened to Israel" (Rom's 11:25b) is over; now, like all men, they are under the authority of: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. . . .He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:16-18).]
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law
[the Old Testament], They hated me without a cause.  KJV
 

"They hated me without a cause":

Psalms 35:19
19 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause.  KJV

Psalms 109:1-7
Hold not thy peace, O God of my praise;
2 For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.
3 They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause.
4 For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer.
5 And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.
6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
["Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan..." Rev 3:9a]
7 When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.  KJV

Peace to you in Christ Jesus; and watch, watchmen, watch!

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Two Christian women respond honestly on "letting their men lead"; and, the great importance of a woman choosing the RIGHT man; also, exemptions of the "man leads" rule.

 

The First (female) Reader Writes:

Hi Nick, Thanks for printing the topic above [The male gender of the Two Witnesses (of Rev 11) in the Scriptures].  I know where my place is and I know I am special because God made me a woman.  I don�t know if I would want to be a man with so many responsibilities, it�s not an easy job. I just had a question and that is why I wrote in and at the same time every woman who read it can only be better for it.  They need to accept that we are to do what our husbands tell us to do.  There is an order and we are not over the man � never have been since Eve was put under her husband.   I am very blessed that God have given me eyes to see and ears to hear.  I just needed you to confirm what I already knew in my heart but it didn�t plainly say they were men even if it said �Prophets.�

You are a blessing to all of us who depend on you for your God given Wisdom to teach and for us to look for ourselves.  I think it was not in vain that you answered my question as you also answered the question but you still gave women what they need to hear and hear and hear until they get it.  Men are over the women.  We are not to teach either but I see it when I change the channels on TV � It makes me cringe because they do not READ!  God is over the man.  Simple if women would just listen to God and the way He planned everything.

Thanks again for your reply and your hard work.  It is very much appreciated.

Xxxxx Xxxxxx

 
Answer:

Hello Xxxxxxxxxx.  You sound like a fine Bible-based Christian woman.  It's good to see that there are still some of you left out there!  The problem for you might be to find a fine Christian man deserving of you.  It is so important for women to really be thoughtful and careful when choosing a husband; for, that man shall have a lot of influence on your future children―perhaps even enhancing or hindering their reception to Jesus Christ.

     Choosing the wrong man can also cause a woman to fall into false religious practices or into no religious practices at all.  Many a good Christian woman has chosen to herself a scoundrel for a husband.  Or, also, many a good Christian woman has chosen to herself as a husband a man that is inept and incapable of leading.  This leads us into the second woman's letter.  Peace to you, Xxxxx, in Christ Jesus.


Another (different female) reader Writes:

Nick, 

I truly want to donate to your endeavors, but just do not have the money and I refuse to heap more guilt on myself for not "tithing" and the belief that if I do "tithe," all my money problems will go away.  Just hasn't happened that way.  As a matter of fact, when I quit tithing, good things started slowly happening for the first time in three years.   It's as if God were saying, "About time you started fixing the mess you got yourself into rather than waiting for me to miraculously do it for you."

Please don't misunderstand.  I believe in tithing.  I was writing checks to the Mormon church (my husband) and to the Church of Christ (my mother) - perhaps it was a "house divided" problem.  Anyway - I want to donate to your website.  I think it is phenomenal.  I just can't right now.

So, to my question.  I believe that the man is the head of the household.  I want to follow my husband's lead.  I want to turn to him with my questions.  How do I do that when he can barely read, doesn't understand abstract concepts and waits around for his older brother (a mormon) to tell him what "truth" is and what he is supposed to believe?  It is a sad fact that my IQ and my subsequent brain power is far above his.  I love him and I want to respect him, and do in many ways, but I can't defer to him.  I would be taken down a bad path.  He is the reason I am in the financial trouble I am (we are [a couple of]-year newlyweds) because he can't think his way out of a paper bag.  I feel so horrible for those words, but they are the truth.  I am married to him and I want to honor him!!

How?

I've tried to be subtly supportive and gently lead him.  Doesn't work.

How do I live up to God's words and maintain my marriage, my life, my soul?

How?

I new he was relatively uneducated (HS diploma), but I truly didn't realize how dense he was.

Help.


Answer:

Hi.  Regarding the offerings, don't worry about it.  God leads those who can to support us.  Your first responsibility is to your family.  And you may well have been hindered for tithing to the Mormon Church, as it is a false "Christian" denomination.  And the Church of Christ denomination?  Isn't that the liberal one that supports the Homosexual services?  I don't know if they are that church for sure.  But you have to be careful whom you support; for,

2 John 8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.  KJV

     Regarding the false (and blasphemous) doctrines of the Mormon Church, just do an Internet search under " mormon + false + doctrine "  You should have plenty of reading material.

Moving on...

     I feel for you, I can see that you are clearly in a very difficult position.  And I respect your honesty.  It seems like female readers write in the most bluntly honest questions (that sometimes make me blush!).  But it must be because they want to be sure that their exact question is answered.  This is good.  Oddly, men are more bashful in this regard, they "hem and haw" a lot in their questions on personal matters.  Just an observation that I thought that I would share.

     Your dilemma, basically, is that you want to do right in God's eyes by being a good woman to your husband, and letting him lead the house; but you don't want to end up following him into a ditch either.

Luke 6:39
39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?  KJV

     It is so much easier being a man, I think; at least when we mess up our lives we don't have to get permission to do so.  Maybe that's why we are so good at doing it.  :o)  Just kidding (kind of).  But a good woman truly does make a good man better.  And although a good woman doesn't push her husband around, or try to be boss; the smart good woman gets her way anyway, because "somehow" he comes to realize that "her way was really his way" all along, and "determines" that it is the best course of action in the matter.  :o)

     Ok, no more smiley faces, this is serious.  Just trying to cheer you up a bit.  But there is honesty in the above irony.

     Anyway, your in a bind because you didn't choose your husband wisely.  And now you are stuck with a man incapable of leading well.  You may also have children (or future children) to consider as well.

     It is true that the man is to lead in the home; however, if he is incapable for any reason (such as disability or extended absence), then the woman may lead by his consent.  So, if your husband is really limited intellectually, and he knows it and is comfortable with it, he may well agree to let you lead in some areas.  But you most likely won't respect him for it, and that may lead to other problems.  But you know better than I the situation on the ground at your house. 

     And the woman has an obligation first to God and Christ, then second to her husband.  So that if he tries to get her to blaspheme or whatever, she may rebel and stay true to God.

Proverbs 26:8
8 As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool.  KJV

Proverbs 26:1
26:1 As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool.  KJV
 

     Below is an example in Scripture of a woman taking over because her husband was evil and stupid.  The husband (Nabal) would later be killed by God, and the wife (Abigail) would become one of King David's wives.  Glean from it what you will; it is a hard passage for a hard situation.  Had she not done what you will read her do in the below, the whole house of males would have been slain by God's man David:

1 Samuel 25:5-42
5 And David sent out ten young men, and David said unto the young men, Get you up to Carmel, and go to Nabal, and greet him in my name:
6 And thus shall ye say to him that liveth in prosperity, Peace be both to thee, and peace be to thine house, and peace be unto all that thou hast.
7 And now I have heard that thou hast shearers: now thy shepherds which were with us, we hurt them not, neither was there ought missing unto them, all the while they were in Carmel.
8 Ask thy young men, and they will shew thee. Wherefore let the young men find favour in thine eyes: for we come in a good day: give, I pray thee, whatsoever cometh to thine hand unto thy servants, and to thy son David.
9 And when David's young men came, they spake to Nabal according to all those words in the name of David, and ceased.
10 And Nabal answered David's servants, and said, Who is David? and who is the son of Jesse? there be many servants now a days that break away every man from his master.
11 Shall I then take my bread, and my water, and my flesh that I have killed for my shearers, and give it unto men, whom I know not whence they be?
12 So David's young men turned their way, and went again, and came and told him all those sayings.
13 And David said unto his men, Gird ye on every man his sword. And they girded on every man his sword; and David also girded on his sword: and there went up after David about four hundred men; and two hundred abode by the stuff.
14 But one of the young men told Abigail, Nabal's wife, saying, Behold, David sent messengers out of the wilderness to salute our master; and he railed on them.
15 But the men were very good unto us, and we were not hurt, neither missed we any thing, as long as we were conversant with them, when we were in the fields:
16 They were a wall unto us both by night and day, all the while we were with them keeping the sheep.
17 Now therefore know and consider what thou wilt do; for evil is determined against our master, and against all his household: for he is such a son of Belial, that a man cannot speak to him.
18 Then Abigail made haste, and took two hundred loaves, and two bottles of wine, and five sheep ready dressed, and five measures of parched corn, and an hundred clusters of raisins, and two hundred cakes of figs, and laid them on asses.
19 And she said unto her servants, Go on before me; behold, I come after you. But she told not her husband Nabal.
20 And it was so, as she rode on the ass, that she came down by the covert of the hill, and, behold, David and his men came down against her; and she met them.
21 Now David had said, Surely in vain have I kept all that this fellow
[Nabal] hath in the wilderness, so that nothing was missed of all that pertained unto him: and he hath requited me evil for good.
22 So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall
[males; David swore to kill every male there].
23 And when Abigail saw David, she hasted, and lighted off the ass, and fell before David on her face, and bowed herself to the ground,
24 And fell at his feet, and said, Upon me, my lord, upon me let this iniquity be: and let thine handmaid, I pray thee, speak in thine audience, and hear the words of thine handmaid.
25 Let not my lord, I pray thee, regard this man of Belial, even Nabal: for as his name is, so is he; Nabal is his name, and folly is with him: but I thine handmaid saw not the young men of my lord, whom thou didst send.
26 Now therefore, my lord, as the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, seeing the LORD hath withholden thee from coming to shed blood, and from avenging thyself with thine own hand, now let thine enemies, and they that seek evil to my lord, be as Nabal.
27 And now this blessing which thine handmaid hath brought unto my lord, let it even be given unto the young men that follow my lord.
28 I pray thee, forgive the trespass of thine handmaid: for the LORD will certainly make my lord a sure house; because my lord fighteth the battles of the LORD, and evil hath not been found in thee all thy days.
29 Yet a man is risen to pursue thee, and to seek thy soul: but the soul of my lord shall be bound in the bundle of life with the LORD thy God; and the souls of thine enemies, them shall he sling out, as out of the middle of a sling.
30 And it shall come to pass, when the LORD shall have done to my lord according to all the good that he hath spoken concerning thee, and shall have appointed thee ruler over Israel;
31 That this shall be no grief unto thee, nor offence of heart unto my lord, either that thou hast shed blood causeless, or that my lord hath avenged himself: but when the LORD shall have dealt well with my lord, then remember thine handmaid.
32 And David said to Abigail, Blessed be the LORD God of Israel, which sent thee this day to meet me:
33 And blessed be thy advice, and blessed be thou, which hast kept me this day from coming to shed blood, and from avenging myself with mine own hand.
34 For in very deed, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, which hath kept me back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and come to meet me, surely there had not been left unto Nabal by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
35 So David received of her hand that which she had brought him, and said unto her, Go up in peace to thine house; see, I have hearkened to thy voice, and have accepted thy person.
36 And Abigail came to Nabal; and, behold, he held a feast in his house, like the feast of a king; and Nabal's heart was merry within him, for he was very drunken: wherefore she told him nothing, less or more, until the morning light.
37 But it came to pass in the morning, when the wine was gone out of Nabal, and his wife had told him these things, that his heart died within him, and he became as a stone.
38 And it came to pass about ten days after, that the LORD smote Nabal, that he died.
39 And when David heard that Nabal was dead, he said, Blessed be the LORD, that hath pleaded the cause of my reproach from the hand of Nabal, and hath kept his servant from evil: for the LORD hath returned the wickedness of Nabal upon his own head, And David sent and communed with Abigail , to take her to him to wife.
40 And when the servants of David were come to Abigail to Carmel, they spake unto her, saying, David sent us unto thee to take thee to him to wife.
41 And she arose, and bowed herself on her face to the earth, and said, Behold, let thine handmaid be a servant to wash the feet of the servants of my lord.
42 And Abigail hasted, and arose, and rode upon an ass, with five damsels of hers that went after her; and she went after the messengers of David, and became his wife.  KJV

     Had not Abigail intervened, all the males of the house, including the servants, would have been killed, including her foolish husband Nabal (whom God Himself killed in verse 38 above).  As far as David taking her to wife, it was acceptable, as Abigail was a widow, and therefore by the law allowed to remarry.  There was no sin or skullduggery in that.  And I assure you, Abigail did not rebel against her new husband, King David!

     I am I trying to incite women to rebellion?  Me?  Have you read my work?  Certainly not me!  But, your soul is more important than protocol.  And if your husband is going to lead you into false religions and false doctrines, then you must look after yourself to stay true to the Lord.  What wisdom is there in letting your husband lead you to Hell with his brother in the Mormon Church?

     It had been better had you did a little thinking before you married this man.  What were you thinking?!?  But, who knows, perhaps God has you two together for you to help him.  There is the below Scripture:

1 Corinthians 7:12-16
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
16 For what knowest thou, O wife , whether thou shalt save thy husband ? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?  KJV

     But you and your husband need to sit down and agree on this.  You tell him that you will follow your religious beliefs as you see fit and feel led; and if he doesn't agree to that, then ask him for a divorce.  You notice that I said "to ASK him for a divorce."  I used the word "ask" because of what the above Scripture states; i.e., "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases" (1 Cor 7:15a).  You are in a bad position because you married this man, now you are under certain obligations as a man's wife.  All the more reason why women need to do a little bit more thinking when choosing husbands.

     You are in one of those extraordinary circumstances that we mention every time we say that there is a time when a woman may leadwhen a strong, wise, and faithful man is NOT available.  But if you rebel against your husband, you are in transgression.  Call it "taking the least painful way out"―either way you are not in a good position.  You are there because of your own poor choices.

     I get letters all the time from women who are trapped in bad marriages to bad men.  All you gals need to look at your marriage choice as a lifelong commitment, and treat that decision with all the soberness that it deserves.  "Cute" and "rich" guys are nice―but look at the longer run―are they what you want to be tethered to when the Great Tribulation hits?

     But as for me, if I were a woman in your situation, I would rather meet God with a bad divorce or a rebellious home-heart on my soul, than to meet Him as a false-religion worshipper.  And remember: through Christ, a bad divorce may be forgiven.  But don't abuse the grace, or you will be visited.  You can't con God, all those who try to, only succeed in upsetting Him by the insult of trying.  Better to fall at His feet asking for mercy and pity than to try to justify your unjustifiable acts.

     Now, to all the Feminist-minded women out there, ones whom I know are just drooling over the prospect of "loophole":  Don't even try it.  You can't fool God.  This poor woman above is in a real jam here, she has extenuating circumstancesyou do not.

Peace to you in Christ Jesus.

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Evil spirits in some churches; the danger to women by evil spirits; the "bodies," "carcasses," and "eagles," of Mt 24 & Lk 17 in relation to the Rapture theory.

 

A Reader Writes:

Hello Nick, 

I've written to you a couple of times in the past, & you've helped me a great deal. Recently I've confronted, though not really confronted, more along the lines of called out with scripture, a pastor & a congregation I used to think I was a part of. IT was about tongues talking & assorted stuff that has been governing the way the Church functioned.

We used to be a bible based Church up until a few months ago, then this "outpouring of the Spirit" started to happen to a select few people. I'm pretty sure there's something possessing the higher ups, & it sure ain't the God.

Suffice to say, when I called out all of these things in a series of Bible studies we had at my Church, well, the select group as well as the people that were already indoctrinated didn't take to kindly to me. I've felt coldness from them ever since, & have been singled out in sermons even. I'm not a member there anymore. But the worst part is some of the newer people are being fooled by those lies. They are really the only reason I even get myself to go once in a while. I guess the fact that it's hard to let go keeps me going back to. It is my Church, since I was a baby.

Wow, went way off base there, guess I needed to get that off my chest. But it has to do with my question. I've already called out the abomination of tongues talking, but in the last Bible study we had, "the Lord your God" as the voice called itself, preceded to interrupt everyone. Now I have it on good authority these occurrences are from the people claiming to be vessels themselves, not a demon or anything else. But maybe it is. The fact that the ones that tend to "prophecy" are women should be mentioned as well. I've studied to have a counter to such things, though they cite the "prophecies" in Acts as scriptural basis, as well as the OT stuff; but I've never found anything to support them. There are already to many things wrong & blasphemous about these occurrences.

 My question is, is there any scriptural proof to back up God "talking" through people? More precisely, is there scriptural basis for God to speak through someone, not like a sermon, but to literally use a person voice & body to transmit a message? I've always read, especially nowadays, that God works through the word itself, & that through that we find the answers & guidance we are looking for. I believe that, but I'd like some help using scripture to prove that that stuff they, they being some Pentecostal/Charismatic people, are wrong, & dare I say it, performing witchcraft & passing it off as truth. 

 Another question, is prophecy still active? I mean, can someone tell the future of an individual? I know dreams can tell us about our own lives, but can someone tell the future, like psychics claim to do? 

 Sorry for the long letter. I just had to let off some steam. For all I know, most of this letter rambles on, but thanks for reading it all! Hop to hear back from you. 

 May the Lord, Christ Jesus bless you!

 Xxxxxxxxxx


Answer:

Hello xxxxxxx.  You said: 

"I've already called out the abomination of tongues talking, but in the last Bible study we had, "the Lord your God" as the voice called itself, preceded to interrupt everyone. Now I have it on good authority these occurrences are from the people claiming to be vessels themselves, not a demon or anything else. But maybe it is. The fact that the ones that tend to "prophecy" are women should be mentioned as well."

     Yep, women usurping authority in the churches leads to this type of demonic activity; or at the very least finds a like-suitable environment to flourish.  It will be a cold day in Hell when I worship in one of these spiritual harlot-houses!  Or an even colder day in that Hell when I sit there in a false play-church while some disobedient bimbo runs around allowing some demon to speak through her claiming to be God!  Where is people's spiritual discernment anymore!?!  And, who cut the page out of their Bibles that carries the below admonition?

1 Corinthians 14:33-35
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.  KJV

     After hearing your witness of the spiritual garbage going on in your old church―one needn't question God's wisdom is laying forth the above Scriptural commands!    

     No doubt that satan was whispering in her other ear: "you can do just as well as the men-folk, honey; 'you go girl!' [Feminist saying of the 1990's]  You don't have to be behind the men.  Let me 'hear you roar' [famous Feminist saying of the 1970's]."  Some of them ever want to be as Eve and believe the lies of satan: "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:4-5).  Those that do so shall ultimately taste the bittersweet fruit of rebellion.  And many weak men shall eat of that fruit as well.  Remember Adam and his Eve.  She, who was to be his helpmeet, became his destroyer because he lost control, and in the end, lost himself along with her.

     What was speaking to you through that woman was not God, it was a demon (evil spirit) impersonating God, speaking through a willing (and spiritually endangered) host.  As you noticed, women are particularly easy for evil spirits to overcome.  And why not, did not God even call them the weaker vessels?

1 Peter 3:5-7
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.  KJV

     And was it not specifically women that God warned of regarding the fallen angels:

1 Corinthians 11:10
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.  KJV

     And was it not the women that the fallen angels were able to deceive and seduce and take and destroy:

Genesis 6:1-8
6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God
[fallen angels] saw the daughters of men [human females] that they were fair [pretty]; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto
[sexual intercourse] the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD
[he regretted] that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.  KJV

     And are not the fallen angels returning in the Tribulation:

Matthew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noe
[Grk. spelling for Noah] were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  KJV

     There are a whole bunch of women preachers and deaconesses leading church services that are ripe for satan's deception soon.  Women are weak to this type of overthrow; did not Eve perfectly exemplify this:

Genesis 3:13
13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.  KJV

     Sure, Adam followed Eve; but before she came along, he stood strong against satan. 

1 Timothy 2:11-14
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived
[at the first], but the woman being deceived was in the transgression [then leading Adam into the sin].  KJV

     So satan used the woman to break the man:

Genesis 3:9-12
9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.  KJV

Genesis 3:17-19
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.  KJV

     Paul, by the Holy Spirit, explains a little deeper regarding the sin in the Garden of Eden, and the subsequent mandate to women to act decent, clean, and moral, and to get into their place behind their men.

1 Timothy 2:7-15
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.  KJV

     Every woman preacher today, not surely and specifically called of God to lead in some drastic situation (other than a teacher of children, and to witness to the unsaved and new converts), is in violation of the above (and many other) Scriptures.  The exception to this being in extreme situations (more common today than should be) when there is no man to take overthen she may lead herself and her children―and only in the most grave situations, may she lead (inept) men. 

     No woman in the Bible ever led where there was an able man available―when a woman was used by God to lead in the Scriptures (Deborah, for instance [Judges 4]) it was to the shame of the whole nation, and most specifically to the shame of the men males therein.  God will get His will accomplished, whether or not He can find a able man to do it―heck, He even used Balam's ass (a mule) in Numbers 22:21-35! 

     In other words, where there is a man, the woman is to take the secondary role; where there is no man, the woman may step up and do what needs to be done.  The fact that females are prophesying in the Tribulation (Joel 2:28-29) bodes not well for the state of men regarding the endtime churches!  Apparently, at that time, there shall be a lack of solid Christian men, at least in some places in the world.

Joel 2:28-32
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.  KJV

     Many women today want to "play man," they want to assume all the "fun" and "easy" parts of being a man, but not any of the hard parts of being a man.  For instance, women love Affirmative Action that gives them (and other "groups") jobs oftentimes over more qualified men, but they don't want to be called into military service in a war draft.  Well, man was sent to protect you women, but if you want to come out from under their protection, then you are fair game.  How many of you women want to fight a man, much less do battle with evil spirits and demons from other side of hell ?

     Regarding these happenings in your church: God does not play ventriloquist, when He has something for one of His servants the prophets to say, He will have that prophet speak it, He will not use that person's vocal cords to speak it Himself.  God is very able to audibly speak, we see Him speak openly to people many times in the Bible (remember Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob; time will not allow to name them all.  And never did God possess another person to speak to these men (and womenremember Sarah and Eve, etc.) through a mesmerized host.  I remind you that part of satan's attributes is that of enchanter:

Serpent:  Hebrew word #5175 nachash (naw-khawsh'); from OT:5172; a snake (from its hiss):  KJV - serpent.

OT (Old Testament) #5172 nachash (naw-khash'); a primitive root; properly, to hiss, i.e. whisper a (magic) spell; generally, to prognosticate: KJV - certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) enchantment, learn by experience, indeed, diligently observe.

     The true speech of a prophet is: "[omitted, on second thought]"; not some entity taking over a person's body and speaking through them.  (Of course, now a false prophet, having read that, can imitate it.  On and on it goes...  Which is good reason why not all things are said that could be said in these Bible studies.) 

     What you observed was a real-life possession.  Not as clamorous as you suspected, huh?  And even in a Christian church in a self-professed Christian!  Sadly, that is where most possessions occur today.  That is satan's target and his targeted audience.  How many shall fall? 

     And not all who say they are Christians, are Christians.  Now, we're not to judge, I suppose; but I would say that a woman standing up and interrupting a congregation during church services by speaking words through demonic possession, is not a true Christian.

     Your church has gone over to the other side, though many there do not know it.  And this sort of thing is "catchy," so that all who are in that congregation are now in danger of the demons that the weak and impotent clergy of that church have allowed to enter therein.  God didn't just call men to preach, He called STRONG MEN to preach.  Many a man (especially nowadays with the effeminate men males running around all over the place) is no more able than a woman to lead a church, as we see.  And most "men" today are spiritual wimps, not even able to lead their own women, much less God's churches, as many disappointed Bible-based good women have come to sadly discover.  Don't expect that situation to get any better―ever.  Not until, that is, the True Husband Jesus Christ returns for His bride, the Christian church.

Revelation 19:5-13
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God 

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.  KJV

     Too bad the Rapturists won't be here for this, they will be flip-flopping around on a cloud somewhere―so they presume.  Oh Rapturists, will you never (spiritually) grow up?

1 Corinthians 13:11
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.  KJV

    We Christians aren't going anywhere, Rapturists; Jesus Christ is returning here.  Where shall you be at that time, and in what spiritual state shall you be?  That is what you need ask yourself.

     Where are those "taken" first, taken to?

Luke 17:33-37
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord?
[the question is: where are the first ones that "taken," taken to?]  And he said unto them [answer], Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.  KJV

     You wanna-be-taken-first Rapturists might be shocked when Matthew speaks a little clearer on those "bodies" that the "eagles" will be gathering over; he also joins together the two subjects of "those taken" in Luke chapt. 17 and the "those taken in deception in the end times" of Matthew chapt. 24 .  In the analogy, Luke (in verse 37 above) likened those people "taken" to bodies, Matthew (in verse 28 below) explains that these people are likened to dead bodies (carcasses): 

Matthew 24:24-31
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

[Notice by the verse immediately following that the above happens during the Tribulation; i.e., there never was any Rapture―just deceived folks following the false one(s).  Continuing on in this Scripture to document the timing:]

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.  KJV

     Also of great import is that the "eagles" here in both Scriptures are vultures, who are in the same Order and Family as some eagles; for eagles do not diet on carrion (dead things).  Also, there is no word for vulture in the Greek New Testament―the English word "vulture" does not appear in the 27 books of the New Testament.  Below is the Strong's definition for the word "eagles" as it appears in Mat 24:28 above:

eagle(s): Greek word #105 aetos (ah-et-os'); from the same as NT:109; an eagle (from its wind-like flight):  KJV - eagle.

     Bullinger's footnotes explain this more perfectly, giving Scriptural support.  Observe from the Companion Bible, page 1366, under the footnote to Matthew 24:28; specifically the words "carcase (carcass)," "eagle," and "gathered together" in the phrase: "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together" :

Companion Bible verse of Mat 24:28

Companion Bible footnotes for Mat 24:28

     Going to Job 39:30, as Bullinger points out, clears up the whole matter of the "bodies & carcasses" and the "eagles" gathering upon them of Mat 24:28 & Luke 17:37:

Job 39:27-30
27 Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?
28 She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.
29 From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.
30 Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.  KJV

     Below, in the Strong's definition for the English word "eagle" of Job 39:30, we see that the use of the word "eagle" in Scripture can also mean other large birds (such, I might add, as the vulture):

eagle:  Hebrew word #5404 nesher (neh'-sher); from an unused root meaning to lacerate; the eagle (or other large bird of prey):  KJV - eagle.

     Do not find it uncomforting that the categories of birds are somewhat unset in the Bible.  For even today in science there is disagreement as to which bird species belongs in which order/family etc.  Below is an excerpt showing that the Bearded Vulture, which looks very much like an Eagle, is in fact is in the same order (and family) as some eagles―therefore it was not any great thing that the Translators may have called a "Vulture" an "Eagle" in the Bible. 

     Today, in our modern world, classification of any species involves the sorting of them into increasingly smaller categories.  The animal kingdom is broken down into several descending groups, these are, in descending order: Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species.  The Bearded Vulture (Genus: Gypaetus Species: barbatus) below may well be the very bird that the Scriptures were speaking of, but there are others that fit.  I am going to this great length to document that the "eagles" in our two New Testament Scriptures (Luke 17, Mat 24) could well have been a species of vulture.  This is important because "our Rapturists" may enjoy being "taken" to where eagles are, but they know that it is definitely not a good thing to be "taken" where the vultures are; for, vultures eat dead things (carrion).  Below is the excerpt that I mentioned above:

...From here on in we will trace the vultures, specifically, Gypaetus barbatus, common name, the Bearded Vulture.

Order:
The Bearded Vulture belongs to the order Falconiformes which  encompasses over 270 species. This includes vultures, hawks, falcons and eagles (owls are not included in this order). All have hooked beaks for tearing flesh and most have talons, with the vultures having weaker feet as they feed on carrion and need not hold their prey to prevent it escaping. ...

Family:
Orders are further broken down into families; for our focus bird this is Accipitridae. These birds of prey are characterised by short rounded wings and a long tail. Among the family members are some vultures, eagles, hawks and kites....Vulture Culture, How Birds Are Named.

'Gypaetus barbatus', literal translation: 'vulture eagle with a beard'. Known more commonly as the Bearded Vulture.

     So, those "taken" first are taken to a place where the dead bodies are being visited upon by vultures.  Kind of gives a whole new meaning to being "Left Behind," does it not?  I think that I'll be "left behind" to wait upon the Lord Jesus Christ's Second Advent, thank you.  Which of course, is exactly what He said to do:

Luke 12:37-43
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.  KJV

Moving on...

You said:

"Another question, is prophecy still active? I mean, can someone tell the future of an individual? I know dreams can tell us about our own lives, but can someone tell the future, like psychics claim to do?"

     Can they, or should you participate?  Some can tell things by the evil spirits that they willingly allow to enter them.  But most are frauds ripping people off.  As to the ones who do have some access to information from the other side of the spiritual realm (the evil side), we are forbade to participate in these activities.  They are a great sin.  Below is a Scripture which forbids any contact with the occult and "spiritual guidance" from the other side.  Therefore, since anyone doing this is going against God, and is receiving their messages from evil spirits; the messages couldn't be trusted to be true anyway; for, the evil spirits lie and are themselves damned to hell, seeking to lead you with them.

All manner of the occult is forbidden:

Deuteronomy 18:9-15
9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire
[human (child) sacrifice], or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered
[allowed] thee so to do.
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me
[Jesus Christ]; unto him ye shall hearken;  KJV

     You want to know a thing, you want to know how a situation will turn out?  Ask the Lord in prayer; if it is His will that you know―He will let you know.  If you go to possessed people (which is exactly what "true" fortune tellers are), you will bring damnation upon yourself, because you become part of the sin yourself by participating in it. 

     The penalty for these types of activities is death.  And since man has become disobedient to God, and has not executed the witches and those who consort with evil spirits, as He directed them to [Lev 20:27]―nor the adulterers [Lev 20:10], and Homosexuals [Lev 20:13], etc., as He also directed to be executed after fair trial, I might add; which is exactly why we have a literal explosion of this profane stuff today―what do you think that God shall do with them when He "gets His hands on them" after they die?  You can beat man's "justice" system, but you can't beat God's.

     And you've got to just love (Sic) the play-preachers who ignorantly run around today in their fine robes and noble titles having "candle-light vigils" saying that God is against Capital Punishment (execution); they obviously don't know their Bible nor their God.  They don't work for God, perhaps they never did; but rather, they are advocates for satan's sin and perversion.  God has a little talk waiting for them when He "gets His hands on" them as well.

Four of the several Capital Offenses in God's Bible:

Leviticus 20:27
27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.  KJV

Exodus 22:18-20
18 Thou shalt not suffer
[allow] a witch to live.
19 Whosoever lieth with a beast
[bestiality] shall surely be put to death.
20 He that sacrificeth unto any god
[which the world shall do in the Tribulation!], save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.  KJV

     So, even if a person could bring messages to you from the other side, why would you want to hear them, seeing that; 1). you couldn't trust the message anyway; and, 2). God says to kill you for being involved in the activity in the first place?  Below we see one such sad fellow who attempted this type of stuff:

1 Samuel 28:5-16
5 And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled.
6 And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams nor by Urim, nor by prophets.
7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit
[evil spirit], that I may go to her, and inquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.
[...continuing down in the Scripture:]

...11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up
[from the dead] unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?  KJV

     Saul sinned and did a terrible thing.  He sought "a woman that hath a familiar spirit" (1 Samuel 28:5a), when God had ordered that "There shall not be found among you any . . . . consulter with familiar spirits" (Duet 18:10a, 11a).

     Enough said?

     In closing, you mentioned that you were seeing these abominations in the Pentecostal and Charismatic church denominations.  And you spoke well; for, these denominations are the leading Christian churches to be cavorting with evil spirits and demonic possessions in their services.  Below is an excerpt from our 'Unknown' Tongues study which offers some testimonials from dear Christians who came out of these evil-spirit filled churches.  You might also note the predominance of women involved:

"...Are you offended that I said that satan is diluting the Christian churches in these times?  Here, look at what satan has some of them doing their own so-called Christian churches today.  In the below testimonies you can see the very real influence of evil spirits in some mainstream Christian denominations.   Below are a couple of testimonies of Christians who came out of the delusion of the "Tongues Talking" denomination churches.

      First is a letter from a woman, whom we will leave unnamed, regarding her experience with the demonic Talking in Tongues, Slain in the Spirit, and Toronto Blessing experiences.  (emphasis is added (bold italics) to highlight certain statements made in the below):

"I have been to some really good churches where everyone was very friendly and nice but I ended up leaving these churches because these people were falling down, making animal noises, and in my opinion they were acting almost as if they were under a spell of some sort. I have never felt particularly comfortable with the practice.

One day some of the ladies invited me to fellowship at one of their houses and I was a fairly new christian at the time and not well grounded in the word.  After dinner, these same woman invited me to pray with them and they all started to pray in tongues which was alright but then they started to make animal noises and fall all over the place.  I was immediatly feeling a sense that something was very wrong.

Later, at the table, we were all talking and one woman said that when they were doing all this, she got a feeling that she should stop doing it.  Guess what, she blamed it on the devil but I really felt deep down inside that it was the Holy Spirit convicting here for doing the practice.

One night in a separate incident, One of the pastors at this same church laid hands on me and prayed over me with the elder.  All of a sudden the Pastor pushed me down and as I laid on the floor, I looked up at him, and while he was praying in tongues, he looked at me with the glassiest and craziest look I have ever seen before.  It sent a cold chill up my back and I knew something was definently wrong. Many times at church, this same pastor would stare at me with the same hypnotic glance to the point that I had to turn my head.  He acted very strange and very odd when I would see him in the basement of the church.  He was nice and everything but there was definently something very eerie about his presence.

When I quit that church to go to another, I was told that I was being led by Satan to go to another church and that their church was the only one where I lived that was teaching the truth.

I was also told that if I left that church, I would fall into apostacy so I never went back again."

            Next is a letter from a young mother, whom we will leave unnamed, regarding her experience with the demonic Talking in Tongues and Toronto Blessing experiences:

"I have had the shaking thing [Ed note: this is the so-called: "Shaking in the Spirit"] happen to me at the Pentecostal church I attend but I am wondering what it is.  I do not believe it is of God.  It gives me the willies.

One time in fact I went to a fellowship at one of the woman who attend my church's house and two other ladies went also.  I also had my kids and these women started to make animal noises and howl right in front of my kids.  I played a long as I was just a babe myself, however I felt something really wrong in the spirit about this.

As I have said before, I have turned from allot of the gifts due to this.  I have even been trying not to speak in tongues although I fight the tongues thing.  I still feel led to pray in tongues but part of me hates praying in them after what I have seen in the Pentecostal/Charismatic church."

       Bottom line:  Talking in Tongues is not of the Holy Spirit, but is rather of evil spirits deceiving the speaker.  [End of excerpt.  See entire study at: 'Unknown' Tongues]

    
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