Still more objections to Ezekiel 40-48 NOT being
the Millennium of Revelation
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question. With that being said;
Hi Nick,
What I wrote concerning the Millennium was a response to one of YOUR
studies. You really need to take a look at this as I feel I've made,
through God's Word of course, a strong argument for my case.
Here again is the study attached. I welcome comments back on this.
Always enjoy your site--especially the current events, culture watch
and end-time prophecy things. I don't always agree on everything,
but then again, as you know, God didn't take a cookie cutter and
make us all the same either!!
God Bless,
[xxxxx]
The reader presents his argument:
Hi Nick,
I recently read your study in answer to some questions on the
Millennium and I must respectfully disagree with your thoughts on
that.
And that is fine; I never expect any reader to agree 100% in lockstep with
me here. We are not trying to build a base of "followers," we are
trying to build a base of Bible students who can go on to do their
own Bible studies and then to teach others how to search the Scriptures for
themselves:
Acts 17:11
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they
received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the
scriptures daily,
whether those things were so. KJV
All I do ask is that any criticism be respectfully presented and with
Biblical Scripture as documentation.
You stated that the
Ezekiel chapters 40-48 have been SUPERCEDED by the Lord because the
world rejected Christ at His first advent.
While I do agree that
had the nation accepted Him as the Messiah and repented, then we
would've entered into the Millennium then and then you and I would
never have been born. The kingdom is in abeyance (not yet).
Well, we disagree even here. You said:
"then we would've
entered into the Millennium then"
There is no millennium mentioned in
Ezekiel, there is no one-thousand years mentioned there. The future
envisioned in Ezekiel was to be forever. There is no future
heavenly place mentioned in Ezekiel, you could call Ezekiel a "Heaven on
Earth." Below is the last verse of the book of Ezekiel; and speaking
of the temple built in Ezekiel—it is forever:
Ezek 48:35
35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the
cityfrom that day shall be, The Lord is there. KJV
Also, you will notice that much of
Ezekiel 40-48 speaks of a Temple and Holy City etc; however, the book
of Revelation (in the 20th chapter, the Millennium chapter—the 1000 years)
there is no temple there. The only Jerusalem and Temple mentioned to exist after
Christ returns is the Heavenly Temple, the Heavenly Jerusalem.
Observe:
Rev 20:15
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out
of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. KJV
Rev 21:22
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb
are the temple of it. KJV
You said:
"and then you and I would
never have been born"
This is not true either; for, in
Ezekiel we see children (and fathers, mothers, sisters, etc.)
mentioned several times. As well as marriage, death, virginity,
divorce, etc. So how do you say that you and I would never have
been born? These things which are seen in Ezekiel are not seen in the
"Heaven" (i.e., Heaven Age—the third Earth Age of 2nd Peter 3:13 in
Revelation chapter 21 forward), nor in the Millennium of Revelation chapter
20 forward. Observe from Ezekiel's vision:
Ezek 44:21-25
21 Neither shall any priest drink wine, when they enter into the inner
court.
22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put
away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or
a widow that had a priest before.
23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and
profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge
it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my
statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.
25 And they shall come at no dead person to defile themselves: but for
father, or for mother, or for son, or for daughter, for brother, or for
sister that hath had no husband, they may defile themselves. KJV
Ezek 46:16-18
16 Thus saith the Lord God; If the prince give a gift unto any of his
sons, the inheritance thereof shall be his sons'; it shall be their
possession by inheritance.
17 But if he give a gift of his inheritance to one of his servants, then
it shall be his to the year of liberty; after it shall return to the
prince: but his inheritance shall be his sons' for them.
18 Moreover the prince shall not take of the people's inheritance by
oppression, to thrust them out of their possession; but he shall give
his sons inheritance out of his own possession: that my people be not
scattered every man from his possession. KJV
Now, I know that you will
"spiritualize these Scriptures away," but I would ask you: by what
authority? Is it not rather that you have initially learned these
Scriptures in a "spiritualized context" and now have trouble seeing them as
anything other? Why can't God simply mean what He said, even though it
disagrees with any fellow's doctrinal interpretation?
However, I disagree
with your thoughts on the soon-to-be Millennium and what will be
happening. I believe that the Millennium will go forward just as
stated in Ezekiel 40-48---minus the flesh element. We'll be in
spiritual bodies at the time--some with eternal souls, and the rest
with souls not eternal-- until the Great White Throne Judgement.
So, you are saying that we can take
some of Ezekiel's vision as accurate and some of it as inaccurate (or
changed)? I refer to your statement:
"I believe that the
Millennium will go forward just
as stated in Ezekiel 40-48---minus
the flesh element."
And the authority for this division
between what is to be accepted and what is not to be acceptable comes from
where? You? Pastor Murray? Can't you see that what is
happening here is that you are taking as literal that which fits into
your preconceived notions, and anything that does not fit into your favorite
interpretation then automatically becomes void, "spiritually speaking," or
"changed"?
I believe when it
speaks of sacrifices, brothers, mothers, etc in Ezekiel 40-48.--that
those are figures of speech that God uses so a flesh man can
understand what's being stated. I do not doubt that's how it
would've gone if that nation had accepted Jesus
Christ. Obviously there won't be any LITERAL sacrifices offered
now since Jesus is our sacrificial lamb for one and all time.
Okay,
if you can say that "I do not doubt that's how
it would've gone if that nation had accepted Jesus Christ. Obviously
there won't be any LITERAL sacrifices offered", then why can't you
understand that since the Kingdom was rejected when they rejected the King
(Jesus at the Crucifixion) then the offered Kingdom written of in Ezekiel
was completely retracted and superseded by the Kingdom spoken afterwards in
the book of Revelation? With all due respect I say to you that it
sounds like you are "picking and choosing" arbitrarily what remains and what
was retracted.
You tend to think that
there's no 2nd chances and that Pastor Murray teaches the Millennium
period as a 2nd chance.
I
absolutely reject any such notion as a second chance,
the reasons for that have been enumerated in the above four articles that I
presented at the beginning of this.
I disagree with you
thinking that because, as PM states all the time, and just by using
common sense, with what is taught in the world in Christianity
(false tongues, rapture, and NOT teaching of the Word), plus all the
other false religions out there who've never even heard the Word or
the Biblical account of Jesus coming to earth to save us from our
sins, etc) these people don't have a real prayer of a chance to be
saved!!
Well, regardless of what "Pastor Murray
says" and contrary to your own application of "common sense," the
world has heard of Jesus Christ. There is not any nation that
doesn't know what Jesus Christ claimed in the New Testament. All
peoples know that (Bible-based) Christianity teaches that without
believing in Jesus Christ a man cannot see eternal life; in fact, it is for
these very claims of Christianity and the exclusivity of them that the world
hates us. The Muslims know it while they slaughter Christians in the
Sudan, etc. And the Jews always knew it whilst they killed or
had others kill Christians all down through time since the Crucifixion of
Messiah Jesus Christ on through the Tribulation. This notion that
Christianity and her claims are somehow unknown to the non-Christian
world is absurd. People do know—they just reject Him.
And should there be "that proverbial person" (who is mentioned by that
anti-Christian and New-Age pied-piper Oprah Winfrey leading silly women
astray) that washed ashore as a child and grew up alone on the deserted island
never being preached to about Jesus Christ—then God shall teach him, or
Jesus would appear to him. God doesn't forget His children. Are
not even Aborted babies saved though they knew not Christ? God is
able.
And where you say: "these
people don't have a real prayer of a chance to be saved", I feel that
that can be a dangerous statement; for, Christ's crucifixion was certainly
more than "a prayer of a chance," and which word of was impossible to
suppress: "And he answered and said unto them, I tell
you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry
out. " (Luke 19:40 ). And did not Jesus Himself
instruct His church:
Mark 16:15-16
[Christ speaking]
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the
gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
believeth not shall be damned. KJV
You will then say to me that, "Yes,
Jesus told them to do the above, but that doesn't mean that they obeyed."
And you might have had a good argument had Jesus not assured us of the
following. Is it not written that all will hear the Gospel of Jesus
Christ (though many will not accept it)?
Matt 24:11-14
[Christ speaking]
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And
this
gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in
all the world for
a witness unto all
nations; and then
shall the end come. KJV
Was the above Scripture unclear?
What happens before the end in verse 14? I would certainly call that
much more than "a prayer of a chance." The Gospel of Jesus
Christ shall be known to all nations.
So, be careful that you don't
mistakenly blame God for the error or disobedience of men. To say
that in this world people don't have "a prayer of a chance" means that God
was lacking—God forbid! Sometimes we just have to get out of God's
way. Now, I know that you don't mean to sound like this but it almost
sounds as though your doctrine does not need Jesus Christ nor His work on
the cross. For, if a man can be saved without Jesus Christ then
He was offered in vain—God forbid!
We know from II Peter
3:9--
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count
slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any
should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
**So if it's God will that all come to repentance, He's a just and
fair God who is going to make sure that everyone has a REAL chance
(unhindered by the mess of lies--i.e. media, kenite influence in
society, etc), to learn the truth AND become disciplined in
following God and His ways. Obviously Revelation chapter 20 shows
that MANY will still be deceived and follow Satan at the end of the
Millennial period and end up in the Lake of Fire, but it's God
WISH that all would repent and be saved. He's going to make sure
people have a REAL opportunity to do just that prior to throwing
them in the Lake of Fire. God is VERY patient--much more so than
any man or woman.***
I take great exception to where you say
(capitalization is in your original):
"God who is going to
make sure that everyone has a REAL chance"
"He's going to make
sure people have a REAL opportunity"
And what is going on down here from
the First Advent through to the Second Advent is not a "REAL"
chance? What is it, a hint? A suggestion? A mystery to be
unravel after death when pastor Murray's students will finish God's
unfinished and Jesus' insufficient work during the Millennium? You may
not realize it but you are adhering to a Universalist theology.
Universalism doctrine teaches that all shall be saved, and in
the most extreme sects of Universalists they believe that even satan and the
fallen angels shall be saved in the end.
And as to your statement:
"Obviously Revelation
chapter 20 shows that MANY will still be deceived and follow Satan at
the end of the Millennial period and end up in the Lake of Fire"
No, many shall follow satan and attack
God's saved saints and shall be exterminated by God. You have to stop
apologizing for every Christ-denier. You use the word "deceived" as
though it were an excuse, as though these people are victims not offenders.
Were the Jews who forced Christ's crucifixion victims or offenders?
And if they died before believing in Jesus Christ and repenting are they
Heaven or hell bound? You make it sound like "being deceived"
is some sort of innocent "mental illness" that God overlooks. Hardly,
people are deceived because of their own stubbornness and lack of faith.
No man who reads the Bible and believes it will be deceived. Certainly
they won't be deceived when satan's first beast Judaics start killing
Christians and forcing the mark of the beast under threat of death—these
people are evil and were never true Christians, as are very many today.
People either don't care or they run to preachers to do their own homework
for them. Take the average catholic, for instance, many have never
opened a Bible on their own, some never even owned one. They leave all
that God stuff to the priest, they they just say "amen" to opt in. Do you think that
Evangelical mega-Pastor John Hagee is a real Christian?
Hardly, he is an agent of the kosher beast. And he is by far not alone
in these endtimes. And there shall be more. Many people spend
more effort deciding on what house to buy than they do searching out which
doctrine to believe. Are these victims in your eyes? Is it God's
oversight that caused them to be so afflicted?
You hold the
traditional view that the overcomers (The elect who are martyred,
etc in the Great Tribulation, etc) will be basically celebrating
with the Lord for that period of time. While I don't doubt that is
true, you know yourself, I know myself. We're not going to be
content to be partying it up, etc. We're going to also want to help
instruct the people on the outside (who were deceived in the
tribulation). God has designed us a certain way. We have compassion
on people who are lied to and deceived NOW.
Really?
You think that I shall be weeping for Christ's and God's enemies? You
think that my only desire shall be that the murderers of Christians and
those men that seduced others into taking a mark of the beast be exonerated?
You think that I would desire for those rotten evil souls to infect Heaven
and once again cause an attempted overthrow of God? Every tear in this
world is caused by them, they are not your friends and they are not God's
friends. And while I do not jolly in the destruction of the wicked, I
certainly do not desire to judge God's wisdom in the matter. Paul by
the Holy Spirit spoke on this matter expressly:
Rom 9:10-23
10 And not only
this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father
Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or
evil, that the purpose of God according to election might
stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with
God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have
mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have
I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name
might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he
will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt
say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted
his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art
thou
that repliest against
God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why
hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make
one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power
known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath
fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the
vessels of mercy, which he had
afore prepared unto glory, KJV
If you cannot understand the above last two verses
then you dare not try to inject yourself into God's plans. God
knows what He is doing, and none shall be lost that He is not willing to
lose. You must understand that there was an Earth Age before this one
where many turned against God, rebelled in Heaven, and followed satan in the
insurrection; otherwise you might think that God is unfair—God forbid!
Well, many of those damned characters are walking among us today, some are
preaching from pulpits, some sitting right next to us in church. But
God knows every man's heart.
How much more so
will we have compassion in a spritiual body when our Lord Jesus
takes control of the earth and Satan, the great deceiver, is locked
away?
With all due respect: who the heck
are we!?! Me thinks that you think a little too highly of yourself.
You and I are so very blessed that we are even ourselves saved—we
certainly can't claim to deserve it—much less think ourselves to be
God's councilors or someone who is going to correct His judgment on saved
verses unsaved souls—God forbid!
And let's face it--the
people of this world have been greatly lied to since Satan was in
the Garden of Eden and from the time Cain was expelled and did the
damage in regards to setting up religious idolotry (See
Sargon the Magnificent). Our own 'Christian' shepherds are
overthrown by the b.s. of 'politically correctness' and by their
lack of getting proper Biblical instruction in the seminiaries (due
no doubt to heavy kenite influence in the universities). Studies
have shown that an overwhelming majority of clergy DOUBT the Virgin
Birth!! What business do any of them have serving in the 'House of
the Lord' when they reject the Savior coming to the EARTH?! For to
doubt the Virgin Birth IS to say that the Messiah didn't come
to the earth. That's what the Christian layperson is largely up
against.
I don't think that Heaven is going to be
quite as crowded as you suppose:
Matt 7:13-23
[Christ speaking]
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is
the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in
thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto
life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but
inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree
bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree
bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast
into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied
in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done
many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity. KJV
I have a list of
references from the Book of Isaiah that refer to the Millennial time
and that there will be INSTRUCTION going on during that time.
Isaiah 2:3:
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to
the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and
he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for
out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD
from Jerusalem.
the Hebrew word for
teach here in the Strong's is 3384, and it means:
to throw, shoot, pour, to point out, show, to
direct, teach, instruct
Sir, that was Old Testament just as was
Ezekiel. Haven't you taken into consideration that when fulfilled that
offer the people rejected it and killed the Messiah? Did they say the
above when Jesus was there? No, they murdered Him and threw the offer
of the Kingdom back in God's face. And you say it
refers to the Millennium, the Scriptures themselves speak of the time of the
Kingdom, and none mention it to have an end after 1000 years.
**Obviously, this can't
happen today as the kenites rule and reign in Jerusalem, the future
seat (capital) of Mystery Babylon. This can only happen AFTER the
2nd Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. This would apply to the people
on the OUTSIDE of the Sanctuary, not on the inside (the elect
overcomers of now and past). The elect of Israel (and the kings of
the Gentiles) will be assisting the Lord Jesus Christ run His holy
world kingdom.**
Some more
documentation:
26:9 With my soul
have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me
will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments [are] in the
earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Strong's word for
learn is # 3925 and it means: teach, exercise in, to learn, to
teach, to be taught
27:6 He shall cause
them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and
bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.
Also,
29:18 And in
that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes
of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
29:24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to
understanding, and they that murmured shall learn
doctrine.
**The Hebrew Word here
for learn is the word # 3925 again and means
'to be taught'
41:20 That they may
see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the
hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath
created it.
42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will
hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a
covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
The Hebrew word for
light here is Strong's # 216 and it means:
-Light of Day, light of Day, light of lamp, light of life, light of
life, light of prosperity, light of instruction
Same answer as above.
Inasmuch as our Lord is
just and fair and doesn't desire anyone to perish, He has certainly
set that Millennial time for discipline and instruction. If someone
is a Christian who's utterly deceived by their false preachers and
then Satan when he appears as Antichrist, as well as the Muslims who
are awaiting Mohammed to return, the Buddists are awaiting Buddah
and the Hindus are awaiting Elephant-headed man (Ganesh I believe
they call him), these people haven't had a REAL, clear and
unhindered 1st chance to learn the truth.
Nowhere is it written that, as you say: "He
has certainly set that Millennial time for discipline and instruction."
Go back and re-read Revelation chapter twenty, search in vain for
"instruction," "discipline" (or "conversion" for that matter). You are
confusing the Old Testament Kingdom, which was rejected, with the New
Testament Kingdom, which is outlined in the book of Revelation chapter 21 &
22. You
seem to not need the New Testament. That was the Jew's big mistake.
They thought that they could simply kill God's Messiah Jesus Christ and just
go on as if nothing had happened, and then expect all the blessings promised
in the Old Testament—that is the entire basis for the modern day religion of
Judaism. And I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. When
you break a covenant it is broken. Cheat on your "till death do us
part" husband, and guess what? That covenant is void, he's liable to
divorce you by law. Well, kill God's Messiah and guess what? The
Covenant of the Kingdom is retracted. That's what happened when they
murdered Jesus Christ; and then God made another Kingdom outcome.
Along with Jesus being the new Covenant, there was also a new Heavenly
Kingdom offered. And we today can enter into that Heaven by Jesus
Christ alone.
Especially with all the
lies and distortions the kenites have put out through their control
of the 4 Hidden Dynasties--i.e. the education system, mass media,
and control of religion, not to mention the role Cain himself in
setting up false religions (again I'm referring here to that great
book Sargon the Magnificent). I believe that all
the false religions can be traced back to Babylon, a place of
power and great influence for Cain at one point in his lengthy
life**
A couple more verses that sow this topic up are:
Isaiah 52:15 So
shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their
mouths at him: for [that] which had not been told them shall
they see; and [that] which they had not heard shall they
consider.
The Hebrew word
Consider here is Strong's # 995, which means: to perceive,
discern, to understand, know, insight, understanding, to cause to
understand
**Simple--they're 'Caused to understand' because they're
being instructed by the Lord through His servants, the elect,
who participated in the 1st resurrection.**
One last verse on this:
Isaiah 54:13 And
all thy children [shall be] taught of the LORD;
and great [shall be] the peace of thy children.
**The Hebrew Word for
taught here is # 3928 and it means: taught,
learned, discipled
Same answer as above.
So there you have it.
We don't exactly what all of us will be doing at that time, but it's
clear as crystal to me that this will be the PRIMARY objective the
Lord has in mind for that period of time. Yes I believe there'll be
a 'honeymoon' so to be speak of God with His elect wife (bride) at
the 2nd Advent, but then it'll be time to get to work. And we'll
take great joy in knowing that the Lord thinks enough of us lowly
sinners to help Him in instructing, governing cities and judging (in
civil suits, etc) the world at the time.
In closing, I hope you take a long hard look at these references. I
enjoy many of the great studies you've put up on the site along with
all the culture watch, current events, etc that you post on there. I
know I've learned a lot in the year I've been visiting the site.
I
have long ago taken a long hard look at those verses and more; and you and I
shall have to simply agree to disagree on this matter. And thank you
for the kind words.
In closing, Jesus was asked regarding
whether or not His appearing was the promised time of the Kingdom of the Old
Testament Scriptures. He answers them in the affirmative, but explains
that it was being rejected:
Matt 17:10-13
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that
Elias [Elijah—Mal 4:5-6] must
first come [before Messiah]?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come,
and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come
already
[i.e., fulfilled], and they
knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed
[they killed him]. Likewise
shall also the Son of man suffer of them [they
killed Him].
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John
the Baptist [as Elijah]. KJV
And had they not rejected Messiah we
would today be living in a world described in Ezekiel 40-48 and the
world all the other Old Testament prophets who spoke on the matter have described. But now we
see that we are not. Why? What changed? Christ was
rejected and murdered; that changed everything. That is why there
shall be no animal sacrifices. That is why there was a New Covenant
(in the New Testament of your Bible). That is why after the
Second coming of Jesus Christ there is no longer any flesh man.
That is why there is no Elijah character preceding the Second Advent—God
replaced that with the Two Witnesses (Revelation Chpt. 11).
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True Israel verses the false Jewish State today in
Palestine: a Scriptural comparison by Col. Jack Mohr.
A reader writes:
Subject: Jews
Eph 6:12 we are not to wrestle with flesh and blood. our fight is
with power and principalities on high.
You need to know the difference between our brother
Judah and the Kenites.
Answer:
Hello. You stated:
"You need to know the difference between our
brother Judah and the Kenites"
Do you? Are you alleging that "our brother Judah" is
over there in Palestine in the post-1948 so-called nation state of
Israel? Please show me some examples of the nation and people that
are over there fulfilling
any endtime or even Hebrew Old Testament prophecy (except for being
the future seat of the beast in the Tribulation).
Thank you.
PS: You might benefit
by the below article
from the great and faithful Christian (but now deceased) Col. Jack Mohr;
a man who feared not to tell the truth in a church world full of
errors, lies and deception. A man after my own heart, if I may
humbly so claim. May Jack rest in peace in Christ Jesus, and
we'll see him on the other side!
THE MARKS OF ISRAEL
by COL. GORDON "JACK" MOHR
For Christ and Country
How strange it is, that with all the definite and positive
assurances in the Word of God as to Israel's continuance forever
as a Nation, there has never been any continued or persistent
effort on the part of genuine Bible believers to find them. That
they have been content to let them fade away and vanish into
nothingness is surely a deep reproach on all true Christians.
There is, however, one probable explanation. It was GOD'S WILL
AND PURPOSE TO HIDE THEM. While the Jews (some of whom are only
a part of the House of Judah) occupied the stage, and even
called themselves "Israel", God could work unhindered with and
in "Lost Israel", till he had finished his predetermined work,
and without them knowing they were the people of the Book. Only
as Israel's time of punishment had run out, with the whole of
God's purposes at the point of complete fulfillment, was the
identity of Israel to become known.
However, it is a matter of inspired record that God placed
"marks" on His people Israel. During the Christian dispensation,
Lost Israel was to possess these marks of identification. So
then, if we can discover the nations and people with Israel's
marks, we have found the people whom God chose to serve Him to
be a channel of blessing to all mankind. The God-given marks are
very many, and while the following list is not exhaustive, they
constitute a chain of evidence utterly impossible to ignore.
One race, and one race alone, has all these marks. Nations
within this race may have only a portion of them, but the race
as a whole has them all. With a few exceptions, Joseph (the
birthright nation) was the recipient of them all. By
inheritance, his two sons, Ephraim (Great Britain) and Manasseh
(U.S.A.) will be found possessing them all.
While Israelites remain in other countries, America is the home
of millions of all the thirteen tribes (one out of many) and
thus is representative of the whole House of Jacob. We are bound
by Israel's responsibilities; fulfilling Israel's destiny. The
MARKS are on us everywhere; in our NAME; in our SABBATH; in our
INSTITUTIONS; in our PHILANTHROPY; in our COMMERCE; in our
WEALTH; in our MINES; in our AGRICULTURE; in our CHURCHES; in
our MISSIONARY ENTERPRISES; in our ARMED FORCES; in our
POSSESSION OF THE BIBLE: - all BIRTHMARKS, which neither time,
nor the ages, nor even our sin can wipe out.
1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut.
4:7,8.
2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17;
24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10;
Zech. 10:7,8.
3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South.
Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.
4. Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.
5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer.
3:18.
6. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1;
49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.
7. Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16;
35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.
8. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within
Israel). 2nd Sam. 7:13,19; 1st Chron. 22:10; 2nd Chron. 13:5;
Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.
9. Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22;
Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech.
10:8,9.
10. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa.
35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12.
11. Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room. Isa. 49:19, 20.
12. Israel to have all the land needed. Deut. 32:8.
13. Israel to be the first among the nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.
14. Israel to continue as a nation forever. 2nd Sam. 7:16, 24,
29; 1st Chron. 17:22-27; Jer. 31:35-37.
15. Israel's home to be invincible to outside forces. 2nd Sam.
7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.
16. Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God. Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 15-17; Micah 5:8, 9.
17. Israel to be God's instrument in destroying evil. Jer.
51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35.
18. Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth. Gen. 49:25,
26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15-19.
19. Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen.
27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28:11; 33:13, 14, 28.
20. Israel to be rich by trading. Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.
21. Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deut. 2:25;
4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16, 17; Jer. 33:9.
22. Israel to lend to other nations, borrowing of none. Deut.
15:6; 28.12.
23. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.
24. Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11 (The Bible, by
means of which God speaks now to Israel, is English not Hebrew).
25. Israel to possess the gates of his enemies. Gen. 22:17.
26. Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them. Deut.
33:17; Isa. 60:12.
27. Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, "when
rolls up to you all the wealth of the sea". That could not be
unless Israel controlled it).
28. Israel to have a new religion (New Covenant.) Heb. 8:10-13;
9:17; Matt. 10:5-7; Luke 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49-52; Gal.
3:13.
29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos.
1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.
30. Israel to keep Sabbath forever (one day in seven set aside).
Ex. 31:13, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13, 14.
31. Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept
Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11.
32. Israel to be a people saved by the Lord. Deut. 33:27-29; Isa.
41:8-14; 43:1-8;44:1-3;49:25, 26; 52:1-12; 55:3-10, 13; Jer.
46:27, 28; Eze. 34:10-16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.
33. Israel to be the custodians of the Oracles (Scriptures) of
God. Psa. 147:19, 21; Isa. 59-21.
34. Israel to carry the Gospel to all the world. Gen. 28:14; Isa.
43:10-12 (witnesses), 21; Micah 5:7.
35. Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free. Deut.
15:7, 11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.
36. Israel to be the heir of the world. Rom. 4:13.
37. Israel to be God's Glory. Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1, 2.
38. Israel to possess God's Holy Spirit as well as His Word. Isa.
44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.
39. Israel to be God's Heritage, formed by God, forever. Deut.
4:20; 7:6; 14:2; 2nd Sam. 7:23; 1st Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21;
54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27; Micah 7:14 -18.
40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa.
41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.
"YE SEED OF ISRAEL'S CHOSEN RACE,
YE RANSOMED OF THE FALL,
HAIL HIM WHO SAVES YOU BY HIS GRACE,
AND CROWN HIM LORD OF ALL."
[End]
It is needless to point out
that the impostor nation of so-called Israel today in Palestine
fulfills none of the Bible's above prophecies of the Israel of God.
And if not of God, whence come they? And if from the devil,
then why are Christians (Christian Zionists and Judeo-Christians)
supporting the lie in defiance of God's Word? Answer: they are
apart and away from God and are not following Him, they have grabbed
a hold of the skirts of the antichrists. The International
Judaics have usurped true Israel's identity so that the non-Hebrew
Khazars have been taken by the Christian churches to be God's chosen
people Israel. And having disguised themselves as God's chosen
they have placed themselves in Israel's place in the prophecies, so
as to profane and pervert the below Scripture, for instance—just as satan shall do
when he disguises himself as the true Lord during the Tribulation.
Zech 8:23
23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to
pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the
nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew,
saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with
you. KJV
This should have (and would
have) been fulfilled at the Advent of Christ, but they murdered Him
on the cross instead, thus forfeiting the worldly Kingdom that He
was to lead as Ezekiel's etc. prophecies spoke of. In
regards this hitherto "unconventional" position, see our:
But it (the subservience to
the "Jews") may be mimicked as an impersonated "type" during the
Tribulation. The religious "Jews" (Talmudists) of today long
for this Scripture to be fulfilled shortly in them; and it
forms the foundation for their
Noahide Laws (seven main laws [and hundreds of minor laws] for
"Gentiles" under their endtime servitude to the "Jews," as the
Jewish Talmud reports). Note: at the
aforementioned Talmud
Noahide Laws link, see ¶4 (paragraph 4) for the sentence for
violating the Noahide Laws—beheading! Then compare that to the
Tribulation beheadings mentioned in Revelation 20:4 and fill in
the blanks. However, the god of the Jews (and the world)
in the Tribulation shall not be the Lord God but rather shall be
satan in disguise; i.e., the antichrist as seen sitting in
power impersonating God in 2nd Thes 2:4, and shown as the second
beast, "another beast", in Rev 13:11ff.
Anyway, that is what wolves in sheep's
clothing do, they are impostors, and they sneak into the flock
through subterfuge and in disguise so as to slaughter the chosen flock,
God's good Christians of all stripes.
Acts 20:28-30
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock,
over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed
the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous
wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse
things, to draw away disciples after them. KJV
2 Cor 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming [disguise - Grk.
#3345] themselves into the apostles
of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed
[disguise - Grk. #3345]
into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed [disguise - Grk.
#3345] as the ministers of
righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
KJV
transforming/ed: Greek word
#3345 metaschematizo (met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo);
from NT:3326 and a derivative of NT:4976; to transfigure or
disguise; figuratively, to apply (by accommodation): KJV -
transfer, transform (self).
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"And he [God] changeth the times and the seasons" —
Dan 2:21.
A reader writes:
In our Bible Study group on Wed., there was
a discussion on how seasons will change toward the end of time.
Some seemed to think the Bible says we will not be able to recognize
one season from another and yet others of us could not recall
reading that in our Bibles.
We know that many countries do not have the spring, summer, fall,
winter that most people in North America recognize, but does Bible
really say the seasons will merge and if so, where?
I have been searching the internet for several hours and come across
this web site. It seems to be very informative and clearly Bible
based. Thank you for making something like this available for
students of the Bible.
Answer:
Hello. Thank you for the kind words, they do mean much
to us here. You asked:
"In our Bible Study group on Wed., there was
a discussion on how seasons will change toward the end of time.
Some seemed to think the Bible says we will not be able to
recognize one season from another and yet others of us could not
recall reading that in our Bibles."
I have never heard of that
position, perhaps they are confusing an Old Testament endtime Scripture?
I would say that Jesus' interjection in Matthew chapter 24, etc.
should serve to dispel any notion that seasons as regarding to climate
and weather would be changed. Jesus stated of the time during the
mid portion of the Tribulation:
Matt 24:14-22
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world
for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken
of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth,
let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing
out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his
clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck
in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the
winter, neither
on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the
beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh
be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
KJV
Mark 13:17-20
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck
in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the
winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the
beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither
shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh
should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he
hath shortened the days. KJV
winter:
Greek word #5494 cheimon (khi-mone'); from a
derivative of cheo (to pour; akin to the base of NT:5490
through the idea of a channel), meaning a storm (as pouring
rain); by implication, the rainy season, i.e. winter: KJV - tempest, foul weather, winter.
Another endtime Scripture which
mentions the continued existence of seasons would be in the below parable.
And though it is a parable there is nonetheless literal descriptions
within. The season of summer is heralded by the sprouting of the
figs just as the Second Advent shall be heralded by the events of the
Tribulation:
Luke 21:29-33
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the
trees;
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves
that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come
to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till
all be fulfilled.
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass
away. KJV
It is difficult oftentimes to argue
against a supposition (such as that "seasons will end in the endtimes") when
these same suppositions are not based upon a Scripture themselves.
It's kind of like trying to prove by the Bible that there are no
little green men on Mars. However, if we observe God's intention when
He created this and that, including the seasons, we can come
to the reasonable conclusion that God has no intention to cease the seasons.
Below is when God first mentions the seasons and their relation to other
heavenly bodies.
Gen 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to
divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for
seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give
light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and
the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon
the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light
from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
KJV
A laymen's knowledge of how the
seasons come about reveals that they have to do with the rotation of the
planet on its axis, in attitude, and in relation to the sun.
Therefore, to eliminate the seasons one would have to fundamentally change
the attitude and movement of the planet itself. Below is an excerpt
from an article which states in a simple way how we get our seasons:
Why
the Earth has Seasons
"As time goes by, spring turns to summer, summer
turns to autumn, autumn turns to winter and eventually winter becomes
spring again. The years roll by and the Earth keeps spinning around the
Sun.
Why, though, do these different
seasons of the year occur? The simple answer is that it's due to the
Earth being tilted at an angle of about 23.5° and to its rotation around
the Sun...."
Below is a picture from Wikipedia
Encyclopedia that illustrates the Earth's 23.5ş tilted axis. It is
substantially from this tilted axis that we have our seasons:
Therefore—and not limiting God, of course—but God would have to tip the planet 23.5 degrees to terminate the
seasons—this would have a drastic effect upon the Earth and its inhabitants,
kind of like suddenly jerking a saucer full of water while your walking with
it.
So, if the seasons are not to
cease, then we must search for our answer in another place. That is to
say, we have to determine what it is that has confused some people into
thinking that the seasons were to end in the endtimes of our world here.
Perhaps we can find the source of the confusion in the book of Daniel.
Daniel makes a parenthetical statement while he is
praising God for giving him information that will save his life and the
life of his fellows from the hand of the king of Babylon. Below,
in Daniel's prayer of blessing to God he reveals a fact that could have
only been known to him by Divine revelation; Daniel states of God that "he
changeth the times and the seasons". I believe that
your Bible study friends may have gotten their (miss-) interpretation of
the "seasons changing" from this Scripture. And after we view the
statement in context we shall supply additional Scripture documenting
the precise meaning of that which Daniel unwittingly revealed.
Daniel's statement is in bold
and underlined below:
Dan 2:17-24
17 Then Daniel went to his house, and made the thing known to
Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, his companions:
18 That they would desire mercies of the God of heaven
concerning this secret; that Daniel and his fellows should not
perish with the rest of the wise men of Babylon.
19 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision.
Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever
and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
21 And he changeth
the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and
setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge
to them that know understanding:
22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is
in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who
hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now
what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us
the king's matter.
24 Therefore Daniel went in unto Arioch, whom the king had
ordained to destroy the wise men of Babylon: he went and said
thus unto him; Destroy not the wise men of Babylon: bring me in
before the king, and I will shew unto the king the
interpretation. KJV
Before we go into the
meaning of the phrase, "changeth the times and the
seasons"—namely: change what times and what
seasons?—we should note that Daniel spoke of many things by Divine
revelation, things that he spoke of as being sure and true but that he
himself did not fully understand. For Daniel informs us that he himself
could not comprehend the deep meaning of the things which the Holy
Spirit had caused him to teach US through the Scriptures
recorded under his name in the Old Testament prophet's book of Daniel:
Dan 12:8-10
8 And I heard,
but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what
shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the
[interpretation of the]
words are closed up and sealedtill the time
of the end.
10 [And at that time (during the
endtimes)] Many shall be purified, and
made white, and tried [i.e.,
tested. Don't overlook that, Christian; we shall be
tested during the Tribulation (Rev 2:10, etc.)];
but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall
understand; but the wise shall understand. KJV
So, Daniel spoke of events that
were to transpire during the endtimes, a time that Jesus would later
identify as the "Great Tribulation" (Mat
24:21), and which God Himself described to Jeremiah as "the
time of Jacob's trouble" (Jer 30:7 [and to set the time, to
rightly divide as to time, see Vrs. 24]).
This all is another sure proof of
the Divine nature of the Bible and its prophetic contents, including
notably, the book of Revelation, the last book of the prophets. So
very often this is the case: the prophet (or apostle, etc.)
speaks and writes things which he does not, nor could he have possibly
known on his own—then these things come to pass. For instance, Jesus informs His disciples, one
of which wrote a Gospel (Matthew); and another who wrote a Gospel, three
Epistles, and the book of Revelation (John), and yet another who wrote two
Epistles (Peter), that it was not for them to understand certain things,
though we certainly see them writing of such matters in their written
works in the Bible:
Acts 1:1-9
1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus
began both to do and teach,
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the
Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had
chosen:
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many
infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of
the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they
should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the
Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with
the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying,
Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know
the times or the seasons,
which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon
you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all
Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was
taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. KJV
Jesus in His above oration
supplies to us the key to interpreting that which Daniel by revelation
spoke in a cipher. I refer to the "times and
the seasons" that God has put under His power to change.
In verse six above the disciples
ask Jesus, "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore
again the kingdom to Israel?" to which in the next verse He
answers "It is not for you to know the times or
the seasons"; thus illustrating that the "the
times or [and] the
seasons" are regarding the restoration of the "kingdom
to Israel".
What is meant by the restoration
of "the kingdom of Israel"? Today it
means the Second Advent, the end of this flesh realm, and going on into
the millennium (the 1000 years of Rev 20) and ultimately into the
eternal Heavenly kingdom.
But what the disciples did not
understand when they asked that question (and that which they perhaps
never fully understood until after Christ sent them the Holy Spirit to
teach and guide them as they set up Christianity) was
that the King was to be rejected and murdered, Jesus was to be crucified
and rejected by His own of the kingdom, and that the kingdom would no
more be of this flesh world. "Jesus
answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of
this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered
to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." (John
18:36). Therefore the kingdom was to be put in
abeyance (i.e., "not yet") and set for another day, and another way:
"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem,
coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her
husband." (Rev 21:2).
This is one of the problems in
trying to merge fellowship and doctrine between Jews and Christians.
The Judaics say (but those who understand the Talmud know
better) that they are waiting for the First Advent of Messiah
and they say that they rely on the Old Testament prophecies to not have
been in the least fulfilled. (Hebrews chapter eight describes the
change from the Old Covenant to the the New Covenant—this the Judaics
and Talmudists ought to look into if understanding and salvation are
their desire.)
Conversely, the
Christians know that the Messiah already came and was killed by the Jews
who still till this day reject Him, and they know that a great many of the Old
Testament prophecies have already been fulfilled in Jesus Christ
at His First Advent.
The Christians also have the benefit of God's further revelation—the New
Testament—which teaches them what is to transpire now that Messiah has
been murdered. The Jew's doctrine leaves them no thought on
Messiah being killed, though it is written in several places in the Old
Testament Hebrew Scriptures. But it is not in the Jewish Talmud,
which is Judaism's highest holy book according to leading rabbis,
contrary to popular misrepresentation. In fact—and get ready to be
floored—in the Talmud the Jews collectively themselves are
said to be the messiah, the messiah of Talmudic Judaism is not any Godly
Messiah spoken of in the Hebrew Scriptures of the Old Testament of God's
Bible. From Judaism's Talmud: “The
Messiah [is] without
metaphor, the Jewish people.” ― Jewish
Babylonian Talmud, Kethuboth, 111a. See the above at
footnote #4
on the facsimile of the actual Talmud page there, which reads
verbatim:
“[H]; 'but the more correct reading is [H] (Moore, G.F., Judaism II 361,
n. 2). [H] 'frequent in modern Christian books is fictitious' (loc.
cit.). The 'sufferings' or 'travail' are more fully described in Sanh.
97b, Sonc. ed. p. 654. These are the 'throes of mother Zion which is in
labor to bring forth the Messiah — without metaphor, the Jewish
people' (Moore, loc. cit. text).”[1]
Now perhaps it can be understood
why we get so upset here when we see Christians trying to fellowship in
a religious setting with Judaics (ecumenism). And also how that
the so-called religion of "Judeo-Christianity" is so impossible, a
virtual conflict of terms. Judaism and Christianity are as
different as night is from day. Moving on....
We have some work on the matter of
what changed when Christ was rejected and killed; which
admittedly, we have heard few if any Christian scholars advocate.
But that's okay, eventually they will have to come on-board. It's
just new, and Christian scholars don't like "new," unless it's errant
(like the Rapture theory, babbling in tongues, Mother Mary worship,
etc.). The teaching I speak of (which I touched upon in the
previous Q & A on this page [Question #2] regarding Zech 8:23) is
detailed at:
Simply stated, regarding the
apostle's/disciple's question as to the restoration of "the
kingdom of Israel", it refers to what we today would call "the
end." That is to say the end of the world as we now know it,
marked by the Second Advent. In the Old Testament times and even
in the time mentioned above when the apostles spoke of "the kingdom,"
they were still going by the Old Testament prophecies regarding the time
when God would restore His chosen people Israel to their former
greatness; restore their land to them from the Nile River to the
Euphrates River to the Mediterranean sea, to the entering in (the
border) of Hamath;
and He would enjoy their restored faith and obedience1;
all of which they lost when they fell through idolatry into captivity
and alienation from God. It is this that all the prophets of old
spoke of (in the Old Testament). However, the visions and
prophecies of the Old Testament was prerequisite on Israel accepting,
worshipping, and obeying the Messiah from God. For Messiah to lead
the people they must follow. This they did not do. Even
people of true Israel (and true Judah) in Christ's time allowed
themselves in Jerusalem to be deceived by the impostor Jews2,
and because of that, "But the chief priests and
elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and
destroy Jesus." (Matt 27:20) even true Israel and Judah peoples
shouted "crucify him, crucify him" (Luke
23:21), thus fulfilling the prophecy: "He came
unto his own, and his own received him not." (John 1:11 [the
fulfillment of Isa 53:3 and Psm 69:8]).
Footnotes from above paragraph
1
It will be noticed with even a cursory glance that none of these
thinks happened in or since May 14, 1948 when, as it is errantly
referred to as "Israel once again became a nation." Thus
proving that the "Israel" of today in Palestine is not of God and is
not the fulfillment of any prophecies regarding God's chosen people
Israel. Consider these facts regarding the modern day nation
state of so-called Israel:
the so-called
"Jews" that are there today are over 50% Atheist (i.e.,
"Secular Jews");
the nation
itself is a secular nation, not a religiously governed one, not
the theocracy (God-governed) that restored Israel was to be;
the land mass
in this impostor nation is a mere pittance compared to the vast
promised land that true Israel was to receive, and they losing
more ground as we speak, ready almost to give up Eastern
Jerusalem and the Temple Mount;
their enemies
are surrounding them from within and without. While on the
other hand, God had promised (true) Israel that their enemies
would be beaten down for them;
it is peopled
by false "Jews" (Khazars) who have a closer blood relationship
to Genghis Khan and Attila The Hun than to Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob;
and they are a
welfare state surviving only on American handouts and swindled
Reparation monies.
In short, what is there today masquerading as "Israel" is not the
fulfillment of any Old Testament Scripture regarding Israel or the
Israel people. The whole mess is one big lie, as are the
people there. The only place Jerusalem, Israel shall have in
prophecy is when the antichrist (satan) sits there showing himself
that he is God (2nd Thes 2:4, Rev 11:8, etc.). Thus we
will have an impostor state (Israel), with an impostor people
(Jews), hosting an impostor god (satan/antichrist).
2
The Pharisees, chief priests, and scribes, were in the main Kenites
(descendants of Cain whom God had cursed); and Herod, the "Jew's"
king, was an Idumean (of Esau, whom God hated). Thus, just as
at the First Advent, the people that most think today are "God's
chosen" are actually the descendants of those that are God's
enemies—the murderers of the prophets, the apostles, and most all,
the murderers of God (when He came in the flesh as Jesus Christ).
I refer to the fake Jews that Jesus warned His people of in Rev 2:9
and 3:9; "...them of the synagogue of Satan,
which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie...." (Rev
3:9), but His people reject the dire warnings today, to their own
eventual undoing.
I refer above to the so-called Judeo-Christians (an impossible term
and an even more impossible religion) and the Christian Zionists of
modern times. These are two Trojan Horses through which the
antichrists are sneaking into the heart of Christianity to neuter
and spoil it. The early Christians (and Bible-based Christians
today) know that the Jews are the great enemies of Christianity and
have sought to destroy the religion from the day they set their
hands to destroy its Leader, the Messiah Jesus Christ. Today,
Christians—most of them anyway—have allowed themselves to be seduced
into almost a form of worshipping the Jews. This is sin.
The Catholic Church, Pastor John Hagee and his apostate Evangelicals
(Christian Zionists), and whole swaths of various-denominations
Christian churches (Judeo-Christians) have betrayed Christ and would
have as their friend murderers; just like those in Christ's time who
condemned Jesus Christ and took unto themselves the murderer
Barabbas.
Getting back on topic...
So, we see that Jesus Divinely
interpreted Daniel's statement in Daniel 2:21: "And
he [God]
changeth the times and the seasons", to mean that God would
change "the times and seasons" of the times regarding restoring "again
the kingdom to Israel" as stated in Acts 1:6 which we covered earlier.
And that is to say that god would alter the prophetic time table in the
tribulation. In closing, Jesus informs us of this Divine
providence change on God's part. The change of the "times and
seasons" of Daniel's revelation are accomplished here:
Matt 24:3-22
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto
him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what
shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man
deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall
deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not
yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in
divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill
you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax
cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world
for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the
prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let
him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing
out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his
clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck
in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the
sabbath day:
21 For then shall be
great tribulation, such as was not since the
beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened
[i.e., changing the "time" and "season"],
there should no flesh be saved:
but for the elect's sake those days
shall be shortened.
KJV
Understanding this fact is
extremely important in any work regarding endtime timelines. In
fact, it is the very master key, without which no proper interpretation
of the book of Revelation is possible.
Well, I hope that I answered your
question. I ran-on a little longer than I wanted to, but I always
do that. :o)
Blessings
to your little home Bible study group, would to God that more
Christians got together to study God's Word instead of falling asleep in
church listening to some man's words which are not the same as what's
found in god's bible. But church is good and should be supported
both by attendance and offerings—if they teach
God's Word, that is. But as many of you know from your own
searches, it is night unto impossible to find a church nowadays that
actually agrees with the Bible in their teachings. And many of you
have experienced persecution and shunning from fellow Christians when
you insisted on upholding the Bible over the teachings of some preacher,
if the two should differ. These things are all prophesied marks of
the endtimes:
2 Tim 3:12-4:4
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus
shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse,
deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast
learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned
them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy
scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation
through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of
God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished
unto all good works.
4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ,
who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his
kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season,
out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and
doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure
sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the
truth, and shall be turned unto fables. KJV
How prophetic that Scripture is for TODAY!
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Eugenics, Euthanasia, and our
children's generation. Featuring the Yale University
"Abortion Artist"
A (male) reader writes:
Hey Nick,
I have a question for you regarding eugenics. I've seen Alex Jones'
film 'End Game: Blueprint for Global Enslavement' on your site
several times now.
I don't doubt the kenites secret plan with 'global environmentalism'
is not only to unite all peoples in the 'save the planet effort'--a
type for one worldism in itself, but also the darker agenda of
eugenics in the 3rd world etc.
My question is is there any other documentation besides Alex Jones
work (like another DVD or book on it or something) that shows
RECENTLY plans being implemented on eugenics in Africa and etc? I am
aware of Kissinger's statements on that he wants to reduce the
world's population 80-90%.
Also, I'm curious what your thoughts are on Alex Jones. He does
mention Rockefeller and Rothschild but never the role the ultra
wealthy International Judaics play in world affairs. Is he just
being wise by trying to appeal to the uneducated masses with
omitting that, or do you think he could be a plant?? Just curious.
Much of his stuff seems right on but there's that small percent that
I feel he's off on.
Thanks.
[Xxxxx]
Answer:
Hi [Xxxxxx]. The Eugenics Movement
got its start by
Margaret Sanger (1879-1966) who also advocated
sterilizing Blacks; and who along with her
Jewish friend, Emma Goldman, was an early proponent of
Abortion "rights." Abortion is a form of Eugenics. And it
is thence that Feminism sprung—the ultimate "empowered
woman." Both of the above two wretched women were 'founding
mothers' of Feminist ideology. The whole Women's
Movement is fraught with sin and debauchery, most
notably the Free Sex Movement of the 1960's, the
Abortion Movement of the 1970's, the Turn-Style
("no-fault") Divorce Movement of the 1980's, the
Lesbian/Homosexual "Gay-Adoption/Artificial Insemination"
Movement of the 1980's ff., the No-Marry/Single
Mother By Choice Movement of the 1990's, the Gay
Marriage/Civil Unions Movement of the 2000's, and
etc.
The secret design of all of these
above movements is the destruction of the Biblical
family model, and thus the destruction of every
generation of Christian youth after them. There is
nothing else, there is no other reason behind it. Hell
fell to earth in the 1960's, and it landed in America.
The last Christian generation has already been born;
what follows is Luciferian. We have birthed the
generation that shall worship satan/antichrist in the
thirteenth chapter of the book of Revelation and in 2nd
Thessalonians chapter two specifically, and spoken of by
Christ in the Gospels generally (Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark
13.). We allowed them to grow up godless in a
Judaic-controlled society stripped of God, Christ,
Christianity, and Bible—and void of moral absolutes
or even of the accepting of the concept of absolute
truth—and we shall quake in wonderment when they seek to
destroy us. We did not even see it when we were
allowing the endtime generation to rise-up against us
Christians and God and Christ. But what did we expect
when a child is from the womb turned against God,
Christ, and Christianity; and turned towards violent
virtual-slaughter video games, the normalization of
Homosexuality, and the total lack of anything like a
moral compass; and religious pluralism where everything
called a religion is equal and legitimate with
today's only God-approved religion—Christianity, and
where everything that is called a god is equal
with the One True God of the Christian Bible (both
Testaments)? Where did we think that our betrayers were
to come from? Who did we think would be the ones
turning us in to satan's endtime minions
for "conversion" to antichrist/satan?
Matthew
10:34-36
[Jesus speaking]
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against
his father, and the daughter against her mother, and
the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own
household. KJV
And satan is in each of those
aforementioned Judaic-founded/funded/controlled "Social
'Liberation' Movements." "Liberating" into what?
Misery and hell? The so-called "modern liberated
woman" of today cannot find her counterpart in the Bible
(except for in the worst of examples). But the modern
empowered woman of today cannot be bothered with God's
Bible nor burdened with Biblical gender roles—she's
being "all that she can be," and certainly "she's come a
long way," alright! The "glass ceiling" was really a
mirror, and she ain't gonna like what she sees in
herself when she crashes through to the other side. And
she is in great danger on Judgment Day. But I do not
judge. The Scriptures of Life judge the "modern
woman" and the wimp men that allowed them to become what
they are. For every whorish woman there is a guilty
wanton man who made them, for every abortion there is a
complacent male who allowed it, for every base woman
there is a enabling society, for every prostitute a male
customer. No one is innocent, we all have blood on our
hands. And it is men who, perhaps seeing their own
liberty and power in the below Scripture, that read
right over the responsibilities implied in it:
1
Corinthians 11:3
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the
head of Christ is God. KJV
Genesis
3:16
16 Unto the woman [Eve]
he [God]
said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire
shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
KJV
Well, God doesn't "read over"
responsibility. Men shall also be visited on Judgment Day with
the sins of whoredoms a many, adulteries, and abortions.
Remember Adam.
Genesis
3:17-19
17 And unto Adam he [God]
said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice
of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded
thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for
thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy
life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and
thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust
thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. KJV
1 Timothy
2:9-15
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest
apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided
hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good
works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority
over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was
in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they
continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
KJV
Moving on...
Eugenics is the
killing-off of "the less fit," or selective breeding by
destroying the "less desirable" before they can "stain the gene
pool" or burden the national coffers with their medical care or
incarceration. Hitler gets blamed for this, when it was really
Liberal International Jews who constructed the idea. When the
modern day dumbed-down (you-know-who-controlled "modern
education") person thinks of Eugenics they are trained to
think Nazis, never seeming to notice that in their
modern-day nation of America abortion is legal and government
financed (including Christian's tax monies!), and that on the
laid-back Liberal (Socialist) West Coast, like in Oregon for
instance, Euthanasia is legal! Hitler would blush at "Christian"
America's descent.
On a side note; consider
another pitiful product of the Judaic-controlled Liberal
universities: the below young Jewish feminist, Aliza Shvarts, and
her "Abortion Art:
For senior, abortion a medium for art, political discourse
by Martine Powers
Yale Daily News
April 17, 2008
Source
Art major
Aliza Shvarts '08 wants to make a statement.
Beginning
next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project,
a documentation of a nine-month process during which she
artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while
periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages
[abortions]. Her
exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced
miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from
the process.
The goal
in creating the art
exhibition, Shvarts said, was to spark conversation
and debate on the relationship between art and the human
body. But her project has already provoked more than just
debate, inciting, for instance, outcry at a forum for fellow
senior art majors held last week. And when told about Shvarts'
project, students on both ends of the abortion debate have
expressed shock — saying the project does everything from
violate moral code to trivialize abortion.
But Shvarts
insists her concept was not designed for "shock value."
"I hope it
inspires some sort of discourse," Shvarts said. "Sure, some
people will be upset with the message and will not agree with
it, but it's not the intention of the piece to scandalize
anyone."
The
"fabricators," or donors, of the sperm
[these men are partakers in the sin of Ms.
Shvarts' mass-murder] were not paid
for their services, but Shvarts required them to periodically
take tests for sexually transmitted diseases. She said she was
not concerned about any medical effects the forced miscarriages
may have had on her body. The abortifacient drugs she took
were legal and herbal, she said, and she did not feel the
need to consult a doctor about her repeated miscarriages.
Shvarts
declined to specify the number of sperm donors she used, as well
as the number of times she inseminated herself....
[continued at source:
http://yaledailynews.com/story.html] Story also
featured at:
Art student 'induced miscarriages for university project',
and,
Yale Art Major Aliza Shvarts Debuts Abortion Art Project,
and etc.]
Comment is
superfluous. Moving on...
Euthanasia is the
killing-off of the old and diseased, those that are deemed to "not have
a worthwhile existence," like that poor state-murdered (in a most cruel
and painful manner—dehydration)
Terry Shiavo—in
a Christian nation bearing "In God We trust" on their money, no
less! Later-on, Euthanasia shall include those "too expensive" for the
Judaic-underwritten insurance companies and hospitals to keep alive or
too allow to grow into adulthood (don't think that in-the-womb testing
is not for a reason!). And American Christians think that God smiles on
America! Hardly. Would you smile on a nation that has done all
the things in the above paragraphs?
And not trying to be a 'teaser' here,
but in my upcoming book I am devoting an entire section to the Eugenics
Movement. So I will stop here, as I would rather wait and present a
more complete picture.
As regarding Alex Jones: I do not
know him nor have I personally spoken to him; however, when I see
anyone speaking of the endtime conspiracies and NOT even mention
"the Jews," as those they do not even exist; then I know that I am
listening to a deceiver or a coward. Neither of which is appealing to
me. But I do check into Jones'
Website every so often, as he does have some good info sometimes.
You know: "Even a broken watch is correct twice each day." This would
also include Conservative commentators like Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh,
etc., and just about every Christian preacher that appears on
television or speaks from the pulpit nowadays. I wouldn't follow-a-one
of the aforementioned even to a free lunch, much less to enlightenment!
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First thank you for the site. It helped me in studying out a few
nuggets regarding the Greek preposition sun meaning 'with,
together' and seeing Scroggie's The Companion Bible was reassuring.
I really like the word 'watchmen.' We used to sing
a group song in college called "Watchmen of the Holy City" taken
from its roots in Isaiah and I happen to love it as a word.
However I gotta tell you though and I doubt I'm the
first but the name 'Watchmen' is among us Christian folk a sadly
tainted word unless heavily imbedded in context. It sticks out like
sore thumb as the first word of your site and group and reminds one
of the Jehovah False-Witnesses. I even thought to myself I'm
getting off this site its a JW propaganda site but told myself "Ah,
at least they are borrowing their info from The Companion Bible so
the info will be safe. I immediately thought the site was for
training JW's how to withstand the multitude of Greek arguments they
must get themselves into. Glad I stuck around and read the
Statement of Faith to learn different but most people and myself
included only stay on a site for a second or two if something looks
not to their liking. I'd advise losing the name Watchmen and not
risk losing another searcher for the wrong reasons.
When starting a church a while back I would've loved
to use the word 'Christian' in the name of the church but couldn't
because its tied for now with those in the Church of Christ and
teachings of baptismal regeneration among other things. I could've
just said, 'Oh well they'll figure it out.' A prudent man forsees
the evil and avoids it.
Sorry for the reprimand. I don't mean too! Really
just trying to help and well meaning brother.
Take care, [Xxxxxx]
Answer:
Hello pastor [Xxxxx]. You are not the first person
to mention this, and when I read your E-mail I was moved to make a
change on the title page so as to remove any confusion as to our mission
[Biblestudysite.com].
Thank you very much for the input, and I pray that you are blessed in
the Lord's Good Work. Below are the changes:
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The Strong Delusion
and Great Tribulation of the endtimes
A (female) reader writes:
Subject: Ekhart Tolle & Ophar Hi, My name is [xxxxxxx] and I got
your information and watched the video with Ophar & Erkhart
Tolle [re-supplied below]
I just need your thoughts on the scripture “I will send them
strong delusion” [2nd Thess 2:11]
and if this is the beginning of Strong Delusion. This has been
on my mind for quite some time and our wonderful God is showing
me that Christ is nowhere to be seen in all of this.
Regards
[Xxxxxx]
[The reader is
referring to the below video we featured in our New Materials
Section:]
"Church of Oprah" exposed as
New Age antichristian false doctrine
Video 6:54 Min.
long
Answer:
Hello
[Xxxxxx]. We have an expository study on the type of “doctrine” that Oprah
is helping to spread. It is called “New Age” doctrine but it isn't new.
It is a ‘resurrection’ of the old Jewish Gnostic
heresies. Observe the false doctrine exposed in this study and you will see
that it is nigh akin to Oprah’s sinful doctrine. Satan is behind them all.
See our: Anatomy of a False
Doctrine
And while I do feel there is more and more delusion in the Christian
world as the days run-up to the
Great Tribulation
(Mat 24:21 below), I do not feel that this "is the big one," so to speak.
The ultimate strong delusion
(see Scripture below) will be when satan sits as God (impersonating God) in
the (yet to be rebuilt) Jerusalem Temple, and the people worship him as
though he were God Himself.
2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of
our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him
[the 2nd Advent],
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be
troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as
that the day of Christ [the 2nd Advent]
is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that
day [the 2nd Advent] shall not
come, except [until after] there
come a falling away [apostasy
in the Greek] first, and that man of sin
be revealed, the son of perdition
[satan/antichrist];
4
[satan/antichrist] Who opposeth and exalteth himself
above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he
[satan/antichrist] as God
sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you,
I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might
be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:
only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the
Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with
the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the
working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders
[see Rev 13:13-15 for these false
'miracles],
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness
in them that perish; because they received not
the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God
shall send them
strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be
damned who believed not the truth,
but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we
[Christians] are bound to give
thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God
hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification
of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel
[the Holy Bible, God's written Word],
to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the
traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle
[the Holy Bible, God's written Word].
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God,
even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting
consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every
good word and work. KJV
Revelation 13:2-6
2 And the beast
[the first (of two) beasts, the
"New World Order"]
which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the
feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the
dragon
[the second beast,
satan/antichrist]
gave him
[the first beast]
his
[it's]
power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were
wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and
all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the
dragon
[satan/antichrist] which gave power unto the
beast [the "New World
Order"]: and they worshipped the beast,
saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with
him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth
speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto
him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy
against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them
that dwell in heaven. KJV
Jesus warned us Christians of that above deception of satan and the
difficult endtimes to come:
Matthew 24:8-25
[Jesus speaking]
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and
shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for
a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth,
let him understand:) [this is a
direct correlation to 2nd Thes 2:4 above]
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out
of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his
clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in
those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the
sabbath day:
21 For then shall be
great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the
world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be
saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there;
believe it not.
24 For [because of the
fact that] there shall arise false Christs,
and false prophets, and
[they] shall shew great
signs and wonders [*today's
endtime Christian must be prepared to resist this coming endtime
deception!]; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall
deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before. KJV
Shortly after that, Jesus returns to claim His believers (1st Thess
4:17), and with His host of Heaven army deposits this satan/antichrist into
the pit and makes a short work of destroying evil off of the earth. Below
IS the Second Advent of Jesus Christ:
Revelation 19:11-20:3
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white
horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in
righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his
head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but
he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in
blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed
him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that
with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod
of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of
Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a
name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he
cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst
of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the
great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the
flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses,
and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and
bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the
earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that
sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him
the false prophet that wrought miracles before him
[*today's endtime Christian must be prepared to resist this coming
endtime deception!], with which he deceived them
that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his
image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with
brimstone.
21 And the remnant
[all the rest on the earth]
were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the
horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were
filled with their flesh.
20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven,
having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old
serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up,
and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more,
till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be
loosed a little season. KJV
That is how "the world" shall see the Second Advent; below is another
look at the Second Advent of Jesus Christ from a Christian's
perspective. Here is how the Second Advent shall be for
the faithful Christians who made it through the Tribulation
without taking the mark of the beast thereby not
betraying Jesus Christ. Below are the faithful at Christ's second
(and only remaining) coming:
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning
them which are asleep [deceased],
that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope
[the unbelievers].
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again
[and we do], even so
them also which sleep [die]
in [faith in]
Jesus will God bring with him
[with Jesus].
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord
[this phrase means that it is a prophetic
utterance—from God Himself], that we
which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord
[those endtime Christians who are living on the earth
at the moment of the Second Advent]
shall not prevent [precede]
them which are asleep
[them which are already dead from times past].
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with
the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead
in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain
[endtime Christians who weathered the Tribulation and
remained faithful] shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever[forever]
be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. KJV
I hope to see
every one of you there!
Oprah Winfrey is a non-Christian
worldly fraud, in whom satan has found fertile ground to rise up another
of the many coming endtime deceivers. And so very many
women today—who hang on Oprah's every word—shall follow her into
hell if they aren't careful. Oprah is hardly a suitable venue for
religious truth. Her program is one long line of guests who are
hell-bound unbelievers, New Agers, "self-help" gurus,
and spiritists, leading today's rudder-less women into
perdition. And most of today's "modern liberated" bloody women
(abortionists to the one, almost), which make up the bulk of Oprah'ites,
have cast aside the Bible as God's immutable truth and are deservedly
being turned to lies:
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall
consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall
destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all
power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that
perish; because they received not the love of the truth
[contained nowhere else but in God's
Bible], that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong
delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not
the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. KJV
All
sins today are forgivable by
repenting to God in Jesus Christ's name. No repentance = no
forgiveness. No belief in Jesus = no forgiveness. No forgiveness =
no eternal life in Heaven with God.
Luke 13:1-9
1 There were present at that season some that told him of the
Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their
sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answering said unto them,
Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the
Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall
all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and
slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that
dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall
all likewise perish.
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree
planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon,
and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these
three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find
none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year
also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou
shalt cut it down. KJV
What is this parable?
And what is this "fruit" that is spoken of? Let us learn from
the mouth of the Master Himself as He instructs the early Christians
(in this case the disciples, and later—us):
John 15: 1-27
[Jesus speaking]
1 I [Jesus]
am the true vine, and my Father [Almighty
God] is the husbandman
[Farmer, Owner of the field].
2 Every [both then and now;
i.e., this pertains to Christians of all times,
and not just the Twelve Disciples]
branch [person]
in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every
branch [person]
that beareth fruit, he [God]
purgeth it, that it may bring forth more
fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto
you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of
itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye
abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that
abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:
for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is
withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and
they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words
abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done
unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so
shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye
in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in
my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide
in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain
in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have
loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his
life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do
whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth
not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends;
for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known
unto you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,
and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and
that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of
the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it
hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but
because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of
the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not
greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me
[they did--they murdered Him on a cross],
they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying
[they didn't], they
will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's
sake, because they know not him [Almighty
God] that sent me
[Messiah Jesus Christ].
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them
[but He did], they
had not had sin: but now [since Messiah
did come] they have no cloke for
their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also
[This includes every Jew, Muslim, Atheist,
etc.].
24 If I had not done among them the works which
none other man did [but He did],
they had not had sin: but now [since
Messiah did do those things] have
they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled
that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause
[fulfilling Old Testament Psalms 35:19 &
69:4].
26 But when the Comforter [the Holy
Spirit which is in all true Christians today; see John 14:16]
is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the
Spirit of truth [the Holy Spirit of
God; see John 14:17], which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me
from the beginning. KJV
Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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Subject: RE: Internet
content-blockers and filters (censors) blocking out Websites
Scary shit.... Aside from that...Google IS the Big Brother of
the future, no question it's going to totally screw us over one day,
George Orwell-style....The sad thing is I still use it.....A LOT...
1. Google's immortal cookie: Google was
the first search engine to use a cookie that expires in 2038.
This was at a time when federal websites were prohibited from
using persistent cookies altogether. Now it's years later, and
immortal cookies are commonplace among search engines; Google
set the standard because no one bothered to challenge them.
This cookie places a unique ID number on your hard disk. Anytime
you land on a Google page,
you get a Google cookie
if you don't already have one. If you have one, they read and
record your unique ID number.
2. Google records everything they can:
For all searches they
record the cookie ID, your Internet IP address, the time and
date, your search terms, and your browser configuration.
Increasingly, Google
is customizing results based on your IP number. This
is referred to in the industry as "IP delivery based on
geolocation."
3. Google retains all data
indefinitely: Google has no data retention policies.
There is evidence that they are able to easily access all the
user information they collect and save.
4. Google won't say why they need this data:
Inquiries to Google about their privacy policies are
ignored. When the New York Times (2002-11-28) asked Sergey Brin
about whether Google ever gets subpoenaed for this information,
he had no comment.
5. Google hires spooks: Matt Cutts, a key
Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency.
Google wants to hire more people with security clearances, so
that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in
Washington.
6. Google's toolbar is spyware: With the
advanced features enabled, Google's free toolbar
for Explorer phones home with every page you surf, and yes, it
reads your cookie too. Their privacy policy confesses
this, but that's only because Alexa lost a class-action lawsuit
when their toolbar did the same thing, and their privacy policy
failed to explain this. Worse yet, Google's toolbar updates to
new versions quietly, and without asking. This means that if you
have the toolbar installed, Google essentially has complete
access to your hard disk every time you connect to Google (which
is many times a day). Most software vendors, and even
Microsoft, ask if you'd like an updated version. But not Google.
Any software that updates automatically presents a massive
security risk.
7. Google's cache copy is illegal:
Judging from Ninth Circuit precedent on the application of U.S.
copyright laws to the Internet, Google's cache copy appears to
be illegal. The only way a webmaster can avoid having his site
cached on Google is to put a "noarchive" meta in the header of
every page on his site. Surfers like the cache, but webmasters
don't. Many webmasters have deleted questionable material from
their sites, only to discover later that the problem pages live
merrily on in Google's cache. The cache copy should be "opt-in"
for webmasters, not "opt-out."
8. Google is not your friend: By now
Google enjoys a 75 percent monopoly for all external referrals
to most websites. Webmasters cannot avoid seeking Google's
approval these days, assuming they want to increase traffic to
their site. If they try to take advantage of some of the known
weaknesses in Google's semi-secret algorithms, they may
find themselves
penalized by Google, and their traffic disappears.
There are no detailed, published standards issued by Google, and
there is no appeal process for penalized sites. Google is
completely unaccountable. Most of the time Google doesn't even
answer email from webmasters.
9. Google is a privacy time bomb: With
200 million searches per day, most from outside the U.S., Google
amounts to a privacy disaster waiting to happen. Those
newly-commissioned data-mining bureaucrats in Washington can
only dream about the sort of slick efficiency that Google has
already achieved.
Answer:
Thank you so much, definitely need-to-know material!
All the more fearsome is the fact that Google was founded by
two well-financed Judaics, one of which formerly ran a soft-porn Website
before making it big with Google.
To say that the International
Judaics have access to our most private and personal data is to state
the obvious. And the potential is definitely there for the Int. Judaics
to plant files (evidence) on anyone's hard drive and then secretly pass
it on to whatever authorities would be interested in prosecution.
Perhaps endtime Christians will be set-up in this manner for arrest and
removal to dissident "reeducation" camps? About two years ago
there was a rash of Nationalists (Whites who defend what they see as
'traditional America') being arrested for possessing "kiddy-porn" on
their computers.
Now, maybe these three or four
popular & vocal Anti-Jewish writers were really pedophile scumbags,
maybe pedophilia is a symptom of "AntiSemitism," or perhaps they were
just messing with the wrong Judaics. Who knows? But when
Judaic-run Google, which is being allowed by U.S.
Law Enforcement Agencies to wantonly violate privacy laws and
Constitutional protections against illegal search & seizure, can access
your hard drive and automatically download information, update, delete,
and insert files onto your computer without permission or even their
acknowledgement, what's to stop them from downloading something illegal
or immoral onto your hard drive? In the case of the Nationalists
the end result is that they have been ostracized from popular
Nationalist Movements and their once valuable and insightful writings
are no longer referenced by other Nationalist luminaries for reasons
which are obvious. This also dealt a blow to Nationalist and
Constitutionalist anti-Martial Law groups.
Do me a favor if you will; since
your son is working on his Master's Degree in Information Technology he
surely is qualified to answer the following: Please ask your son
if it is possible for Google with existing technology and the
programs that they are currently running to insert a file containing
objectionable and illegal data onto a persons computer which that person
has absolutely no knowledge of?
Naturally I will not be using his (or your) name
or other personal identifiers.
Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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The reader
replies:
Subject: Copy of the email I
received from my son on Google et all.
"Hi Dad. Yes of course it is possible for Google, or anyone
on the web for that matter, to plant files on your harddrive.
Think of all the spyware that's on the net. Norton just gave me
a notice that it has protected me against some 70.000
viruses/spyware/malware over the past three (!) months.
Spyware for instance, are executables (the worst
kind) that run in the background without me knowing and report
my (internet) behaviour to companies who somehow benefit from
this information. If it is possible, behind my back, to download
and install an executable then of course this will be possible
to do with other file formats, including pictures and what not.
Since Google would know your IP-address and since Google has (or
can at least hire) very knowledgeable employees, they could also
easily do a targeted attack...but this is just ordinary hacking.
This is all possible. In the end it is just a computer.
But there are laws, for which you would have to
find a law-student to explain, that prohibit this from
happening. For all I know there's little you can do to prevent
these things from happening. For the virus/spyware/malware
problem you of course need the latest scanners.
You can also download programs ... which
actually monitor every form of communication between your
computer and the net via HTTP and keep track of the file formats
that "enter" your computer. But, HTTP is just one of many
protocols that can be used on the net.
If you are the victim of a targeted attack
you're doomed and the only way to keep this from happening is to
simply stay off the internet."
What did Christ mean when He said, "Is
it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?", in John
10:34)?
A reader writes:
Hi, Nick!
Thanks for the letter and I hope your shoulder is healing up well!
I know how busy you get and I hope I'm not being a nuisance to you
right now, but I was hoping you could give me your input on a
particular subject that I just recently came across in my studies.
Your opinion means a GREAT DEAL to me as you have been a major
source of information for me in all my studies and you’ve helped me
out tremendously in the past with questions that I didn’t have
answers for.
You may already have an answer for this question
already posted, but if you do, I haven't been able to find it yet.
Why is the entire first chapter of Genesis in dealing
with the 6-day creation referring only to "God", or "Elohim" in the
Hebrew, which is a plural meaning for God and the angels or gods,
and the second chapter of Genesis is the first time the "Lord God"
is used in the singular form of the Hebrew "Yehovah" being our
emphatic Lord, Father and Creator??
Are the original manuscripts implying that God used
His angels as “workers” for the 6-day creation (similar to an
engineer who would use contractors for a construction project) or do
I just not comprehend it correctly? Is that why Genesis 1:26 says
“Let Us make man in Our image”? I guess this same concept
might apply with Psalm 82:1, where it states that “God standeth in
the congregation of the mighty and He judgeth among the gods”.
Am I right in assuming that God judges among His highest ranking
angels? (I also noticed that God uses the plural when He scattered
the people’s language in Genesis 11:7.) If this idea applies then
it seems to somewhat connect with what many different ancient
civilization texts imply about immortal beings (fallen angels) who
were responsible for the development of life on earth (even though
these are mythological beliefs).
I’m also aware that the new age movement is trying to
use the Genesis scripture to support their beliefs that “aliens”
(fallen angels) created mankind and that they will return to us in
the future probably bringing about the false messiah.
I would very much appreciate your input on this
subject because I know God can do ALL things on His own, but I’d
like to know if it’s possible that He chose to use “workers” in His
creation………………. Otherwise, if there is another explanation for this,
I would sure like to learn it.
Thanks for everything you’ve been doing!
Your student and friend,
[Xxxxxxxxx]
Answer:
Hello [Xxxxx]. Thank you for the kind words. I
agree with your assessment of the situation. And this would also
explain the curious statement below by Christ:
John 10:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I
said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto
whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into
the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of
God? KJV
Christ was
quoting
from the Old Testament:
Psalms 82:6-7
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of
you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
KJV
Exodus 22:28
28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy
people. KJV
I say "referring to" because the Psalms Scripture
which He quotedis not in the Law, nor in the
Prophets, but in the Psalms (three divisions of the Old
Testament books). The book of Exodus is in the Law section of the Old
Testament. The Psalms statement can also be referenced in the
below Scripture from the Law (first 5 books of Moses), where the Hebrew
'elohiym is translated in the KJV as judges:
Exodus 22:9
9 For all manner of trespass, whether it be for ox, for ass, for
sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing, which another
challengeth to be his, the cause of both parties shall come before
the judges
[#430 'elohiym]; and whom the judges
[#430 'elohiym] shall condemn,
he shall pay double unto his neighbour. KJV
Thus, when God stated in the Psalms, "I
have said, Ye are gods," He was perfectly
accurate by using the past tense (I have
[before, already] said), because where He
did refer to them as "gods" was in one of the 5 books of the Law,
Exodus, which happened and was written before Psalms. And
Christ was accurate in adding the further information, "Is
it not written in your
law, I said,
Ye are gods?" You might easily take this to mean that Christ, as
God in the flesh, was repeating what He had said in Psalms where He was
referring to Exodus.
Also, Paul understood that 'elohiym in
the Old Testament SOMETIMES refers to men of greater power or
to exalted ones:
Acts 23:4-5
4 And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest?
5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest:
for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler
of thy people. KJV
Paul was referring to:
Exodus 22:28
28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the
ruler of thy people. KJV
I think that you did a good job of
interpretation. I like how you carefully chose your words, for it is
very easy to be misunderstood when discussing these matters. And I
was glad to see that you mentioned the danger of misinterpreting
this; for, the New Agers will think themselves to be "gods."
But we are not gods in the modern sense
of the term; we are always to be sons, even in the eternity we
are still "just" sons (both males and females; for there is no
separate female form to an angel, angels are both in the same form,
male, as are God and Jesus, and every angel in the Bible):
Revelation 21:1-7
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and
the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God
out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold,
the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with
them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be
with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall
be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be
any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things
new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and
faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the
beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the
fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be
his God, and he shall be my son. KJV
And in the above where I stated, "for there is no separate female
form to an angel, angels are both in the same form, male, as is
God and Jesus, and every angel in the Bible," that means that the souls
of the human women shall be in Heaven in a "male-type" spiritual
body. This explains more in depth Christ's words in the below which I
have highlighted:
Matthew 22:23-33
23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is
no resurrection, and asked him,
24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his
brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had
married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto
his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the
seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing
the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry
[males], nor are given in marriage
[females],
but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read
that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of
Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
33 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his
doctrine. KJV
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Chronology, the book of Revelation, and resurrection
A reader writes:
Subject: in regards to Rev
20:4
okay okay the souls of those beheaded and the
souls who did not accept the mark will reign with Christ
the Thousand years. So souls must mean we have been
changed into our glorious bodies. Right??? So where is it we
will reign with Christ.
From what I have read Jesus will not return
immediately because after the trumpet that is when satan is
kicked out and the beast system is up and then the worship
of his statue and the mark is giving to all those whom
worship the beast.
Then in Rev 14 the Lamb was standing on
Mount Zion.
You know what now I see where Pastor Arnold
is getting the teaching because if we are reigning with
Christ per Rev 20:4 for the thousand years then he is taking
Ezekiel and stating that we will be helping our loved ones
because we will be in the presence of God and Christ for the
thousand years.
Answer:
Hello [Xxxxxx]:
May I just answer with statements as to what I see as
your questions to be?
Satan is kicked out of Heaven in the Fifth Trump (Rev
9:1), and is spoken of in (Rev 12:9).
As to "glorious bodies:" We all have within us our
spiritual "body," it is our soul. Strictly speaking, we do not have
a soul, we are a soul. We are currently
in this flesh body which is limited in abilities, knowledge, and
etc. The moment that we die, this spiritual body; i.e.,
our soul, or "us" if you like, is released from this human vessel. At
that moment we are in the spiritual realm where God and the angels
are. Do not confuse "glorious bodies," as you refer to them as,
or resurrected bodies, or spiritual bodies--whatever name you would call
them—as being overcommers, saved eternally, Heaven-bound, or whatever
other term you would like to use for those live forever with God.
Some of us (souls) are resurrected to eternal
life, but so also are some others resurrected simply to be sent to the
Lake of Fire for eternal destruction.
Daniel 11:45
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting
contempt. KJV
So, contrary to the confusion taught in the
churches, "resurrecting" is not always in a good sense. Our life
on this Earth is simply and only to determine if God is going to take us
into the eternity with Him, or terminate us forever. That is the great
controversy, that is why you are alive today--to make a choice. God
sent us a book that tells us how to make the correct choices, it's
called the Holy Bible.
And contrary to more confused church doctrine,
"hell" is not the final destination of the damned; for even hell itself
is cast into the Lake of Fire. Therefore hell cannot be "the
end." It is the Lake of Fire that is the final destination of those who
do not overcome. Observe:
Revelation 20:12-15
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the
books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of
life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were
written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell
delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every
man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This
is the second
death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
was cast into the lake of fire. KJV
Revelation 21:7-8
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his
God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and
murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all
liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with
fire and brimstone: which is the
second death.
KJV
What else? Oh, Revelation 14 is in Heaven,
not on the earth. See verse 3 below. These 144,000 are the
martyrs who were killed. In Revelation chapter seven they are alive on
Earth, but in chapter fourteen they are in Heaven, and Christ doesn't
arrive on Earth for His Second Advent until chapter nineteen. Ergo,
they died; they were "redeemed from the
Earth" through death. Observe:
Revelation 14:1-3
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with
him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name
written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the
voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I
heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne,
and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn
that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were
redeemed from[apo,
Grk. #575] the earth.
KJV
from:
Greek word #575
apo
(apo'); a primary particle; "off," i.e.
away (from something near), in various senses
(of place, time, or relation; literal or figurative):
KJV - (X here-) after, ago, at, because of, before,
by (the space of), for (-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-) on
(-ce), since, with. In composition (as a prefix) it usually
denotes separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal,
etc.
And I am sure that you know that the book of
Revelation is not in one big chronological order, and that subjects are
carried through to the end, then the timeline goes back and other
subjects are picked-up and carried forward, etc. There are
also parenthetical chapters that break from the chronology; your chapter
twelve is one such parenthetical chapter. And chapter eleven happens
chronologically in the midst of chapter thirteen. Etc. One day I am
going to prepare a chart with the chronological order of the book of
Revelation, perhaps I'll put it in my upcoming book.
Concentration on the subject, and strict
adherence to "rightly dividing" according to time
and/or chronology is the only way that study
of the book of Revelation will be fruitful or even sense-making.
I hope that you find this useful in your
studies.
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The reader replies:
Thank You for your prompt reply.
I said that Rev 9:1, so is rev 9:1 going
with rev 12:7?
Then what about rev 20:4 these are
overcomers in this part right here so where will this reign
be? Is it in earth or in heaven? The glorious and spiritual
bodies you spoke about I am glad you put that in there.
Pastor Arnold explains that also but I can never get it
understand it when he says it.
So I will go back over it and study that so
that I have a full understanding according to the Word.
Also how does one know when its breaking off
in Revelation?
Thank You for your service
Answer:
Hi again. You asked:
"I said that Rev 9:1, so is rev 9:1 going
with rev 12:7?"
Yes, you are correct. Rev 9 is the view of
this event from Earth, and Rev 12 is the view of it from Heaven.
Observe:
Revelation 9:1-3
9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star
[satan/antichrist] fall from heaven
unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless
pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out
of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the
air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts
[fallen angels] upon the earth: and
unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have
power. KJV
Revelation 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought
against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in
heaven.
9 And the great dragon [satan/antichrist]
was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth,
and his angels [the locusts]
were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come
salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the
power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast
down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the
word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the
death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil
is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth
that he hath but a
short time. KJV
The thousand-year reign in Rev 20 shall be on
this earth, as shall the eternity of Rev 21. Everything happens
here. But this world will be transformed at that time. Little is
written to describe the exact nature of this transformation (but see
2nd Pet 3:10-12 below). Perhaps we aren't to know. Not to confuse
matters, but may I also point out that Heaven is not a place,
it is time.
Observe:
Revelation 21:1-2
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and
there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming
down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride
adorned for her husband. KJV
2 Peter 3:5-13
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of
God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the
water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was,
[1st earth Age] being
overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now
[2nd earth Age], by the
same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day
of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day
is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as
one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing
that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and
the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and
the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what
manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and
godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the
elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new
earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
[3rd earth Age] KJV
Revelation 21:1-2
21 And I saw a
new heaven and a new
earth:
[3rd earth Age] for the first heaven and the first
earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem,
coming down from God out of heaven, prepared
as a bride adorned for her husband. KJV
And not to be rude or
anything, but I have to get to other duties and it may take some
time for me to respond. Please understand.
Have you seen our below studies in the
below order—they may answer many of the questions that you
are having.
A Gay reader tries to justify Homosexuality
with Homosexual "love"
A (Gay male) reader writes:
Saw your email on a Christian site that talked
against homosexuality, so just wondered if you knew where there was
anything against same sex romantic love as I can't find anything on
this in my bible.
[xxxxxx]
Answer:
Hello [Xxxxxx]. There is no such thing as
"same-sex romantic love." There is only lust and confusion. You know
yourself that fidelity in the Homosexual community is practically nil, more
so on the male's side. The Homosexual and Lesbian sex act is nothing more
than purposely self-defiling Sadomasochism, not love. The "love" felt
is the longing for acceptance of a father-figure, or the resentment of being
abused/neglected/rejected by a father-figure. These people are spiritually
and emotionally disturbed, they are not in love. And up until the
early 1970's, before the Judaics got in there and corrupted the science,
Homosexuality was listed as a mental illness by the Psychiatric Association.
The sin of Homosexuality is not
in any of our "modern terms," it is in the sexual act itself. Below is
the definition of the sin, and that which all shall have to answer for on
Judgment Day:
Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
their blood shall be upon them. KJV
Consult also:
Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is
abomination. KJV
Leviticus 18:22-25
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is
abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith:
neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is
confusion.
24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the
nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof
upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. KJV
Deuteronomy 23:17
17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of
the sons of Israel. KJV
And the Bible also
identifies the Lesbian act as a sin as well, lest any female thinks that her
"little petting" is without sin:
Romans 1:21-28
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their
foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made
like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and
creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts
of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
for even their women
did change the natural use into that which is against nature
[Lesbianism]:
27 And likewise also the men,
leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men working that which is unseemly
[Homosexuality], and receiving in
themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God
gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not
convenient; KJV
The only organizations
that have had any success in getting people out of the spiritually corrosive
Gay/Lesbian lifestyle are Christian groups, and that is because God helps
them there. See our
article for some
links to some of these Christian groups.
Homosexuality is a vice,
just like alcoholism, drug addiction, or whatnot, but it is more in the
emotional realm, whereas the aforementioned are in the physical realm.
But the vice can be put down. Nobody was "born Gay," they were "made"
(tuned into) Gays by physical and/or emotional trauma.
(And the cross-gender
hormone dosing from plastics and fertilizers is not helping the matter,
either. There is an environmental reason that male sperm counts are
way down for the last twenty to thirty years, males are more docile, females
more aggressive; and that females today are beginning menstruation as young
as eight to ten years old. This is the result of the inadvertent
introduction of feminizing hormones into male and female children. And
this was not so accidental as you may think.)
Also, thanks to the
Liberal (Socialist) Judaics' Homosexualization campaigns, our children are
being exposed to Homosexual indoctrination at very early ages in school
"Sex-Ed" classes, where they are being enticed at a very confusing time in
their lives into "trying" Gay sex as an "accepted alternative."
Children as young as 12-13 years old are being told by trusted school staff
in Sex-Ed classes that they "don't know if they are Gay" until they "try
it." They then have the problem of identifying their first
enjoyable sexual experience with a same-sex encounter, this does not easily
leave their subconscious.
You have heard of the
college term "GUG?" It is used primarily for females and means Gay
Until Graduation. These young women weren't born Gay, they aren't
Gay, they were just being a different level of whore. And they go on
to marry men and have children (whom they raise to have the same moral
deficit that they have). They were enticed and indoctrinated by the
you-know-whos in the corrupt Judaic-controlled education system and media
empire of this corrupt nation. Europe is no better.
Everywhere that you find
Christians you shall find the International Judaics corrupting their morals.
Behind every depravity you find a Judaic championing the movement.
Facts are facts; look into it: Feminism, the Homosexuality Movement, the
1960's Free-Sex Movement, Pedophilia legalization efforts, Abortion
"rights," revolving-door "no fault" Divorce, Pornography, etc., ad
nauseam—all founded by and top-heavy with Judaics. Coincidence?
Hardly, the Judaics only make up 0.02 percent of the global population, yet
they control everything. You want the odds on that? Try winning
the State Lottery every day for a year. In other words, it is
impossible that it happened by chance.
No, "you" weren't born
Gay, "you" had a whole lot of help.
Prayer to God in Jesus
Christ's name can cure" that ill. Trust Him.
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The reader replies:
[WBSG Note: the reader has sent in several E-mails after the
above, trying to say that a Homosexual "romantic relationship," presumably
with loving affection, is not the same as the Homosexuality condemned and
forbidden in God's Bible. Below is the reader's most recent E-mail on
the subject.]
The reader writes:
I take it you never did find where same sex romantic
love is listed as a
sin then. I guess homophobia is all about hate and confusion then.
[Xxxxxxx]
Answer:
No [Xxxxxx], you are wrong. And you are just trying
to justify your sinning by playing word games with "Gay sex" verses "Gay
love." Delude yourself all you want, you still can't turn sin into
righteousness, no matter how much you sugar coat it.
However, and ironically, in this corrupt endtime
society it is you, the Sodomite, who is the 'good guy;' and it is me,
the Christian, who is the 'bad guy.' Soon they will be rounding-up
people like me and imprisoning them for "hate speech." And you will be
the cool, hip, with-it, tolerant, diverse, blah, blah, blah, character.
It's your world, fashion it as you will. I'm
only living in it. And when the Lord Jesus Christ returns He shall
destroy all that offends.
Pray to God in Jesus' name to be released from
your sinful addiction. It is the only way. And furthermore, if you
didn't know deep inside that it is wrong, you wouldn't be worried about
it. It's called a conscience, and God gave it to you. It's wrong, and
you darn well know it.
Now, I'm not judging you, but I simply refuse to
lie to you to be your friend. I actually feel sorry for you, I know
that it must be very difficult to be in your situation. I couldn't
handle it. But if it were me, I wouldn't be trying to find "loopholes"
in God's Law, I would be praying that He cleanse me of all impulses and
desires which He finds offensive. And that He turns me toward
natural affections and away from unnatural affections.
You, and so many like you are the sad result of
this endtime satanic-controlled world. We as a society have basically
rejected God and Christ, and in the below Scripture is the world that we
received for our turning away from the Lord. I could tell you who
has ruined this world for satan, but then you'd just call me a
so-called "AntiSemite." Also in the below you may find your prohibition
against Homosexual "love." Below is why you are Gay; and in
the preceding I have told you how to correct it:
Romans 1:18-32
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in
unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for
God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world
are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and
their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made
like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and
creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their
own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and
served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
for even their women did change the natural use into that which is
against nature: [Lesbianism]
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the
woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working
that which is unseemly,
[Homosexuality] and receiving in themselves that recompence
of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,
God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are
not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,
covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit,
malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors
of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural
affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such
things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure
in them that do them. KJV
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The reader replies:
Sorry the Bible says you are wrong, not me. I think
your argument is
becomming with God now, not me. Im a Christian anyway so Im saved. I
rest
in that. I can see you don't because A you STILL have not found me a
scripture against same sex romantic love so condemn it anyway, you
can
sugar coat a form of hate all you like but it will still be a form
of hate.
Im saying this AS YOUR friend now. I won't lie. Gosh, Imagine I
wanted to
say cats are wrong as there is no Bible text to mention cats or
pets.
Imagine then if I said on the basis of a silence that anyone who had
a cat
was evil. How daft does that sound?! And yet you are doing the very
same
thing, you can't see where love is condemned for anyone but assume
it is
for same sex couples anyway. Is that a fair and Christian thing to
do do
you think?
[xxxxx]
Answer:
Hello. Perhaps I do not understand what you are
trying to say. Please explain to me clearly what you mean by
"same sex romantic love." Is this "same sex romantic love" sexless? Or
do you mean that as long as a Gay couple are in romantic love that they
are not violating the Homosexuality restrictions in the Bible, and that
therefore their same-sex sexual relations are not a sin according to the
Bible? Please be blunt and clear. Thank you.
Peace to
you in Christ Jesus.
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The reader replies:
Here are the definitions most agree with.
HOMOSEXUALITY; Is just one with just same sex attractions, its not a
sex
act term.
SAME SEX LUST; Is same as straight lust, a fast burst of sexual
energy, it
doesn't last.
SAME SEX ACTS; Is the real and proper term for gay sex or homosexual
acts
wich are not proper terms.
SAME SEX ROMANBTIC LOVE; Is then the same as opposite sex romantic
love, 2
people meet, fall in love, hold hands or/and kiss, write love poems
or
songs etc, they may get a blessing (marriage) and then share a home
and
MAYBE make love in a
committed lifelong, monogomus and commited
relationship till death.
So...does the Bible condemn same sex romantic love in this then?
[Xxxxxxx]
Answer:
Hello; yes, it is absolutely condemned in the Bible for
people of the same sex to "make love." By warrant of:
Leviticus 20:7-16
7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the Lord your
God.
8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the Lord which
sanctify you.
9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely
put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall
be upon him.
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even
he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and
the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his
father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their
blood shall be upon them.
12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely
be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon
them.
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
their blood shall be upon them.
14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall
be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among
you.
15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and
ye shall slay the beast.
16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou
shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death;
their blood shall be upon them. KJV
You are trying to make verse 13 above to
read: "except if they are in romantic love, then it is okay."
You just can't do that, you can't add your own conditions to the Scriptures.
You are only fooling yourself. What you are doing is that you are
trying to justify your Gay sex with your Gay emotional feelings. That
is like taking verse 10 above, which deals with adultery, and adding to the
Scriptures: "unless the adulterers love each other, then it is okay."
That doesn't work, does it? Can't
you see what you are doing? You are trying to separate yourself, who
is most likely in a monogamous Gay relationship, from the Gays that cruise
the boy bars each night for new "lovers." It dosn't matter, at the end
of the day both you and the cruisers violate the commandment: "If
a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their
blood shall be upon them." (Lev 20:13). And there is no getting
around that.
See also:
Genesis 19:5
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which
came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may
know them [sodomy].
KJV
Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is
abomination. KJV
Deuteronomy 23:17
17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a
sodomite of the sons of Israel. KJV
Judges 19:22
22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the
city, certain sons of Belial [evil],
beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the
master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came
into thine house, that we may know him
[sodomy]. KJV
Romans 1:26-27
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their
women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which
is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error
which was meet. KJV
1 Corinthians 6:9
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators
[male homosexual prostitute (see below for definition)],
nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate
[see definitions below], nor abusers
of themselves with mankind [sodomy],
KJV
fornicator:
Greek word #4205 pornos (por'-nos); from pernemi (to
sell; akin to the base of NT:4097);
a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee
(libertine): KJV - fornicator, whoremonger.
1 Timothy 1:10
10 For whoremongers [male homosexual
prostitute (same Greek word as fornicator above (#4205)],
for them that defile themselves with mankind
[sodomy], for menstealers,
for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is
contrary to sound doctrine; KJV
Jude 7
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh
[sodomy], are set
forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. KJV
You stated that you are a Christian;
okay, then pray to God in Jesus Christ's name to free you from this evil
spirit of Homosexuality. I will pray for you for a deliverance.
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The reader replies:
Do you follow all of the old laws buy the way since
you listed levitical
law? I mean do you agree with murder? You should as the old law
commands we
murder any child who curses a parent and murder anyone who won't
keep
saturdays holy as well as anyone who has any sex out of any marriage
(lev
20;9-10 and ex 35;2) and murder any man (no lesbians) who have any
same sex
acts (lev 20;13) so thats even an actor on TV then, no excuses, kill
them
all. Do you agree to murder them all in this list?
[Xxxxxx]
Answer:
Hello. You confuse "murder" with Capital
Punishment. God was not calling (yeah, ordering) the murder of
homosexuals, murderers, adulterers, bestiality practitioners, rapists, etc.,
He was rather calling for Capital Punishment (public execution)
after a fair trial, the evidence supported by two or three honest
witnesses.
Do I think that we should do it today? I feel
that we should abide by the laws of the land, God will straiten out the
whole mess at His return. As many shall learn the hard way. But I know
that had we continued to do it God's way, there would be whole lot less
new homosexuals, murderers, rapists, etc.
But you err in referring to it as "the old law."
Christ did not come to destroy the Law, He did not come to enable you
and others from your below list of sinners to wantonly sin without
conscience. And you shall answer for your sins, just as shall I and all
others answer for our sins.
Matthew 5:17-19
[Jesus speaking]
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and
earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the
law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom
of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be
called great in the kingdom of heaven. KJV
And your basic (but unstated) argument that, "everybody
sins, so it's perfectly okay for me to continue in my sin, unrepentant",
falls short.
Take what you will from the below; I supply it
without commentary:
Matthew 18:7-9
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that
offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and
cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt
or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into
everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee:
it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than
having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. KJV
Matthew 19:3-12
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto
him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he
which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and
shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore
God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of
divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts
suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was
not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it
be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery:
and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his
wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save
they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs
[non-sexual], which
were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs,
which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have
made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is
able to receive it, let him receive it. KJV
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The reader replies:
I think you need to have another look at matt
5;17-19. Jesus said the law
stood till what was to be fulfilled! Did you miss the cross? The old
law
was destroyed at the cross. Christians are no longer bound by the
old law
(its even said in the NT!) So how come you are bound by the old law
when
the rest of us are free of it?
As for if we all obeyed the law there would
be less homosexuals is like saying there would be less blacks and
feminists
and left handed folk, as all of these people have been condemned by
people
who miss vital points in the Bible as you do.
The reality here is, if we
all followed the laws of Christ there would be no new murderers,
homophobics, adulterers, racists, catamites and sexist people. You
see,
Christian love is plainly defined in 1 cor 13;4-8 and you can't be a
homophobic or heterosexist Christian if you follow the definition of
love
in this verse anymore than you could be a racist or sexist
Christian.
Oh and its not capital punishment, its murder, its clear if you read
the
text "their blood be upon them!"
[xxxxxxx]
Answer:
Hi [xxxxxx]. You seem to just want to argue and
"Scripture lawyer" your way into making your sin of choice acceptable.
I gave you the Scriptures, I was patient with you, I did not hold back
anything. Now I must just leave you in God's hands. Arguing gets
nobody anywhere, and it devolves into each wishing to win more than
being right.
I'm sorry, but I cannot be twisted like the
modern day false preachers into accepting your perverted lifestyle just
because you say that if I don't, then I am not "showing Christian
love."
You are deluded by your lust and are willing to
do anything, twist any Scripture, deny those that you can't twist,
corrupt others—all for the express purpose of defying God's commands
about Homosexuality and Lesbianism.
I can't be a part of your "new Christianity."
The spirit (small 's') in that brand of "christianity" (small 'c') is
not the Holy Spirit.
Pray to God in Jesus' name for a release and a
spiritual cleansing. That is your only hope.
I might also admonish you about coming
dangerously close to calling God a murderer. You said:
Oh and its not capital punishment, its
murder, its clear if you read the
text "their blood be upon them!"
referring to:
Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to
death; their blood shall be upon them. KJV
That, my friend, was God speaking in that above
verse, and He wasn't calling for murder, but for a just
sentence. And unless I misunderstand you here, that's nigh unto
blasphemy to call it a God-ordered MURDER.
Be careful. Talk about going from the frying pan
into the fire!
The "them" in the Scripture (as in, "their
blood shall be upon them") is the two Homosexuals; the
Scripture is saying that they deserve the punishment and that the nation
will not be charged for killing them because it was a just execution
done according to God's command. Not that I would call for it today
because of the laws of our land. The "cutting-off" will be done by God
on Judgment Day, now; because if Christians followed this law today they
would be brought up on murder charges by the civil (secular) authorities
and it would bring discredit upon Christianity and cause the innocent
blood of Christians to flow.
But what God makes a Capital Offense (execution)
on Earth shall be carried out in Heaven (in His own way)—just because
man is slack concerning punishment does not mean that God will follow
man's slackness.
2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count
slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any
should perish, but that all should come to repentance. KJV
So, you aren't getting away with anything. Your
only hope is to repent on earth in Jesus Christ's name—then God shall
pardon you in/from Heaven. For, no repentance = no forgiveness, no
forgiveness = no pardon, no pardon = no life. And: no Jesus = no
forgiveness, no forgiveness = death of a lasting sort. But God
judges all in all.
Now, since you are confused on a
Scripture and on a major Christian tenant, I will visit the Scripture
which you refer to as your defense.
You said:
"Jesus said the law
stood till what was to be fulfilled! Did you miss the cross? The
old law
was destroyed at the cross. Christians are no longer bound by
the old law
(its even said in the NT!) So how come you are bound by the old
law when
the rest of us are free of it?"
You warp this to mean that Christians can break God's laws and
suffer no sin. You confuse God's laws with God's Covenant. The
Covenant is the Law of salvation. God's laws are those things which we
were forbade to do. Adding to your confusion is the fact that the
Covenant made by God with Israel in the Old Testament is also called
The Law in the New Testament, and that The Law is different
than the laws, though there are laws in The Law. Also, the
Pentateuch (first five books of the Old Testament by Moses) is also
called The Law. This causes not a little confusion. As we see.
Also note that "covenant" is the same thing as "testament," which is why
long ago they called the New Testament of the Bible the New Covenant,
and some still do.
I believe that the below Scripture
is the one that you were referencing in your above:
Romans 6:14
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under
the law, but under grace. KJV
which you incorrectly
take to mean that we Christians are free to commit sins which were
written against in God's Law because somehow they are no longer
forbidden sins. Technically, according your reasoning, in addition to
being allowed to participate in Homosexual/Lesbian sex, Christians are
now free to murder, commit adultery, rape, commit bestiality, incest,
etc. But this is foolishness. What kind of "Christianity" are you
building here? You and those who think like you do are doing exactly
the same thing to the New Testament, with your Liberalism, that the
Pharisees with their Talmudic-type teachings did to the Old Testament.
Jesus came the first time (First Advent) to put down the false-Mosaic
religious rebellion of the Pharisees, and He will come the second time
(Second Advent) to put down the false-Christian religious rebellion of
the false "Christians," the antichristians. Now, did not even Jesus
Himself say:
Matthew 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I
am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom
of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be
called great in the kingdom of heaven. KJV
And in another place Jesus said:
John 14:15
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. KJV
Now, if you take that earlier
above verse (Romans 6:14) in context with the verses around it, you will
see that it is speaking of the Old Covenant of the Hebrews, whereby they
attained eternal life by living sinless. This of course was
impossible for man, so God made a new Covenant, one written in Jesus'
blood. This is contained in the New Testament of the Bible.
And most certainly you do not see
your below Scripture permitting sin, far from it. It is just
saying that you can be forgiventhrough Jesus Christ:
Romans 6:11-23
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,
but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should
obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness
unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive
from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto
God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under
the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we
sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or
of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have
obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of
righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your
flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness
and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members
servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from
righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now
ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye
have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of
sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through
Jesus Christ our Lord. KJV
The New Covenant:
Hebrews 8:10-13
10 For this is the covenant [Jesus
Christ, contained in the New Testament]
that I will make with the house of Israel after those days
[First Advent], saith the Lord; I will
put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts
[the giving of the Holy Spirit to Christians]:
and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man
his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the
least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins
and their iniquities will I remember no more
[through repentance in Jesus Christ's name].
13 In that he saith, A new covenant [in Jesus
Christ], he hath made the first
[Moses' through animal sacrifices]
old. Now that
[the Old Covenant] which decayeth and
waxeth old is
ready to vanish away [replaced by the New
Covenant]. KJV
In
other words, the New Testament Covenant (with Christ's blood
offering for sin debt) supersedes the Old Testament Covenant
(with animal blood offering for sin debt) as to salvation and
forgiveness. But the sin still requires a payment in blood for
the debt. It is just that Jesus pays it upon repentance,
instead of us paying for it on Judgment Day (or an animal paying
it, as in the Old Covenant).
Hebrews
9:22
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission. KJV
Also, no matter how "good" a person is, they cannot be saved now
without believing upon Jesus Christ, because nobody can possibly
live a sinless life (except for Jesus Christ). And, "For
all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
(Romans 3:21). And "the wages of
sin is death" (Romans 6:23).
Also, since God will no longer take animal sacrifices for sin,
the only sacrifice accepted is Jesus Christ. And the only way
for anyone to claim that pardon is through belief
upon Jesus Christ; i.e., Christians only.
Romans 3:19-26
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it
saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be
stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be
justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of
sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is
manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus
Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is
no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the
redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through
faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the
remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of
God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that
he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth
in Jesus. KJV
But
a sin is still a sin; and it still must be paid for. In the
case of Christians, their sin is paid for by Jesus
after repentance; but with non-Christians, they
shall pay their own sin debt on Judgment Day. And "the
wages of sin is death" (Romans
6:23).
So, when it is said that the "Law"
was done away with, what that means is that the Old Testament way for
forgiveness (animal sacrifice) and salvation (following the laws
perfectly) was replaced with Christ's atoning blood. In other
words, it isn't saying that sins are no longer sins; God forbid!
But that salvation is not under the Law, but under the grace of Jesus
Christ (for those who believe upon Him). It is merely changing the
way that a man may be saved. And has absolutely nothing to do with
changing sins into non-sins, as you like to think: that since you call
yourself a Christian that you can have Homosexual sex and bear no sin on
your soul. As though God now somehow changed His mind and finds no
fault or abomination in Homosexuality. I know that you think this
because many false preachers, especially the Gay ones, have told you
this lie. Their sin is greater than yours; for, they destroy
you as well as themselves. Did you forget what Jesus said of
those who tempt others to sin?
Matthew 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I
am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the
kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same
shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. KJV
You know, if I might add my feeling on the
matter, my own opinion if you will; it would be better for you had you
said: "I am sinning, but am too weak to stop," than for you to
say: "I do as I wish, there is no sin in me." For, in the
first case you are repentant and humble, though weak and yet sinning;
however, in the second case you are disobedient and defiant, claiming no
sin nor any need for repentance. I base this opinion of mine on the
underlying teaching gleaned from the below Scripture; and you may
determine on your own if I make a good correlation, or if I am reaching:
Luke 18:9-14
9 And he [Jesus] spake this
parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were
righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and
the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank
thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust,
adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as
his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be
merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than
the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and
he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. KJV
Regardless, since you are reprobate, I cannot
even bid you God speed like I have been doing with my closing line of
"Peace to you in Christ Jesus" at the end of each reply. The
reason that I cannot wish you off well is:
2 John 8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have
wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of
Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he
hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive
him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil
deeds. KJV
It's not because you are Gay, it is because you
fully intend to remain Gay, unrepentant and worse; that you intend to
teach others that being Gay is no sin. Thus becoming a snare to
their souls as well as your own.
I really don't think that you
grasp the gravity of your situation; that, or that you simply
don't care, or don't believe.
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