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Judaic Monsanto family aims to control world's food supply
A reader writes:
Subject: THE DEAD SEED PEOPLE!
Hi Nick.....The Kenite owned Monsanto is considering using what’s known
as their terminator technology seeds on a more wide-scale basis. These
are seeds that have been genetically modified to “self-destruct.” In
other words, the seeds (and the forthcoming crops) are sterile, which
means farmers must buy them again each year.
This solves their problem of needing “seed police,” but
they are obviously looking the other way when it comes to the
implications that terminator seeds could have on the world’s food
supply: the traits from genetically engineered crops can get passed on
to other crops. Once the terminator seeds are released into a region,
the trait of seed sterility could be passed to other
non-genetically-engineered crops, making most or all of the seeds in the
region sterile.
If allowed to continue, every farmer in the world could
come to rely on Monsanto for their seed supply … and this is not a
company that you want in control of your food supply.
The Kenite descendants of satan are surely all about
death and dead seed!
Answer:
Hi. You are so right (but not all "Jews" are
Kenites, I hasten to add; but they are all "false Jews," I equally
hasten to add). These plants could cross-pollinate through the wind for
several miles. This could cause other plants to take on the attributes
of the terminator plants. The end result would be that many other food
plant species would go extinct after one generation. It could go into a
runaway problem that we would not be able to stop until all the affected
plants had died. Then we would need to start over with seeds saved from
the plants before they were made to go extinct.
And whoever owns those remaining good seeds would
control the world's population (those who were allowed to survive the
ensuing famines) under threat of starvation. That, my friend, is why
they have saved all of the world's seeds in that frozen underground
bunker (see Seed Vault article below).
And for those who don't believe this, or who have
been brainwashed into rejecting any such notion of a conspiracy to
dominate the world because it's "AntiSemitic talk," I would point out
that these famines are prophesied to happen in the Tribulation, at the
beginning of it:
Revelation 6:5-8
5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast
say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that
sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand
["balances" are scales, and scales are
the instrument of commerce (and food-selling)].
6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four
beasts say, A measure of wheat
[1 day's food rations]
for a penny [1
day's wages (Mat 20:2)], and three measures of barley
[1 day's food rations]
for a penny
[1 day's wages];
[food enough to feed one man
costs one day's wages—doesn't feed his family or the welfare
junkies—this is extreme famine fueled by hyperinflation] and
see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the
fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on
him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto
them over the fourth part of the earth
[by today's population count this would be 1.65 billion lives],
to kill with sword, and with
hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the
earth. KJV
Near Arctic, Seed Vault Is a Fort Knox of Food
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
New York Times
February 29, 2008
The entrance to the Global Seed Vault, on a
Norwegian Island near the North Pole. This week it received its first
seeds, under a project to store every type of seed from every seed
collection in the world. [Continued at
Source]
And yes, the Monsanto Company, which is
developing and has patents on Terminator Seeds, is owned by the Judaic
family, Monsanto. (See:
JEWISH MONSANTO FAMILY Were Jewish Slave Dealers And
Owners; Now Their Company is Threatening the World
with Potentially Dangerous Patented Seeds) Of course, the Judaized
so-called Christians ("Judeo-Christians") of today will say that this is
just another in a long line of "coincidences."
(A statistically impossible coincidence, I might add; i.e.,
that 0.19% of the world's population could own and control so much of
the world [13,000,000 Judaics out of 6,600,000,000 planet population].)
And the beat goes on....
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Can children commit sin? What is the
age of accountability?
A reader writes:
Nick, I don't know if you received my
e-mail regarding the Jerusalem Bible. At the risk of repeating
myself if you did get it. I thank you for all that you have been
faithful to. I have learned much from you. I still am studying the
subject of the 1,000 yr. reign. Does our eternal salvation depend
on whether you believe that the "millennium" is for "teaching" those
who were not taught the truth in this life?
For example, I have 3 grandchildren who are not being taught "the
truth" if the antichrist comes while they are children and because
their parents have not the truth themselves they "worship" the
antichrist will they not have salvation? What about all of the
islamic, buddhist, etc..........children? What about the slumber?
What about "blinding"? What is the 1,000 yr. reign for? I am still
searching the scriptures on my own not only studying with SC or your
site or other teachers. Is the subject of the "millennium" a
doctrine of Christ that must be understood to have salvation?
My husband and I had planned to go to SC Fall Fellowship the as
it was also our anniversary. My husband has studied with SC some
but he does not have the same desire for the word that I have. He
decided that he did not want to face the possiblity of the driving
rains or possible storms that were forecast for that weekend. I
chose not to pressure him to go against his will and stayed home
with him. I would have taken the risk if I were on my own. Since I
chose not to go I sent for the CD's. When I received them it seemed
to me that the message was cut short. I called them and they said
that I could send it back to them detailing was seemed to be wrong
and they would take care of it. Tonight I listened to the same
message online and it stopped at the same point in the message and
then continued with questions and answers. The last 2 times that I
heard the message on communion the message stopped short of the
previous communion messages. I went ahead and took communion on my
own. I take communion on my own for my own personal reasons not
only when others take it. In dealing with my husband I am trying to
learn how to not cause offense to him that would further push him
away from God and I struggle with when I am required of God to stand
up to my husband on issues and when I am following God by not
demanding that my husband allow me to do that which I feel such a
deep strong desire to do. Can you help me with this. The best way
of describing my situation would be to compare it to mary and
martha
in their discussion of what was the most important the preparation
of food and cleaning or studying with the teacher.
I used to study with my sister who studied with SC and 2 of her
daughters. They all 3 helped me but they don't all 3 agree on some
family issues. I have tried to not cause offense and stir up strife
and as a result I am not able to study with any of them much
anymore. It seems every discussion leads back to conversation about
the strife that they have within the family. I have stood up
anytime that I heard something did not fit what I have learned from
the Bible. That is all that I have known to do. But it really
saddens me that there is such grief between them.
Thank you again for all that you have done
I hope to hear from you soon
Sincerely in Christian Hope
[Xxxx Xxxxxx]
Answer:
Hello. I sometimes miss E-mails or do
not have the time to reply to them all. If I neglected to reply to
you it was surely out of oversight on my part and/or time constraints
rather than any intentional slighting of you. Sorry.
"I still am studying the subject of
the 1,000 yr. reign. Does our eternal salvation depend on whether
you believe that the "millennium" is for "teaching" those who were
not taught the truth in this life?"
Absolutely not. A full understanding
of the Millennium has no bearing whatsoever on our salvation.
Revelation chapter twenty (the Millennium) happens after we meet the
Lord, after the Second Advent, after all flesh is done away with. In
other words, after all are dead or "changed." That is to say, after it
is too late to change our behavior/beliefs. We shall be judged for the
things that we do in this flesh life.
2 Corinthians
5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of
Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body,
according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. KJV
"For example, I have 3 grandchildren
who are not being taught "the truth" if the antichrist comes while
they are children and because their parents have not the truth
themselves they "worship" the antichrist will they not have
salvation? What about all of the islamic, buddhist,
etc..........children? What about the slumber? What about
"blinding"? What is the 1,000 yr. reign for? I am still searching
the scriptures on my own not only studying with SC or your site or
other teachers. Is the subject of the "millennium" a doctrine of
Christ that must be understood to have salvation? "
Wow, that a lot of questions packed
into one paragraph. And what huge questions they are. Okay, let's just
take them by the numbers. I will insert short responses within your
paragraph:
"For example, I have 3 grandchildren
who are not being taught "the truth" if the antichrist comes while
they are children and because their parents have not the truth
themselves they "worship" the antichrist will they not have
salvation? [The children are innocent
and cannot see "hell." Jesus said: "And
said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as
little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."
(Mat 18:3).]
"...What
about all of the islamic, buddhist, etc..........children?
[same as above] What about the slumber?
What about "blinding"? [The
"blinding" was "in part" (Rom
11:25), and is over. For, the slumber was "until
the fulness of the Gentiles be come in". Paul's ministry,
among other's, accomplished this; "I am the
apostle of the Gentiles" (Rom 11:13)]
Romans 11:25
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this
mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that
blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of
the Gentiles be come in. KJV
Romans 11:13
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of
the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: KJV
"...What is the 1,000 yr. reign for?
[Reward. "...and they lived and reigned with
Christ a thousand years", and, "...on
such the second death hath no power" (Rev 20:4b, and 6b)]
Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was
given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had
not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had
received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and
they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be
priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a
thousand years. KJV
"...I am still searching the
scriptures on my own not only studying with SC or your site or
other teachers. Is the subject of the "millennium" a doctrine of
Christ that must be understood to have salvation?"
[No.]
I think that your main concern in the
above is for the children who by no choice of their own have been born
into families that either don't believe or believe wrongly.
Am I correct? If so, rest easy. And I will tell you why.
God will only judge you for what you
know. It's called "age of accountability." Obviously an infant knows
nothing, and therefore is innocent before God. The mistaught idea of
"original sin" as taught in many (most) churches of today is wrong. We
are not born with sin on our soul, we are born with a
predisposition to sin, we are tempted by sin and often fail because
we are carnal, flesh; and:
Galatians 5:17
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against
the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye
cannot do the things that ye would. KJV
Matthew 26:41
41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit
indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. KJV
1 John 2:16
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust
of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of
the world. KJV
A tragic misinterpretation of the
below Scripture is what spawned and now sustains the errant idea that we
somehow have a/any sins charged against our own souls for something that
Adam did in the Garden of Eden six millennia ago:
Romans 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by
sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
KJV
This is where they get the "original
sin" teaching; i.e., that Adam's sin was transferred to our
souls. But the very next verse contains the answer:
Romans 5:12-13
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by
sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world:
but sin is not imputed when there is no law. KJV
What is being said here is that all
people sin, but before God gave His Law a sin was not a sin because
there was no law against it. Where it is said in the above, "but
sin is not imputed", it means that they weren't charged with the
offence. However, God gave His first Law to Adam in the Garden of Eden:
Genesis 2:16-17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man,
saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not
eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely
die. KJV
Adam and Eve violated this first
Commandment, and therefore now a man may be charged with a sin, for
there was law issued. Both Adam and Eve violated this first Law, and
for that transgression they were punished. From that time forward they
and their progeny had an expiration date—man became liable to die, all
men. Before this, Adam and Eve and presumably their offspring would
have lived forever; "for in the day that thou
eatest thereof thou shalt surely die". Well, they didn't die
that day, so something else was meant. What was meant was that they had
relinquished their immortality. This is something that satan (the
serpent) lied to Eve about:
Genesis 3:1-4
3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which
the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God
said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of
the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden,
God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it,
lest ye die. [showing that Eve
was aware of God's commandment in the matter]
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not
surely die: KJV
So, satan says that "Ye
shall not surely die" but God had said "thou
shalt surely die". Adam died in his 930th year; "And
all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he
died" (Gen 5:5). Let God be true and every man a liar (Rom
3:4).
There were many Laws from God given
to men before Mount Sinai (see Ex 18:16, which was before Moses). For
instance, We have Adam and Eve, then we have Laws given to Noah after
the deluge. And throughout Scripture God had instructed Israel with
"do's and don't's" way before Moses came along. We do not know what
Laws God gave to the other peoples of the earth at that time because it
is not written. But there exists evidence that there were laws in the
early world (e.g., the Khammurabi Laws [see Companion Bible
appendix # 15]); whether some of them came from God we cannot know.
Nevertheless, we are only charged
with the sins that we commit; especially since now that Messiah has came
and delivered God's New Covenant (New Testament):
Jeremiah
31:29-33
29 In those days
they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the
children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity:
every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on
edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make
a new covenant
[New Testament--Jesus Christ]
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in
the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land
of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband
unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of
Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their
inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God,
and they shall be my people. KJV
But children are innocent because
they know not what they do. There is an age of accountability, and it
is different for everyone; for, some mature faster than others. And
some never reach that age of accountability (e.g., the mentally
retarded, the "slow," the insane, or whatnot). There is no set general
age that we reach this "age of accountability," and even that term
itself is not in the Bible. However, we have some hint in the fact that
when Israel was being numbered, the men (i.e., no longer
children) were not counted until they reach the age of twenty:
when numbering the fighting men:
Numbers 26:2
2 Take the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel,
from twenty years old and upward, throughout
their father's house, all that are able to go to war in Israel. KJV
when making the tabernacle:
Exodus 38:25-26
25 And the silver of them that were numbered of the congregation was
an hundred talents, and a thousand seven hundred and threescore and
fifteen shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary:
26 A bekah for every man, that is, half a shekel, after the shekel
of the sanctuary, for every one that went to be numbered,
from twenty years old and upward, for six hundred
thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty men. KJV
in the punishment for the sin in the
wilderness:
Numbers
14:28-29
28 Say unto them, As truly as I live, saith the Lord, as ye have
spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you:
29 Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were
numbered of you, according to your whole number, from
twenty years old and upward, which have murmured
against me, KJV
again for the sin in the wilderness:
Numbers
32:10-11
10 And the Lord's anger was kindled the same time, and he sware,
saying,
11 Surely none of the men that came up out of Egypt, from
twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I
sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob; because they have
not wholly followed me: KJV
As regarding the Shepherd's Chapel
Fall Fellowship gathering I was not able financially to go this year
(the first year I missed in ten years), so I cannot comment on the
sermon/dissertations.
As regarding family strife; what can
we say? These things happen.
As regarding your
husband: let no thing or no one stand between you and God & Christ
Jesus. Anything other than that on the matter is difficult for me
to say; for giving family and marital advice is impossible without
hearing both sides of the story. And frankly, I do not feel
comfortable attempting to interject my opinion into someone's personal
family life. I prefer to stay where there are Scriptures to be
brought to bear.
As with all troubles
and times of trouble and doubt, prayer to God in Jesus Christ's name is
the best and surest course of action. "...for
he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." (Heb
13:5b).
Stay in the Word and peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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Is masturbation a sin?
A reader writes:
Dear Watchmen,
Someone asked me yesterday what does God think of 'masturbation'? I had
referred her a couple of verses I knew that deals with sexual
immaturity, but I still feel I could have answered her question.
Otherwise I told her, (yes I admit it I don't know myself) I don't know.
The verse(s) she was told to reveiw and take it from there were as
follows...
N.T.
Romans 1:24-27
" 8:2
II Corithians 6:9-end of chapter
I Timothy 1:9-10
O.T.
Leviticus 18:22-end of chapter
" 30: 13-(22:5)
ALSO suggesting she check out the word "Soul" as it is described in the
Apex #19 in the Companion Bible. Whats your idea? Could I have
answered her better?? Thanks
Answer:
Hello, none of the Scriptures that this
woman was referred to are about masturbation. So how could they help answer
her question? We have addressed this matter in several articles, one of
which is: Masturbation,
does the Bible speak against it? Most churches are a little
too embarrassed to speak about it, and most parishioners certainly aren't
going to stand up in a crowded church and ask about it. So there is
room for Internet ministries which can be somewhat private and impersonal if
that is what is desired.
Let's take a look at each of the
Scriptures that were given to the woman to answer her query as to whether
masturbation is a sin or not.
N.T.
Romans 1:24-27
" 8:2
Romans 1:24-27
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of
their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their
women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which
is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error
which was meet. KJV
That Scripture is an admonition against
homosexuality. Masturbation is not mentioned nor alluded to.
Romans 8:2
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free
from the law of sin and death. KJV
This Scripture is speaking of the New
Covenant. Masturbation is not mentioned nor alluded to.
II
Corithians 6:9-end of chapter
2 Corinthians
6:9-18
9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as
chastened, and not killed;
10 As sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as
having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
11 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
12 Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own
bowels.
13 Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be
ye also enlarged.
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion
hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that
believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the
temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and
walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the
Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters,
saith the Lord Almighty. KJV
This Scripture is an admonition against
idolatry. Masturbation is not mentioned nor alluded to. And "touch
not the unclean thing" is referring to an idol.
1 Timothy 1:9-10
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for
the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy
and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for
manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for
menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other
thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; KJV
This Scripture is saying that the Law was
designed to confront the sinner not the righteous, it was designed to deal
with murders, homosexuals, false witnessers, etc. Masturbation is
not mentioned nor alluded to; unless of course, you wish to assume that
masturbation is spoken against in Scripture, as in: "contrary
to sound doctrine". Which has not yet been established, but it is
merely some people's opinion that masturbation should be a
sin.
O.T.
Leviticus 18:22-end of chapter
" 30: 13-(22:5)
Leviticus 18:22-30
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is
abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith:
neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is
confusion.
24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the
nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof
upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not
commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor
any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were
before you, and the land is defiled;)
28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued
out the nations that were before you.
29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls
that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of
these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye
defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God. KJV
This
Scripture is an admonition against homosexuality and
bestiality. Masturbation is not mentioned nor alluded to.
I couldn't check Lev 30:13 as there
are only 27 chapters in the book of Leviticus. I refer to the second
Scripture mentioned in your below, But I'm sure the answer will be the same
as with the other references.
O.T.
Leviticus 18:22-end of
chapter
" 30: 13-(22:5)
The bottom line is that there is nothing in these Scriptures (or the
Bible) prohibiting masturbation. Many have tried to prove me wrong on this,
but none has succeeded. They mostly all post the same Scriptures that
speak against general sexual immorality, but they can never tie-in
masturbation with those sexual sins. And if God chose not to address
it why should we? I am quite sure that He knew that the idea of
masturbating would come to mankind, and if it offended Him I am equally sure
that He would have had a word or two to say against it. I find none.
Christians need to stop looking for more things to prohibit and instead
focus in on the things that God forbade, not least of all, all of the false
doctrines being taught in many of today's neo-Christian pretend churches.
My humble advice is that if anyone feels
that doing a certain thing is sinful—then they should not do it. However,
if they want to tell someone else that what they are doing
is a sin—then they had better be sure that they can back up their
declaration with sound and clear Scripture. For instance, we can show plain
and clear Scripture to chasten the homosexual and the murderer, the
adultness and the blasphemer, etc; however, we cannot show plain
and clear Scripture to admonish one who masturbates. I really think that it
is just something best not mentioned too much. And the only time that we
here discus it is when someone tells a Christian that masturbation is a sin,
when we can find no Scriptural admonition against it. I mean, God isn't
shy; in just the few Scriptures that you referenced above, God spoke of
homosexuality (same-sex sex), bestiality (sex with animals), adultery (sex
between a married woman and someone not her husband); so He surely wouldn't
be "too prudent" to bring up in condemnation masturbation. But we do
not see it mentioned.
The prohibition on masturbation was
founded in the corrupt Catholic Church, but they seem to have missed the
Scriptures against Homosexuality in the priesthood, not to mention the rape
of young boys which was so prevalent in the church for God knows how long.
(Baal worship, so prohibited in the Old Testament, involved homosexual rites
as does upper-level Freemasonry [in the Illuminati degrees]). The
International Judaics stated as early as 1884 in their Protocols of the
Learned Elders of Zion that their goal was to infiltrate and corrupt
the Catholic Church for the purpose of destroying her influence in the
world. This has all but been accomplished.
[2.] WE HAVE LONG PAST TAKEN CARE
TO DISCREDIT THE PRIESTHOOD OF THE "GOYIM,"
[non-Jews] and thereby to
ruin their mission on earth which in these days
[circa 1880's] might still be a great
hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the peoples of the world is
falling lower. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE [liberalism,
humanism, atheism] HAS BEEN DECLARED
EVERYWHERE, SO THAT NOW ONLY YEARS DIVIDE US FROM THE MOMENT OF THE
COMPLETE WRECKING OF THAT CHRISTIAN RELIGION: as to other
religions we shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but
it would be premature to speak of this now. We shall set clericalism
and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in
retrogressive proportion to its former progress.
[3.] When the time comes
finally to destroy the papal court [the
Roman Catholic Church Universal] the finger
of an invisible hand will point the nations towards this court. When,
however, the nations fling themselves upon it, we shall come forward in
the guise of its defenders as if to save excessive bloodshed. By this
diversion we shall penetrate [infiltrate]
to its very bowels and be sure we
shall never come out again until we have gnawed through the entire
strength of this place.
[4.]
THE KING OF THE JEWS [AKA, antichrist/satan]
WILL BE THE REAL POPE OF THE UNIVERSE, THE
PATRIARCH OF THE INTERNATIONAL CHURCH
[5.] But, IN THE MEANTIME, while
we are re-educating youth in new traditional religions
and afterwards in ours, WE SHALL NOT OVERTLY LAY A FINGER ON
EXISTING CHURCHES, BUT WE SHALL FIGHT AGAINST THEM BY CRITICISM
CALCULATED TO PRODUCE SCHISM [division].
. .
— Protocols of the
Learned Elders of Zion, Protocol № 17, ¶ 2-5. Probably written
in 1884, but published in 1901 (The Protocols of…Zion were
also delivered as the minutes of the First Zionist Congress held at
Basle, Switzerland, in 1897, under the presidency of the "father of
Modern Zionism," the late Theodore Herzl.) A copy of the
Protocols of…Zion is in the British Museum today bearing the
date of its reception, August 10, 1906. One on-line source:
https://watchman.news/watchman-bs-site-arcv/plez.htm
Now, I know that the
Judaics and their Judaized Christian pals (Judeo-"Christians") will tell you
that the above document is an "AntiSemitic forgery"; okay, believe what you
will, but it is sure a prophetic "AntiSemitic forgery." And odd it is
that all that was written in this so-called "AntiSemitic forgery" has been
and is being accomplished by Judaics. The truth of the matter is that
the
Protocols
of the Learned Elders of Zion
is not any AntiSemitic forgery; but rather, it is an authentic secret
document that was leaked and that the International Judaics and their
unwitting dupes move Heaven and hell to try to suppress them. If you
quote that book you will be slandered by Judaic and non-Jew alike.
proving that their exceptional efforts to suppress the book have succeeded
greatly. Yeah sure, you can buy the book—but you can't
believe it; or else!. In Russia, the Jewish Bolshevik secret
police murdered anyone on the spot for merely possessing a copy of the
banned book. Today it is only your character that is assassinated for
believing and referencing the book. That shall change back to the
Jewish Bolshevik (Communist) model during the Tribulation.
For
questions on sexual matters, see our:
Is sex within
marriage only for having children? and
Masturbation, does the Bible speak against
it? and Sexuality,
Marriage, and Pornography and
"Suffer not a woman
to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man," was God just kidding? Also:
Feminism/Lesbianism/whoredom/abortion and
Does the Bible
prohibit birth control? and
Adultery is SOLELY
and SPECIFICALLY predicated on the marital status of the female
participant and
Is reproductive
sterilization allowed in the Bible? and
More verse-skewing
on masturbation and
Ancient Sodom, the
Modern Homosexual/Lesbian Movement, and Contemporary Jewish Talmudic
Traditions on Homosexuality.
Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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Similar related question:
A reader writes:
Dear Watchmen,
Just to let you know, does/would Deutromony 23:9-14 or Genesis 49:4
steer towards "masturbation"? No, not obsessed with the subject, but
after this time observing two people fighting over whether there was a
'earth age' before this one, ( as taught by Pastor Arnold, & Dennis
Murray) I was compelled to look again. Sad to see people fighting over
God's word though.
Answer:
Hello. I welcome your submissions and
appreciate that you are searching the Scriptures whether these things be
true. That's the thing that saint Luke (as the author of the book of
Acts [compare Acts 1:1 & Luke 1:3]) complimented the Bereans on:
Acts 17:10-11
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto
Berea [hence, the Bereans]:
who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These [the Bereans]
were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in
that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and
searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
KJV
And when I make a bold
statement that runs contrary to what most (all?) churches of today teach, as
I have for years now (i.e., that nowhere in the Bible is masturbation
referred to as a sin), I fully expect to be challenged on it. So I
don't consider this "fighting," I consider it searching and discussing the
written Word of God.
However, as with every
other attempt by others over the last couple years, neither of your two
Scripture submissions have anything to do with masturbation and a
prohibition against it. We shall investigate both Scriptures in-depth
below, but first an overview: The first Scripture you submitted, Deuteronomy
23:9-14, has to do with two subjects; one, a nocturnal emission (commonly
referred to today as a "wet dream") and the resultant semen discharge that
gets on the man, thus making him ceremoniously unclean (temporarily
cut-off from the social and more importantly the religious privileges of a
member in good standing); and secondly, the burying of human waste (as
opposed to leaving out in the open as with dogs. And the second
Scriptural submission you gave, Genesis 49:4, is speaking of the sin of
Rueben, wherein he had with his father's, Jacob/Israel's, concubine (a
second lesser wife). Observe:
Deuteronomy 23:9-14
9 When the host goeth forth against thine enemies, then keep thee from
every wicked thing.
10 If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of
uncleanness that chanceth him by night
[nocturnal emission], then shall he go
abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp:
11 But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself
with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp
again.
12 Thou shalt have a place also without [outside
of] the camp, whither thou shalt go forth
abroad [in other words, a latrine area. "outhouse"
area]:
13 And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon [a
shovel]; and it shall be, when thou wilt
ease thyself [defecate, "go to the bathroom"]
abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and
shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:
14 For the Lord thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver
thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall thy camp
be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee, and turn away from thee.
KJV
Semen is considered
"unclean" in the Bible. And if a man comes in contact with his semen
(as in the nocturnal emission in the above Scripture for instance) he is
considered unclean until sundown. And he must remove himself from the
camp, away from the people and wash himself off. Then at sundown he
may return, being clean again. This also goes for his wife if
she should come into contact with his semen. It also goes for the
bedding and clothes should they be stained with the semen:
Leviticus 15:16-18
16 And if any man's seed of copulation
[semen] go out from him,
then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even
[sundown].
17 And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation,
shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.
18 The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they
shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.
KJV
As to why coming into contact with semen,
even your own, made one ceremoniously unclean is not clear. God doesn't
tell us why contact with semen makes one unclean, He just tells us that it does.
A menstruating woman is also ceremoniously unclean (Lev 15:19-33, etc.).
And please do not confuse "ceremonious uncleanness" with moral offence.
There is no sin in a ceremonial uncleanness, only a separation; but a moral
offence is a sin which comes with consequences. You will notice in our
first Scripture, Deuteronomy 23:10, that the man became unclean because of
something that happened when he was sleeping, certainly no fault could be
assigned to him; e.g., "...is not clean by reason
of uncleanness that chanceth him by night" (Duet 23:10b).
One more thing about this uncleanness from
contact with semen. And this shows the utter contempt and hatred that the
rabbis have for Jesus Christ. In Judaism's highest "holy" book, the
Babylonian Talmud, Jesus is assigned at least four different deaths:
strangled (Sanhedrin 52a,
106b, also in the
Jewish Encyclopedia),
crucified as a blasphemer (Sanhedrin
46a, also in the Jewish
Encyclopedia), stoned to death (Sanhedrin
43a - 45b), burned
to death (Sanhedrin 52a,
Yebamoth 6b). And
the eternal punishment assigned by the rabbis to Jesus Christ, and this is most
perverted and disgusting—showing the spiritual foulness of the heart of
Judaism—is that the rabbis claim that Jesus is being punished in hell forever
boiling in hot semen (Gittin
57a, shown below where I have inlaid blue boxes around the text at the key
points. The last one on the bottom is the name "Jesus" as the one being so
punished).
Below is a facsimile of the Talmud
page that speaks of Jesus boiling in semen:
Babylonian Talmud, Gittin 57a. Soncino Press Ed., 1936.
(Source)
In other words, in addition to casting
Jesus into hell, which would be bad enough for sure, they also pronounce Him to
be eternally unclean (and thus separated from God) by a constant contact with
semen! This is the pure exposed vile Judaism, stripped of its fine facade
and smoke and mirrors, that so many unwitting Christians are becoming friendly
with; pastor Rev. John Hagee of the Christian Evangelical denomination for
instance. Rome (the Catholic Church) becoming another Judaized
neo-Christian sub-faction day-by-day (a couple of years ago they declared that
"Jews" can go to Heaven WITHOUT believing on Jesus Christ. But Jesus said:
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the
life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." [John 14:6 ]). And
the modern-day so-called "Judeo-Christian" of many different Christian
denominations are another group that are being seduced into this betrayal and
blasphemy. These are, after all, the endtimes; should this surprise us?
The truth is rather ugly, therefore many cannot or will not accept it; and many,
it upsets.
Moving on to your second Scriptural
submission, Genesis 49:4, we shall see that it has absolutely nothing to do with
masturbation:
Genesis 49:3-4
3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my
strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:
4 Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up
to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my
couch. KJV
I really don't see how
you could have mistaken this for masturbation; but anyway, it is speaking of
when Reuben had sex with his father's wife (concubine actually—a concubine
is a second [or more] lesser wife), Bilhah. This event is described
earlier in this book of Genesis:
Genesis 35:22
22 And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben
went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard
it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: KJV
Deuteronomy 27:20
20 Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because
he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.
KJV
By the way, this is what
Noah's son, Ham, did to him. Ham had sex with his father's (Noah's)
wife:
Genesis 9:22
22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father,
and told his two brethren without. KJV
The term "saw the
nakedness of his father" (or uncover the nakedness of thy father)
means to have sex, in this case with their father's wife. "uncover the
nakedness" means to have sex. See below. And you will notice
above that Canaan was born of this incestual affair.
Leviticus 18:6-8
6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to
uncover their nakedness: I am the Lord.
7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt
thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her
nakedness.
8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is
thy father's nakedness. KJV
Back to Rueben. Below, in 1st
Chronicles, this event is also mentioned. And here it is called a
defilement, which is what it was called in your Gen 49:4 Scripture:
1 Chronicles 5:1
5 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the
firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed,
his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and
the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright. KJV
Compare to your
Scripture:
Genesis 49:3-4
3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my
strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:
4 Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou
wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he
went up to my couch. KJV
This type of sin was also
being committed in the New Testament as the early church was forming.
Below, Paul condemns the act (adultery with one's father's wife):
1 Corinthians 4:17
5 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such
fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one
should have his father's wife. KJV
In closing; you stated: "Sad to see people
fighting over God's word though".
I disagree. To my observation there is nothing more worthy of fighting for
than the true and accurate transmission of God's written Word, the Bible.
And what more noble cause is there than to fight for your God? Somehow
Christians forgot that today. But had the early Christians forgotten it we
would not be Christians today, and thus damned. What a world we are
leaving our poor children—will they believe upon Christ in even a single
generation from now? All indications and trends scream NO!
Jesus never did tell us what to do after
we "turn the other cheek" twice and they slap it again, and again, and again....
At some point you have to stand up and put an end to it. Christians misuse
the "turn the other cheek" Scripture as an excuse for their un-zealousness
and their refusal to stand up and be counted.
Luke 9:24
26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the
Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his
Father's, and of the holy angels. KJV
Matthew 5:13
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour,
wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be
cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. KJV
Mark 9:50
50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye
season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
KJV
Acts 4:26-31
26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together
against the Lord, and against his Christ.
27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed,
both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel,
were gathered together,
28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be
done.
29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants,
that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be
done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled
together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the
word of God with boldness. KJV
Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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The 2008 financial crises and prophecy
A reader writes:
Hi Nick,
What do you as a watchman conclude from the Dow Jones record
one-day drop of 777 points on Sept. 29th (which deeper students of God's
Word generally agree is the actual birthdate of Jesus)? Should one
dismiss this event as mere coincidence, or was it a chilling "sign" of
some sort we're left to interpret as either psychological warfare by
satan against those with eyes to see, or, an altogether different
warning from God Himself?
I know there are certain things satan and his
fallen lieutenants
cannot control (i.e. the weather) but assuming he could manipulate the
stock markets and hidden dynasty of the economy in general, what are we
to conclude from this? I've long believed that man's system of
speculation and financial trading would ultimately be smashed to pieces,
but on that note I would have expected to see a drop of 666, not 777
points! Seven is spiritual perfection in biblical numerics, and Christ
returns at the 7th Trump. Was this "777" plunge last Monday some sort
of perverse "DOWN with the 7th Advent" smack from principalities above?
Are we to be shaken and conclude the unthinkable....that satan has
somehow wrested power from Michael in heaven and has circumvented God's
plan to kick him out?
If this was a warning from God Himself, was it to
His elect, or the
greedy bankers and all who put their trust and security in man's failed
systems?
WHAT was He trying to tell us? Please reply back
with your
thoughts.
Still Watching in late '08,
[Xxxxxx Xxxxxx]
Answer:
Hi [Xxxxxx]. I
hadn't made that connection (the Sep 29th market loss date and Christ's
likely real birthday). But I don't think that it has any special meaning.
We shall see greater losses than that one. I think that the number this
quarter in which the Stock Market would close (for an hour to regroup and
refocus) is a 1,000 point loss (that number is variable and is recalculated,
I believe, every three months). There are also two more stops placed
somewhere near a 2,000 point loss and a 3,000. So 777 points is a lot, but
not the worst case scenario. I think that we had a similar loss in, I
believe, 1989. But a sign from Heaven will be pronounced and
remarkable so as to not be mistaken as a coincidence. When God moves
everyone knows it.
Regarding
the market meltdowns, this is global and is all part of the plan to
integrate the world under a global system. The financial just
being one of the four hidden dynasties Pastor Murray speaks of; i.e.,
1, financial; 2, educational (under which I
include media); 3, political; and 4, religious.
We will see
a lot more of this as we move into the global system described in Revelation
13. Satan (as antichrist) can't take over the world until it is united, or
nearly united. His minions on this Earth today are moving the nations of
this world closer together. Need I state that those minions are the
International Judaics, aided greatly by their "lesser brethren" Judaics and
the "Gentile" Useful Idiots? Ironically, as I am writing this I just
listened to the International Judaic's choice for the next US President,
Barack Obama, state on FOX News about the current financial crises: "This is
a global problem and it requires a global answer." Below is that "global
answer":
Revelation 13:1-4
13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast
["NWO"] rise up out of the sea
[the peoples; see Rev 17:15 for documentation], having seven
heads [regions, control zones] and
ten horns [powers, administrations (see
Rev 17:12 for documentation)], and upon his horns ten crowns
["kings"; i.e., rulers, leaders, administrators (Rev 17:12)],
and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast [NWO] which I saw
was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and
his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon
[antichrist/satan] gave him [the
NWO] his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his [the NWO]
heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and
all the world wondered after the beast
[the NWO].
4 And they worshipped the dragon
[antichrist/satan] which gave power unto the beast
[the NWO]: and they worshipped the beast
[the NWO], saying, Who is like unto the beast
[the NWO]? who is able to make war with him
[the NWO]? KJV
We also know that in this New World
Order money will be worth nothing; for, you will not be able to
participate in commerce without swearing allegiance to the beast system.
You could have a million dollars under your mattress but not be able to buy
a dinner, a medicine, heating oil, shoes, electric, etc.
Revelation 13:11-18
11 And I beheld another beast
[antichrist/satan] coming up out
of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon
[antichrist/satan].
12 And he [antichrist/satan]
exerciseth all the power of the first beast
[the NWO] before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell
therein to worship the first beast [the
NWO (notice that worship is required in this new world
government)], whose deadly wound was healed
[the one in Rev 13:3 above].
13 And he [antichrist/satan] doeth
great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth
in the sight of men,
14 And [antichrist/satan]
deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he [antichrist/satan] had
power to do in the sight of the beast
[the NWO]; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they
should make an image to the beast [the
NWO (don't confuse this image with the mark of the beast in verse 16
below)], which had the wound by a sword, and did live
[once again identifying it as the beast
in Rev 13:3 above].
15 And he [antichrist/satan] had
power to give life unto the image of the beast
[the NWO], that the image of the beast [the
NWO] should both speak, and cause that as many as would not
worship the image of the beast [the NWO]
should be killed [this is
literal (these martyrs are spoken of in Rev 6:9, Rev 20:4, etc.].
16 And he [antichrist/satan]
causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to
receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell
[can't buy provisions, can't sell your labor or goods], save
[except for] he that had the mark, or the name of the beast,
or the number of his
[antichrist/satan's] name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of
the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred
threescore and six [the infamous "666"].
KJV
So, this present financial collapse
(which is global—USA, Russia, China, England, European Union,
Islamic States, Iceland, [but not Israel, incidentally], etc.) is just
another sign of how close we are actually coming to the Tribulation and the
end of the Bible. We are the final generation.
And aside from direct Divine
intervention—which I do not discount—those who did not make provisions
beforehand shall have to either starve to death or worship the beast. As
for me, I prefer to be ready. I feel that I (we) should do all that we can
do on our own, and then count on God to help with that which we cannot
accomplish on our own. Others like to sit on their duffs expecting
God to move miracles every time that they are ready for dinner. But I do
believe that God shall help those faithful who cannot help
themselves.
Christian, prepare; make provisions and
contingency plans. Please don't find yourself remembering this day as
you march up to get your mark of the beast to feed your hungry children.
I know that you and all true Christians shall never serve or worship
satan/antichrist and his beast system. But understand just exactly
what satan/antichrist and his servant minions has planned for you if you
don't. You just read in the above verse of Revelation 13:15. We
know that "God don't play." But neither shall satan be playing.
Satan/antichrist shall be fighting for all the marbles, and he shall be
"playing for keeps." It isn't that satan gets a victory over God—this
is not possible, of course—but it is God Himself who gives satan this
power, for a moment, to fulfill the negative part of His prophesies.
"And [antichrist/satan]
deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the
beast" (Rev 13:14). Just as God hardened Pharaoh's heart those
ten times to fulfill the negative part of prophecy.
Exodus 9:12
12 And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he
hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had spoken unto Moses. KJV
[See also: Ex 9:12, 10:20, 10:27, 11:10, 14:8.]
New Testament
documentation:
Romans 9:17-23
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same
purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew
my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the
earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will
he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath
resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the
thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one
vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power
known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath
[people] fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the
vessels of mercy [people],
which he had afore prepared unto glory, KJV
Peace
to you in Christ Jesus.
PS:
May I close this with an article sent in by another reader?
Bush Calls Out the
Army To Enforce the Bailout
By Jeffrey Steinberg
Oct 8, 2008
Executive Intelligence Review
Source
This article appears in the
October 10, 2008 issue of Executive
Intelligence Review.
During his Oct. 1
international
webcast, American statesman and economist
Lyndon LaRouche delivered a blunt warning that there is a clear
indication that "a desperate Bush Administration, and what it's tied to
internationally," is prepared to turn the U.S. military against the
American people.
They might try
to use military force, to force through the kind of legislation, the
bailout, which is being attempted now,.
There is a "French
Revolutionary" mood building among the American people against the
destruction of their nation through Bush Administration policy, and the
bailout of Wall Street speculators in particular, LaRouche said. The
people hate this bill.
"And there's an
instinct in this administration, to use military force against the
people of the United States to suppress the opposition to this bill.
LaRouche pointedly
warned:
This is
reality, right now! Not something 'coming down': That is already the
reality,
If this bill
were to be pushed through, with or without the aid of military force
against the American people by American troops—which are now being
stationed for this kind of operation—the United States will
disappear, in very short order. And civilization would crash,
globally.
The Die Is Cast
On Oct. 3, the
House of Representatives reversed an earlier vote and passed the Paulson
bailout bill, following a similar Oct. 1 capitulation by the U.S.
Senate. Just hours later, President Bush signed the bill into law,
setting the stage for precisely the kind of showdown that LaRouche
identified in his webcast.
As LaRouche warned,
the bailout bill, if passed, will not stabilize the banking system. It
will lead to immediate hyperinflation, a dramatic collapse of the U.S.
dollar, and a level of global economic disintegration, unprecedented
since the 14th-Century collapse of the Lombard banking system, which
wiped out one-third of the population of Europe in a matter of two
generations.
In later remarks
during the webcast, LaRouche was even more blunt about the Bush
Administration's deployment of troops inside the United States, and the
likely reaction:
If American
troops, ordered by the President, turn on the American people to
suppress the opposition to this bill, the United States will cease
to exist! This is worse than treason! Any such action, from any
part of government, is worse than treason! And anyone who accepts
such an order, is a traitor to the United States.
A Sept. 30 report
in Army Times underscored LaRouche's warning. The paper
reported that the 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team is
being given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom inside the United States,
beginning Oct. 1.
Army Times
elaborated:
The 3rd
Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last
60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore
essential services and escorting supply convoys. Now they're
training for the same mission—with a twist—at home.
Beginning Oct.
1, for 12 months, the 1st BTC will be under the day-to-day control
of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command,
as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade
emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.... This new
mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a
dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in
2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense
efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities. After
1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that
another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that
the mission will be a permanent one.
Army Times
confirmed that the combat brigade, which will total about 4,600 troops,
may be called
upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with
potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos
in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or
high-yield explosive, or CBRNE [chemical, biological,
radiological/nuclear, and explosive incidents] attack.
In addition,
The 1st BTC's
soldiers will learn how to use 'the first ever nonlethal package
that the Army has fielded,' 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier
said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal
weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without
killing them.
Army Times
also reported,
The brigade
will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next
year as CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF.
LaRouche had
already denounced former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's creation of
NorthCom back in 2002, declaring that it was a "preparation to create a
Caesarian military dictatorship" over North America.
'Crossing the Rubicon'
LaRouche's image
was precise. In 49 BC, Julius Caesar ordered the Roman Legions to cross
the Rubicon, a river that defined the borders of Italy proper, violating
an ancient law forbidding Roman troops to enter Italian territory. The
event plunged the Roman Republic into a bloody civil war.
During his Oct. 1
webcast, LaRouche also drew the parallel between the Bush-Cheney
actions—putting U.S. Army units into action against the American
people—and the French Revolution. Despite the best efforts of
pro-American republicans, led by the Marquis de Lafayette, to establish
a Constitutional monarchy, King Louis XVI, in response to the infamous
"Queen's Necklace Affair," invited Austrian troops to occupy the streets
of France to defend the Crown. This action fed directly into the British
Foreign Office plans to destroy France in a river of Jacobin blood. The
French population, already enraged at the horrid economic conditions
imposed on them, revolted against the foreign troops deployed against
them. The rage was orchestrated by a legion of British East India
Company-paid agents, under the control of Lord Shelburne and Jeremy
Bentham. Soon, the violence spread out of control and led, ultimately,
to the fascist dictatorship of Napoleon Bonaparte and a generation of
European-wide war.
A deployment of
U.S. combat troops onto the streets of the United States, at this moment
of total economic and monetary disintegration, could, LaRouche warned,
trigger precisely such rage by millions of Americans.
Other Police State Actions
In addition to the
unprecedented deployment of an Army combat brigade inside the United
States—a flagrant violation of the posse comitatus law—other
actions have been quietly taken by the Bush Administration that fit the
same pattern. The Wall Street Journal reported on Oct. 1 that
the $634 billion spending bill that recently passed Congress, to fund
the Federal government through March 2009, contained a provision for the
creation of the National Applications Office (NAO), an agency that will
provide Federal, state, and local officials with access to domestic
military spy satellite data "to assist with emergency response and other
domestic-security needs." The law was passed with the NAO provision,
despite a 60-page Government Accountability Office report, warning that
the office could violate existing laws protecting privacy and civil
liberties.
And on Oct. 4, the
Washington Post reported that the Justice Department has issued
a set of new FBI guidelines which
allows
investigators to recruit informants, employ physical surveillance
and conduct interviews in which agents disguise their identities in
an effort to assess national security threats. FBI agents could
pursue each of those steps without any single fact indicating a
person has ties to a terrorist organization.
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The Tribulation; who are the enemies during
the various stages of the Trib?
A reader writes:
Subject: A place to go to?
Hi Nick,
Haven't mailed you in quite a while. I am the guy that pretty much
started the "what will happen during the Millenium" questions on your
site a few years ago.
My question now has to do with your advice that we should have a place
to go when Martial Law occurs. I can't say I disagree with what you're
saying; but I was wondering if you might comment on a couple of
things....
First, what kind of place are you thinking of. I, and pretty much
everyone in my circle of friends and coworkers don't own cottages, etc.
Wish I did. And the couple of people I do know who have cottages --
they're located on or near lakes and in somewhat populated areas. So...
where does someone like me go?
The second thought then, is it possible for the many like me that is
necessary to learn to trust God for our provision and protection? Don't
get me wrong... I'm doing what I can with my limited resources. Storing
food, buying a propane heater, etc. And though I don't live in a large
city with gangs, I'm not naive; I know that there will be panic and even
the "Christian" population of my sleepy little WASP town could get very
surly. But is it our duty to protect ourselves? It can be confusing --
David and others fled; even the Lord did on a couple of occasions. But
what about Daniel? Or Shadrach and the boys? And ultimately Jesus.
Doesn't surrounding our lives to the Lord and being "crucified with
Christ" involve putting our lives -- and our futures in His hands? Would
killing someone -- even to protect ourselves or loved ones -- be
following the example of Christ?
I hope you don't feel I'm being derisive here. These are just thoughts I
am grappling with. There is so much at stake.
Thanks.
Answer:
Hello. No, you are not at all being derisive. In
fact, you are being wise. You and so many others realize that
something—what for sure you do not know—but that definitely something
cataclysmic is going to happen to forever alter the fabric of American (and
global) society. Things are heating up right now, but they could settle
back down overnight. These things have a tendency to flare up then settle
down.
What this does is it lulls people into a
state of complacency, until at last "the big one" comes and all the stops are
pulled out and in a week's time America is under a military dictatorship.
The finishing touches of the provisions for such an act have already been
completed by Pres. Bush as of last year. Every order and provision and law
is currently in place for such a military takeover should the president be
compelled to sign a table full of documents; something that would take five
minutes. After that, all the plans of operation go live. No further
order from the President is then needed—everything runs on autopilot.
Congress is suspended for six months. What kind of America will there be
after those six months? Will Congress ever be reconvened? Or will
they have been "disappeared" or permanently disbanded? Or will they have
sold their country out for a safe and stocked place in the FEMA bunkers for
their families?
And what will stronger nations do while
America is weakened? Will Russia and China, with their 200,000,000 man
army send us food or landing parties? Will they "help" us with Martial Law
troops? Will they ever be content to leave? China could definitely use
some new real estate for their overpopulation. California might look good,
or the Eastern Seaboard. Why not take it all, since you have the troops on
the ground and all the guns? Am I saying that this will happen?
No, I cannot know; but I know that it could happen.
This is not unprecedented, this is not
"bizarre conspiracy ramblings," ask the pre-1917 Russians and the pre-1939
Germans just how fast one's world can change through military crackdown and/or
revolution. In 1917 the Kingdom of Russia ceased to exist, being replaced
by the (Judaic-controlled till this day secretly, I might add) Atheist Communist
USSR. After WWII Germany ceased to exist as the nation that it was before
the war, becoming a debt-slave West Germany ("reparations" to the Jews and
Israel) and an East Germany under (Judaic-controlled) Communist enslavement.
Yes, I know that Germany is now unified—some four decades later. But after
how many tears?
Is fleeing indicative of faithlessness?
You bring up a good point that I have not
hitherto emphasized. That being that several times Jesus Himself fled from
the Jews when they had surrounded Him and were to kill Him. One example is
below, but there were a couple more times:
John 8:57-59
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast
thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was,
I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went
out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
KJV
The problem, sir, is Communism, always has
been. Communism, to quote prominent Talmudic rabbis, is Judaism.
“Some call it Marxism
[Communism]—I call it Judaism.”
— Rabbi S. Wise, The American Bulletin, May 5, 1935.
"There is much in the fact of
Bolshevism [Communism]
itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of
Bolshevism are consonant with many of the highest ideals of Judaism."
— Jewish Chronicle, London, April 4, 1919.
"The Bolshevist
[Communist] revolution in Russia
was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish
planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was
performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and
because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also,
through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all
over the world." — The American Hebrew.
September 10, 1920.
"In violent opposition to all this
sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. ... This
movement [Communism]
among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of
Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg
(Germany) and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for
the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the
basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible
equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs
[Nesta] Webster, has so
ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French
Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during
the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary
personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America
have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become
practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
— Sir Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
(1940-45, 1951-55), in "Bolshevism, A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish
People", London Illustrated Herald, 8 Feb 1920. (Mr. Churchill
was himself a crypto-Jew, which makes his testimony all the more valuble.)
I would
tweak the definition to: Judaism unleashed. No, not "your father's
Communism," to use a metaphor, nor the prettied-up Communism taught of in the
controlled universities of today, but a global Communism leading to a
dictatorship by a small cabal of International Judaics. It's the same
model that they used in 1917 Russia. They inspired the workers of the
nation—Russian people mind you!—to revolt; "Workers of the world unite," to quote
the Communist banner. And unite in Russia they did, and they revolted
against their own government. And then, to their horror, in the chaos was
unleashed the Reign of Terror that follows all revolutions. All opponents,
all who could resist or lead a resistance—the clergy, police, intelligentsia,
military leaders, politicians, patriots, dissidents—these were all murdered in
the night while the Russian people were being told how they are being
"liberated." Later, when the blood couldn't flow fast enough, under the
crypto-Jew Stalin, some 40 million Russian peasants were force-starved while
their produce was sold on the international market. Cannibalism was widely
reported in the provinces. And I mean literal cannibalism.
The rest, as they say, is history. The Russian people, once a great
Christian Kingdom, had been seduced to lay their own chains upon themselves and
dig their own graves. Can't happen in America, some would say? Okay,
go to the back of the class or just go back to sleep—like your Russian
counterparts above did in the months before November 7, 1917 (Gregorian
calendar). In a year's time millions of them "disappeared," later to be followed,
through circa 1945, all tolled, by the rest of the 140 million souls chewed up
by the Judeo-Communist killing machine. (An excellent, and most
recommended book on the Jewish Bolshevik Revolution in Russia is
Under The Sign of the Scorpion by Juri Lina. Take your lunch
money today and buy a copy of this book for yourself and one for anybody you
know who thinks that the "Jews" are the perennial victims of this world—they
will never be the same. It's better to not eat tomorrow than to not get
this book.)
Who are the leaders of this global cabal?
Some call the system and conspirators,
Illuminati, some call them Freemasons, some Jesuits, some "the Jews," some CFR,
some international 'bankers," Trilateral Commission, Club of Rome,
Rosicrucian's, European Nobility, etc. ad nauseam—call them whatever you
like—they are all units of the same troop, and that troop takes its orders from
a remarkably small cadre of men who call themselves "Jews." All "Jewish"
people??? No! Only their leaders, men we have never seen publically,
or when we did we see them did not know that we were looking at the absolute
masters of this globe. We will learn of them when it is to late to resist
them. My, is it not already too late for the world to resist them? "Who
is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" (Rev 13:4b).
Currently they are displaying our weakness to the power of their purse. A
lesson we will bitterly remember.
"We, the Jews, are a people - one
people. When we sink, we become revolutionary proletariat, the subordinate
officers of a revolutionary party; when we rise, there arises also our
terrible power of the purse." — Theodore Herzl
[considered to be the father of modern Zionism] in The Jewish State,
1896.
Those who know the leaders (absolute
rulers) best, call them Kenites, I refer to them as International Judaics—same
thing really. And does it really matter who they are since they are
obviously winning in their six-thousand year struggle to wrestle God's world
from His hands? It does matter to me, which is why I identify them by
name. My work would be so much more widely accepted if I buckled under
like so many other "conspiracy theorists" and left off of mentioning the "J"
word or speaking of the "Jewish Question," as it has been called for centuries
by Christians and patriots in scores of Christian nations. It isn't right
that they can get away with this without being identified as the culprits (and
for the deeper thinkers, you will find that they [the International Judaics, the
leadership] actually are quite content at this late stage to be identified,
fully sure that their plans have progressed so far that they are now
unstoppable). After all, the thing most sought by hidden rulers is to be
openly adored as omnipotent. What good is being master if the slaves don't
know it and don't revere you accordingly? It's like being rich but you
can't spend any money. This "wandering Jew," "persecuted victim" thing is
getting old for the rulers of pax Judaica. Men from whom presidents
and kings beg loans of are getting good and sick and tired of playing humbled,
deported, Holocausted, dispossessed, wandering victims. God help us when
it is "revenge" time!
And Revelation chapter thirteen documents
from the breath of the Lord Jesus Christ that they do get away with it,
for a time, until the end; that is to say, until the Second Advent; whereafter
they and all who helped them shall ultimately be deposited into the Lake of Fire
forever to perish. "And they worshipped the
dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the
beast" (Rev 13:4a), "And all that
dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in
the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev
13:8). But until then we must survive.
Once again, I must reiterate that when I
speak of this conspiracy of the International Judaics, I am not saying that all
"Jewish" people are involved. And that disclaimer isn't gratuitous, I
really do mean it. But that is not to say that the average religious "Jew"
is any friend to Christians. After all, they gloat in their "holy" book,
the Talmud, and in their Talmudic academies over the murder of our
Messiah. But why charge anybody with more than they do? The leaders
of Jewry (and the world) are the guilty party, and they use some "Jews" and some
"Gentiles" to bring about their plans. The average "Jewish" person needs
not worry about being charged by us with conspiracy to bring about world
domination, they have enough on their plate facing Judgment Day as an
unbeliever. If they believe even only the Old Testament they know this
means eternal death.
Deuteronomy 18:15-19
15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of
thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the
day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my
God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they
have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto
thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all
that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my
words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
KJV
John 14:6-9
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no
man cometh unto the Father, but
by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from
henceforth ye know him,
and have seen
him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou
not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath
seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? KJV
Acts 3:12-23
12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel,
why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our
own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our
fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him
in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be
granted unto you;
15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead;
whereof we are witnesses.
16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye
see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect
soundness in the presence of you all.
17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also
your rulers.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his
prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted
out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all
things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since
the world began.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your
God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in
all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear
that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. KJV
John 14:6-9
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no
man cometh unto the Father, but
by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from
henceforth ye know him,
and have seen
him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou
not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath
seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? KJV
This is the One that they caused to be
murdered on a cross. And the religion handed down of those whom had Christ
crucified (by their false witness before Pilate), which is known to us
today as Rabbinic Judaism, is being followed by just under half of all "Jewish"
people today (the other over 50% of the world's "Jews" today are Atheists
[so-called "Secular Jews"]). Bearing this in mind, one wonders what powers
were brought to bear to delude Christians today into believing that the "Jews"
are actually God's Chosen people, instead of the Christians being them.
Anyway, that spirit (of antichrist) is in the Judaics, just as the Spirit of God
(the Holy Spirit) is in all true Christians. These are the real two
combatants, everybody else on this Earth is just along for the ride. This
was begun in the Garden of Eden (Gen 3:15), continued in the Gospels (John
18:14, Luke 23:46) and completed in Revelation at the Second Advent (Rev
19:11-19). But because they are a small people (.02% of the global
population and 2% of America's population) they must use surrogates and
conspiracies to even the odds.
Daniel 11:23
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he
[antichrist/satan] shall come up, and shall
become strong with a small people. KJV
By the way, the above verse precludes the
Catholic Church from being the endtime conspirators behind the New World Order,
as some theorists presume; for, Catholics comprise almost one-sixth of the
planet's inhabitants. There is only one "small people" on this Earth that
has the power to install antichrist/satan. Need I mention the Judaics
again?
Back to the subject. Back to
survival and doing what we can to survive the Tribulation till the Second
Advent. Survival is the most basic instinct that God gave us. A
drowning man will force his wife under water to keep his own mouth above the
waves. And aside from fine intentions and grand declarations, rare is the
man that will sacrifice his life for another; if, that is, he has a last seconds
chance to pull out of it. That is a hard thing to say, but true. It
is pure human instinct divorced from the soul, the flesh against the spirit.
Fueled by sheer terror and extreme panic the rational will of man gives way to
their baser primal instincts. Look at the 911 victims who we saw
consciously leap to certain death from 90th-story windows to escape the smoke
and flames. Under normal circumstances leaping out of high windows in not
considered rational, but when faced with a situation that brings into direct
conflict three basic instincts, the need for breath, and an aversion to pain and
death, they chose death. God bless them, for they suffered in their last
moments in ways that we shudder to comprehend. My point is that the will
to survive is a God-given fundamental instinct. And therefore, seeking to
survive the beast in the Tribulation is no sin, nor is it any lack of faith.
And wouldn't those poor souls who leaped to death from those windows on 911 have
loved to have been forewarned, whereby they would have stayed home and called in
sick for work that day? Well, God has forewarned you of the Tribulation,
He wrote it in a book. And I wonder if unprepared endtime Christians will
feel as bad as the 911 victims would have felt if they had gotten
the warning from a most credible source, but went to work in the towers
that day anyway?
Point made?
I have a Scripture. And please
understand that I am in no way referring to myself by posting the below—I am
nothing—all true Christians should be watchmen. But I have a Scripture:
Ezekiel 33:1-6
33 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I
bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their
coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and
warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not
warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be
upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his
blood shall be upon him.
But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul
[life].
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the
people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among
them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the
watchman's hand. KJV
Moving on...
And no, to answer your
earlier question, it is not a sin to kill someone in self defense and self
preservation. It is a sin to murder, it is no sin to kill.
Did not even God Himself call for Capital Punishment on Earth for certain sins?
Then whence comes this Christian aversion to justified killing? They
didn't get it from God's Bible. The word "kill" in "Thou shalt not kill,"
is translated as murder from the Hebrew. Jesus Christ Himself
clarified this when He outlined the Ten Commandments: "He
saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt
not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness"
(Matt 19:18). And we have a Bible study on the matter at:
When a Christian takes a
life.
You ask:
"Doesn't surrounding our lives to the
Lord and being "crucified with Christ" involve putting our lives -- and
our futures in His hands?"
You're a good man. The
martyrs shall be most richly blessed (Rev 20:4). But it is one thing to
offer yourself up, and quite another to offer your family up with you.
The
martyrs
Revelation 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto
them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the
witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the
beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their
foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years. KJV
And I do put my fate in God's
hands, how could I be here if not for Him? How could any of us make it
without Him? All the preparations in the world won't help you if God is
not for you. I just believe in teaching preparation. It may be that
I have no preparations; if I did I would not tell it here.
But the fact that many
Christians shall die in the Tribulation is amply documented in Scripture, which
Scriptures I have put together in a Bible study (and after lo six years now not
a man has been able to refute my study; and many have sought to—I was even
kicked-off of an ostensive-Christian Internet Forum for what I wrote in this
study); and this Bible study is at:
Scriptural Evidences That
Christians Shall Die In The Great Tribulation. It would be so much
more comforting if I was wrong in that study. Heck, it would be so much
more comforting if the false Rapture theory were actually true. But it is
not. The Scriptural
Evidences... study is quite well documented, if I may be so bold to say.
And it gave me no pleasure to write it, it gives me no pleasure to know it.
But God told us of it in His Bible, therefore we were to know it.
And for any Rapturists who may be reading this, we also have what I believe is a
well documented Bible study on the false Rapture theory, it is at:
The Rapture Theory; What
Does God's Word Say About It? To date this study has also not been
refuted through Scripture. Though many have tried these five or six
years to do so. And ironically, many of their objections were instrumental
in strengthening the case against any Rapture by refuting them with
Scriptural witness. The truth is the truth; I don't care what some
preacher says. Check out his words with the words of God in
His Bible.
Okay, that's the "doom and
gloom." But now, I must also state here clearly that not all
Christians shall die—far from it—many shall be protected, as you are counting
on. How many we are not told, but we see them alive on Earth at the Second
Advent (1st Thes 4:17). There are two groups, at two separate times, that
are Divinely protected during the Tribulation, these are found in the below two
Scriptures:
First part of the Tribulation (satan/antichrist not yet here -
Rev 13:1-10, "And I...saw a beast rise up..." ):
Revelation 12:6
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of
God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore
days [42 months - Rev 13:5].
KJV
Second part of the Tribulation (satan/antichrist is here - Rev 13:11-18,
"and I beheld another beast..."):
Revelation 12:14
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might
fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time,
and times, and half a time [??? months, presumably 5
months - Rev 9:5 & 10], from the face of the
serpent. KJV
These are direct acts of God,
and satan and his minions are powerless to harm these two groups of Christians.
However, if we continued Rev 12:14 above, and follow it down a couple more
verses, we see that satan then goes away and attacks other Christians
that are not in the above groups:
Revelation 12:14-17
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might
fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time,
and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman,
that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and
swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with
the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have
the testimony of Jesus Christ. KJV
So, not all Christians die, and not all
Christians live. Which group shall you be in? Which group shall I be
in? Which group shall any of us be in? God knows.
You asked:
"My question now has to do with your advice that we
should have a place to go when Martial Law occurs. I can't say I
disagree with what you're saying; but I was wondering if you might
comment on a couple of things....
First, what kind of place are you thinking of. I, and pretty much
everyone in my circle of friends and coworkers don't own cottages, etc.
Wish I did. And the couple of people I do know who have cottages --
they're located on or near lakes and in somewhat populated areas. So...
where does someone like me go?"
We Christians have three basic enemies in
the Tribulation; first we have the mob, second we have the New World Order
enforcers, third we have antichrist/satan himself. These three main
enemies confront us at different times and in different manners. All three
are unequally dangerous to us.
The mob is the most dangerous enemy for
most Christians. By "mob" I mean the unruly masses of people that shall be
frenzied as the International Judaics dawn the Tribulation through a sever
oppression and depression of the peoples and their world. We have written
extensively of these and need not say any more than to say that when the
haves come into direct contact with the have-nots at a time when the
have-nots are "not having"—and in an environment void of any civil order
or effective police forces—then the haves are set upon by the
have-nots. Law of the jungle, strong over the weak; that sort of
thing. Big lions don't starve while there are little lions eating nearby.
Obviously, if the haves are not in the same place as the have-nots,
then the haves are safe. This is why distance is so important.
Remote is best, low-populated is better than nothing. The more people the
more danger from within and without. People draw the security forces and
they become problematic when they become have-nots. And it is
simply physically impossible to share what you have with all of them; if you
try, while a noble thing to do, soon you too shall become a have-not.
Then you either take from someone else or you turn yourself in to the supplied
areas in the cities for registration (and the "mark" of the beast").
Obviously this is not desirable in either case.
The second enemy to the true Christian,
should they not be in the two aforementioned protected groups spoken of earlier
(Rev 12:6 & 14), is the commanders of the forces that are subduing the nation.
These won't bother sending troops into the smaller areas to subdue the people
for logistics sake. The cities are easy to surround and pacify, but
sparsely populated areas are very personnel-intensive to control/occupy.
Only high-value targets will be pursued in the lesser populated areas at this
time. This time lasts 42 months, three and a half years. Food is
obviously going to have to be stored and/or produced during this period, unless
you want to go into the cities for food from the beast's people. A trip
from which you will never return, or which you will never be the same after.
Happily, about ninety-nine percent of Christians are not high-value
targets at this time.
So, for the first part of the Tribulation
and the lion's share of the time (some 89% of it, if our calculations are
correct - 42 Months + 5 months), a wise man can survive quite well, and with his
commitment to Christ Jesus intact. But it gets worse.
The final enemy that true Christians shall
face, should they not be in the two aforementioned protected groups spoken of
earlier (Rev 12:6 & 14), will be antichrist/satan himself and his fallen angels.
It is here that only God can help us. How do you hide from supernatural
angels and the devil? But once again, those in the more remote areas will
not draw attention. Unless you are one of the ones that God has set to be
delivered up for a witness against antichrist/satan. Then God is with you
and all fear of death and harm evaporate. Why fear anything when God is
talking to and through you? Pain and terror do not exist for you.
Remember Steven, even while in the midst of dying from the stone hits he prayed
forgiveness for his murderers. Let me say this, but don't ask me to easily
document it, but I believe it to be true: there shall not be one martyr for
Jesus Christ who is not doing it willingly. That is why they
are rewarded in Rev 20:4. You get rewarded for a job well done not for
suffering a tragic end. Once again remember our first martyr of the
Christian era after Christ Jesus, Steven; he could have chosen to remain silent
before his Jewish assailants and they would not have murdered him. But he
chose to deliver God's words against them, and for that they murdered him as
they have done since all time.
Incidentally, we know that Jesus Christ
was delivered to death by false accusations (by false witnesses):
Matthew 26:59-60
59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false
witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they
none. At the last came two false witnesses, KJV
but many do not remember that Steven was also
delivered by these false witnesses. Observe:
Acts 6:8-13
8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among
the people.
9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called
the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of
them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he
spake.
11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous
words against Moses, and against God.
12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came
upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,
13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth
not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:
KJV
There is no reason to assume
that they won't bring false witness against endtime Christians. Another
reason to not be around them and the areas that they control at that time.
Also incidentally, these
certain "Jews" that were referred to in the above are not the fathers of over
99% of modern day so-called "Jews." For, 95% of today's "Jews" are Khazars
who are not blood related to the Israelites (or Judah) of the Bible. These
are self-called Ashkenazi Jews, and are descended from the
Turko-Mongoloid Khazar hoards, a true Gentile people. Another 4% of Jews
today are Sephardic Jews which were converts in Spain from the
surrounding Gentiles, and are also not related to the Israel or Judah people of
the Bible. The "Jews" of today, few in number, who are
related to these particular false "Jews" who had Christ killed, are the Kenites,
the sons of Cain. Jesus spoke to them:
John 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do [and they always have till this day].
He was a murderer from the beginning [Cain,
satan's/serpent's son, the 1st murderer], and
abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a
lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
KJV
Then what happened to the true Israel and
Judah people? They migrated North and West over the Caucasus Mountains
(acquiring the name Caucasian) and settled what would later become Christian
Europe and Christian North America, just as prophesied. These people, true
Israel and 50,000 of true Judah left Assyria near the time
that Persia overtook Assyria circa the fifth century B.C. and were not among
those in Jerusalem when Messiah came, and therefore did not participate
neither by hand or vote in the destruction of the Messiah Jesus Christ. And
the few true Israel/Judah people that were in the region at that
time of Christ were deported by the Romans in A.D. 69-70, returning to their
mixed brethren in Babylon. Thoroughly intermixing with the Assyrian stock
in Babylon for seven centuries they ceased being of Israel/Judah blood.
Later these would be among the rabbis that were fetched by the
Turko-Mongoloid by blood Khazars to convert them to Talmudism in circa the
A.D. eighth century. these Khazars today are the fathers of circa 95% of
so-called Jews today, the Ashkenazi Jews.
So, ironically, it is not technically
accurate to call the modern day "Jew" a Christ-killer because they
are nary related to those who killed Christ. But their leaders are, their
religion is. And when a "Jew" swears allegiance to the religion of Judaism
they take on the spirit of those who killed Christ, just as Christians take
on the spirit of Christ (the Holy Spirit) when they convert to Christianity
and are changed profoundly. Christians, when they take on Christianity take
on salvation, "Jews" when they take on Judaism take on spiritual death,
antichrist'ism. Judaism is the direct descendant of the religion of the
Pharisees which killed Christ, and their Talmud brags of it.
Below is the one prominent Judaic of his day, observe his words:
“Pharisaism
became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and
Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these
changes in name...the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered.
When the Jew studies the Talmud, he is actually repeating the arguments used
in the Palestinian academies. From Palestine to Babylonia; from Babylonia
to North Africa, Italy, Spain, France, and Germany; from these to Poland,
Russia, and eastern Europe generally, ancient Pharisaism has wandered. . .
Rabbinic Judaism, the first-born child of Pharisaism, remains a unit
until this day” ― Rabbi Louis Finkelstein, pg.
XXI of the Forward to the 1st Edition of The Pharisees―The Sociological
Background of Their Faith, Vol. 1, Philadelphia: The Jewish Publication
Society of America, 1938 & Vol. 2, p. 622.
I feel like I am all over the
place here, digression upon digression. Nevertheless, you asked me to
answer your question, and this is what came out.
One more thing. I may
have been misunderstood when I said that we should arm ourselves for the time to
come. This is not because I feel that we can resist an occupying force.
It is for the bandits. How do you fight an army detachment? But you
can fight a band of bandits and thieves, rapists or whatever the have-nots
will digress into. Don't think that when a squad of soldiers or police
forces come to your house that you can just shoot one of them and they will go
away. Hardly, you will become their main mission. And they will have
air power. Look at what happens in Iraq when the insurgency holes-up in a
house and shoots at U.S. troops. It isn't too long till a hundred pound
bomb crashes through the roof or a rocket-powered grenade flies through a
window. No, with the forces that are doing the roundups, you must escape
and evade. Obviously, this is easier to do if you are in an area that they
aren't. A word to the wise is sufficient.
Remote is best, sparsely populated is
better than the cities. In the cities you will either be dead or a hell-bound
beast-worshipper, there is no third option once you fall into their hands:
Revelation 13:14-18
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that
dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had
the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image
of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not
worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond,
to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name
of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the
beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred
threescore and six. KJV
But
there is something worse than death:
Revelation 14:9-12
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man
worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in
his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out
without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented
with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the
presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they
have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and
whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the
commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. KJV
To me, making preparations and getting out of the way of the storm is
a no-brainer. But I tend to think in a very logical manner.
And it is hard to do work for God later in
the Tribulation if you are killed by a bunch of thugs for your food and women in
the first few weeks of it. Those who die in the Reign of Terror are not
martyrs, the martyrs come later when the beast system comes into full power.
You must "rightly divide" according to time. So, if you want to be
a martyr for Jesus Christ then you still have to prepare to live long enough
till the time when faith in Christ becomes a criminal offense. This could
take upwards of a year or more.
Listen, we really don't know exactly what
is going to happen, it could be that I am wrong—I do not claim Divine
inspiration—I interpret the Scriptures and compare them to the situation on the
ground in our present time.
But what if I am right?
Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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Women: prophesying, preaching? And
what is the difference between prophesying and preaching?
A (female) reader writes:
Hello,
I would like to say thank-you for the information on your website. I
like the writings about women and their role. Feminism is sick and the
cause of many problems, but unfortunately when you go around saying that
women are subject to their husband, people think you’re nuts. Now I’m
not saying it is then right for a man to walk all over a woman, and
never give her a say in anything (I live in a Mennonite community, where
this abuse is quite frequent). I know in my relationship, I’ll do
anything for my man (even when I want something different), yet he
doesn’t treat me as a slave, and listens to my voice on matters. But
neither do I slam him down if he chooses against my wishes. Anyways, the
matter I have a little confusion with is regarding women preachers. I
agree that a woman should not be in control, whether it be in a house or
a church. However, we have a small home church, and before we start the
service, we share what the Lord has done for us, or what He has shown
us, all those with a testimony, whether male or female, young or old.
The Lord obviously works in both male and female (and if not, then that
person probably has a problem). My question is, if God does something
for me, am I to keep quiet about Him?
Thank-you.
Answer:
Hello. How refreshing; a Christian woman
who actually seeks to live her life as the Lord intended (and ordered).
How strange your letter must sound to today's Feminist-minded "modern women" in
the churches!
You are correct that women are
not to lead the man nor to lead the church, that is easy to document and I'll
just post two Scriptures (out of many available) to establish the fact:
Ephesians 5:22-25
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the
Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the
head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the
wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave
himself for it; KJV
1 Timothy 2:7-15
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth
in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without
wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with
shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or
costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not [allow not]
a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in
silence.
[And below is the reason why:]
13 For [because]
Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And [continuing the reason]
Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived
was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in
faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. KJV
For:
Greek word #1063 gar (gar); a primary particle; properly,
assigning a reason (used in argument, explanation or
intensification; often with other particles): KJV - and, as,
because (that), but, even, for, indeed, no doubt, seeing, then,
therefore, verily, what, why, yet. (Biblesoft's
New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded
Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc.
and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
What we are to take from this
is that women are more easily deceived, more gullible. This may not be a
Politically Correct thing to say; but think about it objectively. Women
have been deceived and betrayed by men all down through history. And if
the head of the family or the head of the church is someone who is more
predisposed to being deceived by a smooth delivery, then that family and that
church are set for destruction; for satan shall tempt the family and the church.
Regarding verse fourteen above, where some see a contradiction, but there is no
contradiction when the Scripture is read carefully: it is not saying that
Adam didn't sin; what it is saying is that Adam wasn't deceived by satan (the
serpent), he had obeyed God. Until, that is, Eve came on the scene,
allowed herself to be deceived by satan, and did the forbidden. Then
she—and not the serpent (satan)—deceived Adam. The serpent had no
conversation with Adam. Satan uses women in this manner till this day.
And many a man has been ruined along with his family; and in the case of clergy,
also his ministry has suffered. Observe:
Genesis 3:1-6
3 Now the serpent [satan - see Rev 12:9]
was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And
he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree
of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees
of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath
said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[the first recorded lie in the Bible, which is why satan is referred to as
'the father (founder) of lies' in John 8:44]
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be
opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman
saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes,
and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof,
and did eat, and gave also
unto her husband with her; and he did eat. KJV
And in God's sentence (punishment) upon Eve—and by
extension upon all women, for they have the nature of Eve—we see the foundation
of the gender roles which today's feminism-overthrown women rebel against:
Genesis 3:16
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy
conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall
be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. KJV
To the feminist-minded woman of today I might
ask along with apostle Paul:
Romans 9:20
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall
the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? KJV
And now to your main question; you stated:
"However, we have a small home church, and before we
start the service, we share what the Lord has done for us, or what He
has shown us, all those with a testimony, whether male or female, young
or old. The Lord obviously works in both male and female (and if not,
then that person probably has a problem). My question is, if God does
something for me, am I to keep quiet about Him?"
There is nothing wrong with a woman
sharing before services what blessings the Lord has done in her life.
However, there is a vast difference between "share what the Lord has done for
us", and "what He has shown us"; for, when one speaks of what He has done for
you, they are sharing information on how God has richly blessed them; thus
giving Him rightful praise for His great kindness and tender mercies.
However, when one shares "what He has shown us", as you say, they are in
effect saying that God had given them something to teach to the group.
Herein can lie danger. And not just for women but for men also. (And
I am not speaking this about you, per se.) Let me explain.
So often we hear a preacher say something
to the effect of "Let me share with you something God has shown me", or, "I have
a word from the Lord on...", or, "The Holy Spirit has laid on my heart...".
What they are saying, in effect, is that what follows is a teaching or
instruction that comes directly from God through them. Now, should
God have sent that minister (or person) a message for His people, then that
would be fine; however, most usually what they then go on to relate did not come
from God, but rather came from them, was something that they deduced or
figured out; or worse, something that they are trying to set forth for their own
reasons. We were warned of this phenomenon:
Jeremiah 23:21
[God speaking]
21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them,
yet they prophesied. KJV
In the above Scripture, by
means of the negative, we have contained the perfect, simplest, and most
complete definition of what a prophet is. A prophet is one who is sent from
God and who speaks God's words for God. There is no better
definition of a prophet. "We" tend to think of a prophet as just someone who
predicts the future or future events. And while a prophet often does predict
future events, that is not all that they do. A prophet speaks God's words or
words given to him directly from God. So, technically, the apostles of
the New Testament were also prophets, particularly those who wrote the books of
the New Testament. But we do not refer to the apostles as prophets so as to not
confuse them with the prophets of the Old Testament. But that apostles are also
prophets is contained within the definition of very word apostle; for
"apostle" means one sent forth. Sent forth from who? One sent forth
from God. And as we stated earlier, a prophet is "one who is sent from
God and who speaks God's words for God."
apostle: Greek word #652 apostolos (ap-os'-tol-os);
from NT:649; a delegate;
specially, an ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of
Christ ["apostle"] (with miraculous powers): KJV - apostle, messenger,
he that is sent.
NT:649
apostello (ap-os-tel'-lo); from NT:575 and NT:4724; set apart,
i.e. (by implication) to send out (properly, on a mission)
literally or figuratively: KJV - put in, send (away,
forth, out), set [at liberty].
Even our present day use
of the word "prophetic" reinforces the misconception of all the
duties/attributes of a prophet. For instance, when in common parlance someone
will say something to the effect of: "His predictions were prophetic", they do
not mean that they came from God; but rather that they were spot on, in
other words, that they came true. This causes confusion when we try to apply
modern day figures of speech with Bible word usage and meaning. Our modern
secular use of the word prophetic is no more helpful in understanding
the Bible's meaning of the word prophet than does, say, using the
phrase: "He flosses his teeth religiously", teach us anything about the Biblical
meaning of the concept of religion. This is why a
Strong's Concordance & Bible Dictionary is so very valuable to the Bible
student.
When any man in the Bible says: "Thus saith the Lord...", he is fulfilling the
office of prophet; for, a prophet speaks the words of God for God.
Bullinger agrees with me on this in his
Companion Bible,
appendix #49, ¶3:
Below are some more warnings
from both the Old and New Testaments about those who claim to speak words given
unto them from God, but which were not from God, but rather were from their own
imaginations (once again, I am not directing this at you, I am just covering
some data valuable to all):
Jeremiah 29:8-9
8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets
and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken
to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them,
saith the Lord. KJV
Ezekiel 13:2-8
2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say
thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye
the word of the Lord;
3 Thus saith the Lord God; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow
their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house
of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.
6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The Lord saith:
and the Lord hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope
that they would confirm the word.
7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying
divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
8 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen
lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord God. KJV
2 Peter 2:1-3
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there
shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in
damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon
themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of
truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of
you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation
slumbereth not. KJV
1 John 4:1
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of
God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
KJV
In closing, Scripture dictates that women
are restrained from preaching in the church, from leading the church, and from
domineering over their husbands. But they most certainly may share their
testimony on how they came to the Lord, and they may readily share news of the
blessings that God has bestowed upon them. They also may (should) witness
for Christ and Christianity where it is welcomed. So, basically all that
they are prohibited from is "running things", running the husband or running the
church. We have the common saying that says "Too many chefs spoil the
soup." That is because you can't have two bosses and no subordinates.
So, someone had to lead and someone had to follow. God made man the leader
and woman the follower. Does not nature even teach us so?
And look at today's dismal marriage
failure rate, where most women have been infected with various degrees of
feminist thought—over half of all marriages fail. This was not the case
back in the day where women conducted themselves like the Bible told them
to, or when they didn't they still had the shame to hide it, instead of
celebrating it openly as they do today; thus infecting the minds of a whole
generation of young women following them. "You've come a long way, baby,"
alright! And to not ascribe a substantial amount of responsibility to
Feminism for the marriage-divorce crises is to not be honest with ourselves.
And most certainly Feminism can be blamed for the lion's share of serial
non-marriage living-together arraignments. This was virtually unheard of
even four decades ago, except for "those kind of girls." Sadly, today, the
majority of girls are now "those kind of girls," even the "nice" ones.
They have been deluded by the you-know-whos and their media and social-change
agenda arms. Another sobering example of why God would not commit the
charge of the church to the woman.
Nevertheless, in the endtimes it is stated
that women shall also prophesy. And this is why it was necessary
for me earlier to firmly establish the definition of a prophet. A prophet
is not necessarily a teacher or preacher, though a prophet may teach and
preach. And a preacher or Bible teacher is not necessarily a
prophet, though a teacher or preacher may prophecy, should God use him.
So, in the below Scripture it is saying that in the endtimes women will also be
given a word from the Lord to share, but this does not mean that they will be
running churches and preaching at the heads of those churches. Observe:
Joel 2:28-31
[God speaking]
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that
I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your
daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young
men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those
days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire,
and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before
the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. KJV
So, it is not that God does not value women, or that
they have no use to Him; it is just that God made us all, and He set the
boundaries of gender roles and for the hierarchy of His church. In fact,
there have been women prophets (prophetesses), and there has been a female judge
in Israel, but there has not been female heads of church or preachers of
Scripture. Nor were women allowed to be priests in the Old Testament nor
to enter into the inner sanctum of the Temple. To say that there has been
is to cause the Scriptures to conflict. I say this because some
preachers wrongly tell women that the Bible is okay with women priests and
pastors, deacons and bishops, etc. When you are in a church with a female
pastor/preacher you are under a disobedient, defiant woman and a corrupt church.
2 Kings 22:14
14 So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah,
went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son
of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in
Jerusalem in the college;) and they communed with her. KJV
Exodus 15:20-21
20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a
timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and
with dances.
21 And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the Lord, for he hath triumphed
gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea. KJV
Judges 4:4
4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she
judged Israel at that time. KJV
Acts 21:8-9
8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto
Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was
one of the seven; and abode with him.
9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
KJV
The Bible clearly lays down the requirements for
church leadership, the deacons and bishops (church leaders) must be male, of
good character, and married to only one wife (polygamy was never rescinded in
the Bible, save for the clergy):
1 Timothy 3
1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a
bishop, he
desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,
vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient,
not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with
all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care
of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the
condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he
fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons
be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy
lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a
deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober,
faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their
children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to
themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ
Jesus.
14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave
thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the
pillar and ground of the truth.
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was
manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached
unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
KJV
And the female priests recorded in history
(but condemned in the Bible) were temple priestesses and they were prostitutes;
quite literally. The manner of worship exercised with these priestesses is
not fit to speak of on a Bible study website, but use your imagination.
Corroborating what I have just said is Mrs. Dilling (deceased) who in her
peerless 1963 volume, The Plot Against Christianity, states on page 24:
...Harlots and Dogs
The creative powers
were worshipped in all ancient pagan countries as the procreative powers
of male and female, with sex rites to match. Men who became priests to
the female goddess Venus, Mylitta, Astarte, or by whatever name, in a
wild orgy of drugged frenzy would castrate themselves with "sacred
swords" and then contribute part of their earnings as sodomists to the
upkeep of the pagan cult and temple, and would train, sell and rent dogs
for immoral purposes. Girls who became priestesses to the pagan temples
earned their keep and contributed to a cult's upkeep through their
earnings as "sacred prostitutes."
But Moses taught
that the worship of God was not to be maintained on such earnings. "Thou
shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the
house of the Lord thy God for any vow: for even both of these are
abomination unto the Lord thy God." (Deuteronomy
23:18)
The
[Jewish] Talmud, citing
Deuteronomy 23:19, makes this out of the
ruling: "There is not adultery in connection with an animal, because it
is written, 'Thou shalt not bring the hire of a harlot or the wages of a
dog,' etc., and it has been taught: 'The hire of a dog and the wages of
a harlot' are permissible, as it is said, 'Even both of these are an
abomination unto the Lord' —the two specified in the text are
abominations but not four." Then the permission is given to use for the
temple: "Money given by a man to a harlot to associate with his dog.
Such an association is not legal adultery. If a man had a female slave
who was a harlot and he exchanged her for an animal, it could be
offered." (Sotah 26b Talmud,
Exhibit 168)
Abodah Zarah of the
Talmud takes up this same "matter of a harlot's hire which is permitted
— To be devoted to the Temple, in spite of the Law of
Deut. XXIII, 19." (actually,
verse 18) The man is permitted to do this: "If
he gave her it [the money] and subsequently had intercourse with her, or
had intercourse with her and subsequently gave it to her, the hire is
permitted. The two matters are regarded as separate and what she
received is legally a gift." This argument goes on for two pages. (See
Exhibit 190
and
Exhibit 191)
No wonder that
Christ charged that the Pharisees nullified the commandments of God by
their Tradition, which now, in written form, has become the Talmud.
Permissible Adultery and Intercourse with
the Dead....
— THE JEWISH RELIGION:
Its Influence Today by Elizabeth Dilling.
(Also titled
The Plot Against Christianity
in other printings.) Pg. 24 (Pg. 44 in my copy).
Free on-line copy at
Source
By the way, Mrs. Dilling above, the fine
Christian and patriot, is a fine example of a woman making a contribution to the
church of Christ (by exposing the enemies of Christ and God and their "holy"
book, the Babylonian Talmud), but not actually preaching in a church or
leading one. Another fine example is the good Christian gal Gail Riplinger
and her monumental work,
New Age Bible Versions;
she too knows her boundaries as regarding leading in the church, and has
publicaly affirmed them. Yet her research has proven invaluable to the
body of Christ, and any preacher or lay Christian who does not use a King
James Bible version should read her informative book (sadly, Gail is a Rapturist,
or she was the last time I checked). Regarding Bible versions, see also
our full length study,
Adulterations in the Newer
Bible Versions (NIV, NASB...); Proof that the King James Bible (KJV) is the True
Word of God. I guarantee that you will go out tomorrow and buy
a
King James Bible version, or there is something seriously
wrong with you.
And to men and women alike: if you say that you have "a
word from the Lord," you had better be real sure that it was from God and
not from your own heart. The consequences are dangerous, as we saw in the
above Scriptures where God chastised and dealt with the false prophets who spoke
in His name but He had not sent them nor spoken to them. You may feel that
God helped your understanding on a Scripture, but that is a far cry from God
telling you to declare that teaching as being from God. What if you are
wrong?!?
For instance, I often comment upon, teach, and interpret
Scriptures, and I also believe
as the Scripture declares that the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth
(John 16:13); however, you will not and have not ever heard me say that "God
told me to say...", because He hasn't spoken to me directly and told me to say
this or that. And for someone to claim or imply that God has
told them to say this or that, as so many preachers do nowadays,
then it had better be that God truly did speak to, direct, and order them to
speak in His name. Or else!
Now, it is okay to say that after much prayer and study you have come
to the conclusion that.... Or, to say that you feel that the Holy Spirit
has led you to understand the Scripture thusly. But for some of
these preachers to stand up there at the pulpit and actually tell people that
they had a conversation with God (or the Holy Spirit) this morning and this is
what He told me to say to (or teach) you, is just plain wrong.
The Holy Spirit of God does help
Christians in their Bible studies:
John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth [Holy Spirit],
is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of
himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew
you things to come. KJV
But we observe that some do better at this than others.
Therefore, God has ordained the office of preacher. So for some Christians
to say that they do not need preachers and Bible teachers, as some do today, is
wrong as well.
Romans 10:13-17
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how
shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they
hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How
beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring
glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath
believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. KJV
So you continue to give the praises to God and to declare
that the Messiah Jesus Christ has come, witness for Christ Jesus where you can
without being bothersome or pushy; just be respectful of the boundaries that God
has set upon us all. Everybody has rules, both men and women have rules
set forth from God.
See also our,
"Suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp
authority over the man," Also:
Radical Feminist/Militant Lesbian Movement,
and what it is doing to society., and,
A Feminist-minded Christian woman responds to God's gender roles,
and,
A Woman Asks: Is WBSG Misogynist (women hating)?, etc.
Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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God bless the study of His Word; in Jesus Christ's Precious and powerful
name!
Nick Goggin
ANOTHER reader (not the
above original question-asker) writes in with a negative response to the
above Q&A:
[Caution, false teaching in the
below]
Subject: accountability
This is wreckless and
inappropriate! I could really loose my cool with you right now
Nick!
1 Timothy 2:7
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an
apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a
teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8I
will therefore that men pray every where,
lifting up holy hands, without wrath and
doubting.
9In
like manner also, that women adorn
themselves in modest apparel, with
shamefacedness and sobriety; not with
broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or
costly array;
(Dont go
around looking like Jan Crouch &
Tammy Faye Baker......we are the
elect.....we wouldn't want to
anyway!!!!!!!)
10But
(which becometh women
professing godliness)
with good works.
11Let
the woman learn
in silence with
all subjection.
(That is
because......
the men
stood at
the east
gate to
get the
latest
news of
the law
and
current
events.
It was
THERE
responsibilty
to bring
it back
home to
the
wives.....and
they
weren't doing
this......resulting
in cross
talking
in the
church......as
the men
sat on
one side
and the
women on
the
other.......the
women
weren't
being
kept
"informed" by
there
husbands
and so
it was
far from
they're
fault..........not
to
mention.....this
applied
to
the men
as
well.)
12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
(Was this a commandment of God??? NO! Was this Paul's words? YES!
Consider what Paul did for a living before this???
He KNEW how dangerous it was for a women to teach during this time......ripping woman and children from there homes and delivering them up sometimes tearing there very clothing from there bodys forcing them to bear they're shame......some even beaten and put to death......did it stop them from teaching??? NO..... it did not!
Priscilla starting the very first underground Christian church........ until Linus was ordained by Peter.
This was Pauls fear......because of his love for the women.......and NOT a commandment of God!)
13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
(Do you think Satan was all that interested in Adam???
NO he was not.........why?
Because Eve could bear children!!
Do you actually think it was that difficult for satan to "beguile" either one of them???
Of Course not.........they didn't have full knowledge either. It was Eve's womb satan was interested in......cause she could bear children.........thats why the transgression was found in her..........in the form of Cain!!!)
15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
(Gee, strange how the word "childbearing" comes up in the very next verse. IF they.........or anyone else for that matter.........continues in the FAITH!!
Queen Elizabeth I & II's first order of duty "The keeper's/defender's of the faith!
BOTH having ruled over 50 years.)
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- Exodus 15:20
And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
- Judges 4:4
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
- 2 Kings 22:14
So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college;) and they communed with her.
Luke 2:36
And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
- Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
- Acts 21:9
And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
I suppose this explains why you dont even give me the currtacy of an answer half the time I ask a question.
I'am surpised by this actually.
I know some spirit filled women that teach on a regular basis........words of truth.
Those Levite priests were doing really well weren't they when they couldn't even read the MSS and had to go to Huldah to interpret for them.......because she stayed in the word.
Ezekiel 44:
22Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.
(No gender here.......because we are ALREADY married to Christ.....to go to the outter court to teach those that "didn't make it". Those unmarried ones.....widows)
23And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
24And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.
Guess you'll be in my class in the millinium.........NICK!!
I think you owe alot of women an apology............but........since you seem to have convinced yourself you are "above reproach" I think this whole deal is hopeless for now.
YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT YOU TEACH EVERY......SINGLE......WORD................SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!
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Answer:
Hello madam. Seems that you are upset. My
study is well documented, and I stand by it.
I know what you are doing, you are taking
Pastor Murray's teaching on this and basically quoting it line for line.
The problem is, is that the good pastor is simply wrong on this matter. And
sadly he is inadvertently suborning women to rebellion. You are evidence of
this writ large. I might point out to you that he has never had a
female Bible teacher/preacher at his church, and at his Communion services
the men serve Communion and the women play the piano and sing. Had you gone
to one his Passover and Fall Fellowship gatherings you would have observed
this firsthand. Thirty or so servers, and all are always men. So I don't
think that the good pastor is quite as Feminist as you imagine. I think
that he just wants to make women feel better about themselves, be
kindhearted to them. While this normally would be a Noble intention, I feel
that he has inadvertently created a monster. Enter, you.
And you are adding a whole lot to the
Scriptures in many places, for one instance your below odd comments on 1st
Timothy 2:10-11.
You wrote:
"10But (which
becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11Let the woman
learn in silence with all subjection.
(That is because...... the men
stood at the east gate to get the latest news of the law
and current events. It was THERE responsibilty to bring
it back home to the wives.....and they weren't doing
this......resulting in cross talking in the
church......as the men sat on one side and the women on
the other.......the women weren't being kept
"informed" by there husbands and so it was far from
they're fault..........not to mention.....this
applied to the men as well.) "
What you have just said to support your
presupposition is not verified in the Bible—you just pulled it out of thin
air. Men and women on opposite sides of the church??? Men standing at the
East Gate receiving instruction??? (The Temple had an East Gate, not
the church, by the way.) Men not instructing their wives, withholding
information from them??? Cross-talking in the church??? Justifying the
women's disobedience??? That which was specially written of women also now
includes men??? Where do you get these things from, by what authority do
you state them as Scripture-overriding fact?
And you say that I have to
worry?!?
By the way, how can you actually state
with a strait face that the above Scripture is referring to men as well?
Come on now, re-read the Scripture.
Let's look at it:
1 Timothy 2:7-15
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak
the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the
Gentiles in faith and verity.
Here Paul is declaring that he is
speaking the truth, and he is attesting ("swearing," oathing) it by Jesus
Christ. Are you calling Paul a liar here? Are you calling the Holy
Spirit-inspired Scripture into question? Continuing the Scripture:
8 I will therefore
that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and
doubting.
9 In like manner also, that
women
adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and
sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
Do we actually need to supply for you the
definition of the word "women" as it is used here? Context alone should set
the definition for you; but here is the Strong's definition:
women: Greek word #1135
gune (goo-nay'); probably from the base of NT:1096; a woman;
specially, a wife: KJV - wife, woman.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with
Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft,
Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
And you cannot "spiritualize-away" the
word women here for the simple fact that Paul continues on to
define the dress of a female and what is unacceptable for the faithful of
the female gender to apparel herself in at that time. This is "the context"
that I was speaking of above. And you simply cannot interject that this
refers to men as well. You are grossly adding to the Scripture.
Continuing:
10 But (which
becometh women
professing godliness) with good works.
women: Greek word #1135
gune (goo-nay'); probably from the base of NT:1096; a
woman; specially, a wife: KJV - wife, woman.
11 Let the
woman
learn in silence with all subjection.
woman: Greek word #1135
gune (goo-nay'); probably from the base of NT:1096; a
woman; specially, a wife: KJV - wife, woman.
12 But I suffer not
a woman
to teach, nor to usurp authority over the
man,
but to be in silence.
Here the contrast between "women" and "men" is added, this should remove all
difficulty as to the context of this passage, and confirm that women (females as
opposed to males) were being spoken of.
woman: Greek word #1135
gune (goo-nay'); probably from the base of NT:1096; a
woman; specially, a wife: KJV - wife, woman.
Man: Greek word #435
aner (an-ayr'); a primary word [compare NT:444]; a man
(properly as an individual male): KJV - fellow, husband, man, sir.
13 For Adam was
first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the
transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue
in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. KJV
And your other comments saying things
to the effect that Paul was speaking untruthfully (or fudging the
facts) in the Holy Spirit-inspired Bible are alarming, to say the least.
What has brought you into this condition is that you are an unnatural,
disobedient, defiant, Feminist in Christian's clothing. And to defend your
position and to justify yourself you are more than willing to call into
question the trustworthiness of the Holy Bible.
And regarding apostle Paul, whom you
falsely accuse; he was chosen by Jesus Christ himself:
Acts 9:13-15
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man
[Saul/Paul], how much evil he hath
done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that
call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said
unto him, Go thy way: for he is a
chosen vessel unto me,
to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of
Israel: KJV
You, madam, are
exactly what the Scriptures are telling women not to
be. But we see that in these troublous endtimes you are not alone. sadly, not
by far. In fact, you are in the majority. When our Lord Jesus Christ returns
He shall set this corrupt world strait.
Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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How Jesus Christ can at once be God in the flesh—and then
yet pray to God in Heaven?
A (new) reader writes:
Greetings just started studying with Pastor Murray
and while searching the net came across your website. Appreciate
the articles thus far. My questions is in regards to the trinity.
How do you explain Jesus on the cross saying
Eloi Eloi lama sabachthanai
Was He speaking to himself?
A little confused.
Thanks
[Xxxxx]
Answer:
Hello [Xxxxxx]. Pastor
Arnold Murray is a
great Bible teacher, you picked a great place to start. Though you will
find on the Internet that he has enemies, and they lie about and slander him
something awful. Anybody who teaches the truth of God's written Word is
likewise slandered. I suppose that someday they will catch up to little
'ole me and start slandering and lying about me. Comes with the territory,
I suppose. I guess that I just am not widely read enough for them to
bother. Pastor Murray has published a response to those enemies of
Christianity, it is at:
Answer to Critics.
"My questions is
in regards to the trinity.
How do you explain Jesus on the cross saying
Eloi Eloi lama sabachthanai
Was He speaking to himself?"
No, He was not speaking to God here.
He was reciting from Psalm 22, a Psalm which prophesied Christ's crucifixion
some one thousand years before Jesus fulfilled it. Jesus' purpose in
reciting that phrase in the Hebrew tongue was to direct attention to that
Scripture to document the fact the He indeed was the fulfillment of that
prophecy of God.
Mark 15:34
[uttered in circa A.D. 29, written here
in circa the 60's-70's A.D.]
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying,
Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted,
My God, my God, why hast thou
forsaken me? KJV
Psalms 22
[written here in circa 1000 B.C.]
22 My God, my God,
why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from
helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night
season, and am not silent.
3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver
them.
5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and
were not confounded.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the
people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they
shake the head saying,
8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him,
seeing he delighted in him.
9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope
when I was upon my mother's breasts.
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's
belly.
11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me
round.
13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring
lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my
heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my
jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed
me: they pierced my
hands and my feet.
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my
vesture.
19 But be not thou far from me, O Lord: O my strength, haste thee to
help me.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns
of the unicorns.
22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the
congregation will I praise thee.
23 Ye that fear the Lord, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify
him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the
afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto
him, he heard.
25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my
vows before them that fear him.
26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that
seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
27 All the ends of
the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and
all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
28 For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the
nations.
29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that
go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his
own soul.
30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a
generation.
31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a
people that shall be born,
that he hath done this. KJV
The Hebrew phrase (word) "he
hath done" is equivalent to the Greek "it is
finished." Observe:
John 19:30
[uttered in circa A.D. 29, written here
in circa 70 A.D.]
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said,
It is finished:
and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. KJV
he hath done: Hebrew
word #6213 `asah (aw-saw'); a primitive root; to do or
make, in the broadest sense and widest application (as follows):
KJV - accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear,
bestow, bring forth, bruise, be busy, certainly, have the charge
of, commit, deal (with), deck, displease, do, (ready) dress (-ed),
(put in) execute (-ion), exercise, fashion, feast, [fighting-]
man, finish, fit, fly, follow, fulfill, furnish, gather, get, go
about, govern, grant, great, hinder, hold ([a feast]), indeed, be
industrious, journey, keep, labour, maintain, make, be meet,
observe, be occupied, offer, officer, pare, bring (come) to pass,
perform, pracise, prepare, procure, provide, put, requite,
sacrifice, serve, set, shew, sin, spend, surely, take,
thoroughly, trim, very, vex, be [warr-] ior, work (-man), yield,
use.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and
Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994,
2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators,
Inc.)
it is finished: Greek
word #5055 teleo (tel-eh'-o); from NT:5056; to end, ie.
complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt): KJV - accomplish,
make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and
Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994,
2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators,
Inc.)
I might point out that never when Jesus
spoke (prayed) to God did He address Him as God; He always called
Him Father.
Now, there were other times where Jesus
did pray to God in Heaven; one example would be the prayer that
Jesus prayed for us:
John 17
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to
heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy
Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give
eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,
and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which
thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory
which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of
the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept
thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are
of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they
have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and
they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou
hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in
them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I
come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou
hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those
that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son
of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that
they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because
they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that
thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them
into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be
sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone,
but for them also which shall
believe on me through their word
[that's you and I and all Christians];
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee,
that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou
hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may
be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and
that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as
thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me
where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for
thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known
thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the
love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. KJV
To understand how that Jesus Christ can at once be God in the flesh—and
then yet pray to God in Heaven—one must understand the Holy Trinity (or the
Godhead otherwise called). We have a full length Bible study that may help
you in this regard. That study may accessed at:
The Holy Spirit & The
Holy Trinity. May I also state that most Christians actually do not
fully comprehend the full "nature" of God, and that a full understanding of
this matter is not required for salvation.
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An inconsistency in an old study found and
corrected - Ezekiel
A reader writes:
Nick...........I LOVE The verse
by verse studies. I hope you will continue with them.
I'm confused. In the verse by
verse study of Rev 20, you said the last Ezekiel chapters were
set in the Mill [Millennium]
................I thought you did not believe that!!!???? Is
this an old study, or am I just completely confused. I don't
believe those last chapters are set in the Mill at all........or
maybe they were but are now superseded because of the cross.
Answer:
Hello [Xxxxxxx]. Thank you so much for bringing this
to my attention. As you guessed, this was an old study, a very old
study [some of these studies are ten years old, you can tell the old
ones by the primitive masthead]. I wrote it when I was still under complete agreement with pastor
Murray's teachings [and without a staff it is impossible for me to
re-proof the some four-hundred pages on this website, most pages having
nine individual studies on it]. Now I am partly in agreement with
Pastor Murray, differing
somewhat in prophecy studies. But I hasten to add, he is the only
preacher which I recommend to newer Bible students. I have since come
to find through my own Bible study that Ezekiel 40-48 cannot be in the
Millennium. [The millennium is the 1000 years
spoken of in Revelation chapter 20.] The greatest evidence
that it can't be the Millennium is the existence of animal sacrifices
for offerings. This cannot be, since after Christ was once offered
there are no more offerings for sin.
Hebrews 10:1-20
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come,
and not the very image of the things, can never with those
sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the
comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that
the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of
sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of
sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats
should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and
offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no
pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written
of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and
offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein;
which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the
first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the
body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering
oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered
one sacrifice for
sins for ever,
sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them
that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he
had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days,
saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their
minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is,
there is no more offering
for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest
by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us,
through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; KJV
Ezekiel 45:15
15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred,
out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a
burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make
reconciliation for them, saith the Lord God. KJV
Ezekiel 45:17
17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and
meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new
moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of
Israel: he shall prepare the
sin offering,
and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the
peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house
of Israel. KJV
Ezekiel
45:18-20
18 Thus saith the Lord God; In the first month, in the first day of
the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and
cleanse the sanctuary:
19 And the priest shall take of the blood of the
sin offering,
and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of
the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner
court.
20 And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every
one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye
reconcile the house. KJV
Ezekiel 45:22
22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for
all the people of the land a bullock for a
sin offering.
KJV
Ezekiel 45:23
23 And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to
the Lord, seven bullocks and seven rams
without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid
of the goats daily for a
sin offering.
KJV
Ezekiel 46:20
20 Then said he unto me, This is the place where the priests shall
boil the trespass offering and the
sin offering, where they shall bake the meat offering; that
they bear them not out into the utter court, to sanctify the people.
KJV
Also, the mention of marriages in
Ezekiel would exclude it from being set during the Millennium, for we
are not in flesh bodies at that time but rather are resurrected in
spiritual bodies:
Ezekiel 44:22
Neither shall they [the priests]
take for their
wives a widow, nor her that is
put away [divorced]:
but they shall take maidens [virgins]
of the seed
[children/offspring] of the house of
Israel, or a
widow that had [married]
a priest before. KJV
Matthew 22:28-30
28 Therefore in the
resurrection whose
wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the
scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the
resurrection
they neither marry,
nor are given in marriage,
but are as the angels of God in heaven. KJV
Revelation
20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given
unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the
witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his
mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and
reigned with Christ a thousand years [the
Millennium].
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years
were finished. This is the first
resurrection.
KJV
The above Scriptures simply cannot be
"spiritualized away" (i.e., “this really means that on a
"spiritual level'”) as some try to do. It is too specific, too
detailed to be a parable, metaphor, or analogy. So in the Ezekiel
kingdom we have marriages, but we know that there are no marriages in a
spiritual body, as Christ Himself said:
Matthew 22:28-30
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife
shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the
scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they
neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of
God in heaven. KJV
And the Millennium is a time of resurrections (i.e.,
"people" [souls] are in spiritual bodies), as we see below:
Revelation 20:1-7
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the
bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the
Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years
[Millennium],
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a
seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the
thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed
a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given
unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the
witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not
worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his
mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and
reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years
were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first
resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with
him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out
of his prison, KJV
Thus, these marriages indicate that Ezekiel was
to be the first Kingdom offered, but which was rejected and the King
murdered on a cross. However, had they accepted Christ, then Ezekiel
40-48 would have been "the end," an eternal Earthly kingdom with Christ
as King and His priests administering as such: "And
they shall teach my people the difference between
the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and
the clean." (Ezek 44:23). We see no such teaching in the
Millennium chapter (Rev 20), only judgment and the wrapping-up of this
current second Earth age. The next chapter (Rev 21) begins the third
"Earth age." (See 2nd Peter for all three of the Earth ages: 2nd Peter
3:4-5 for the first Earth age, 3:7 for our present second Earth age, and
3:13 for the third Earth age; i.e., Heaven).
But they did not accept the Ezekiel Kingdom, and
they rather murdered the King and rejected the Kingdom; therefore, God
made another way. That other way is detailed in the New Testament; and
the book of Revelation now and forever supersedes the final eight
chapters of Ezekiel. But the Judaics seek to establish a perversion of
that Ezekiel Kingdom, with themselves as both saviors and rulers of a
(population reduced) world full of goyim slaves (goyim
is a derogatory term used by Jews for all non-Jews, meaning sub-human
cattle). But God shall make a short work of them. They shall rule and
succeed for circa 42 months of the Tribulation, but then they shall be
destroyed, first by antichrist (Rev 17:16-17) then by God and Christ
(Rev 19: 11-21).
And certainly there shall be no
"blinded" Jews when they see themselves enforcing the mark of the beast
on Christians and the world. They shall convict themselves by their
actions. I say that for those who seek to exonerate the Jews by
claiming that God has blinded them—thus blaming God for their sinful
rejection of Messiah and their gloating of His murder! But
that blindness was "in part," and it was limited to a
certain time. And it is now long since removed. It was removed with
the entering in of the Gentiles accomplished after the Resurrection during
apostle Paul's ministry. Observe:
Romans 11:25-36
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this
mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that
blindness in part
is happened to Israel,
until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall
come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from
Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their
sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as
touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye
[Gentiles] in times past have not believed God, yet
have now
obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy
they also may obtain mercy [if they
by-and-by accept Christ].
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have
mercy upon all [the "Jews" killed
Christ, and therefore afterwards by belief in the Risen Jesus Christ
Gentiles were afforded the salvation of the second
Covenant. Had the Ezekiel Kingdom have been fulfilled most Gentiles
would have been excluded; for, the first Covenant was with
Israel (not today's "Jews") alone (but also included the few
believing Gentiles who keep the Old Testament Law of Moses as well)].
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of
God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding
out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his
counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto
him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom
be glory for ever. Amen. KJV
With this new covenant (New Testament) we are not
to be in flesh bodies for the eternity. At Christ's Second Advent all
flesh now passes away. Christ and His heavenly host kill and destroy
the wicked (Rev 19: 11-21), but the righteous (read: faithful
Christians ONLY) shall be changed (transformed), and shall not taste of
death. Their flesh bodies simply falling off of their spiritual body
like a dropping robe. Paul spoke of this later point, but the false
Rapture doctrine has now obscured the true meaning of what Paul was
saying:
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning
them which are asleep [dead],
that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them
also which sleep [die] in
Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that
we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord
[2nd Advent] shall not prevent
[precede] them which are
asleep [dead in Christ; i.e.,
believers who passed away in times past].
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven
[2nd Advent] with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the
dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them [the
dead in Christ] in the clouds, to meet the Lord in
the air: and so shall we ever [eternal]
be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. KJV
Moving on... Of course God knew that this
would all happen, and that Messiah would be rejected. Which is why He
had His prophets speak of it in several places in the Old Testament.
But men's minds were blinded to those prophesies until after
they became fulfilled. Then, the Old Testament became a witness to the
validity and truth of the New Testament and to Christ Jesus. There are
likewise many prophesies left to be fulfilled in the Bible that we
cannot now apprehend, though they be plainly written on the pages of our
Bibles. But they will be made manifest to the faithful as they
become fulfilled—thus proving what God wants proved. That is the
spirit of prophecy. Prophecy is not always to predict the future—in
fact it hardly ever is, though it does—but rather, prophecy is
to prove that what happened was from God, known beforehand by God,
promised/spoken of by God, and thus can be trusted and believed
upon. Jesus literally fulfilled hundreds of prophecies, many of which
were obscure until after Jesus did this or did that.
But not all prophecies are obscure, as we see
because we study them. And In this manner we the faithful shall know
the Two Witnesses (Rev 11) when they come, the Seven Thunders prophesies
(Rev 10:3-4) when they are delivered—and by whom they are
delivered, and the antichrist shall be known to us as well. Sadly and
to their hurt, modern day Christians—most of them anyway—who do
not study their Bible will have a great deal of difficulty determining a
false prophet from a true prophet in the Tribulation and immediately
preceding it. Had the people known their Bibles (Old Testament books
which they did have) in the time of Christ they should not have
rejected Him in favor of the evil Pharisees, Sadducees, and the
you-know-who scribes. Likewise today, the Judaics have led every effort
to suppress the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments, but primarily
the New Testament. This is an easily proven albeit controversial
statement. So that Christians today are blind sheep following
equally blind preachers, just as in the time of Christ's First Advent
were the Israelites were blind sheep following equally blind rabbis.
Seeing a pattern here? You should; for, the First Advent ended the
Mosaic religion and the Second Advent shall end the corrupted form of
endtime Christianity and the world itself—and they were both immediately
proceeded by the failure of the religion itself. Then we are all in
spiritual bodies through the eternity (except, of course, those who God
casts into the Lake of Fire after Judgment Day [Rev 20: 11-15]).
Why did God do it this way? Why must Christ have
been offered? Why must Israel of old (collectively) have been allowed
to utterly fail? Why must we (collectively) have been allowed to
utterly fail shortly (Rev 13: 3-4, 8)? I would be lying if I said that
I knew, but perhaps we had to live through it to convict ourselves of
something that we cannot now know or understand. Remember, there was
the great rebellion in the first earth age (Rev 12:3-4), where one-third
of "us" (humans) betrayed God and worshipped satan, of which we possess
no memory of whilst we are incased in these flesh bodies . And as
apostle Paul stated when he was taken to Heaven for a moment and shown
the secrets of God, shown things that spiritual entities know but that
which are forbidden for flesh man to know:
Paul, for humilities' sake, speaks of himself
in the third party:
2 Corinthians 12:1-4
12 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to
visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the
body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God
knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I
cannot tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard
unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
KJV
Again Paul speaks of our limited knowledge whilst
in these flesh bodies:
1 Corinthians 13:9-12
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in
part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child,
I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish
things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly
[not clearly];
but then
[in the resurrection]
face to face: now I know in part;
but then shall I know
even as also I am known. KJV
I believe, but cannot now prove, that the fallen
angels of Genesis chapter six shared some of those forbidden secrets
with the people then. I also believe that Cain was given some of this
forbidden "wisdom" by
his father satan
(the serpent) and handed it down to his sons, as we see Cain's sons
become inventors in Genesis chapter four. I also believe that the upper
echelon of the secret societies (read the International Judaics) have
been given some of those secrets, albeit in a corrupted form, by the
evil spirits that they communicate with in their Cabalistic (pure
satanic Kabbalah) rites.
Thank you for pointing this discrepancy out to
me, I have pulled down that page pending revision.
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The reader replies:
Thank you ...The last thoughts about Cain and
his offspring perhaps having some of the secrets coming from
their father satan.............I have often wondered about that
myself. These upper echelon people are very 'smart cookies' even
though their 'smarts' are evil. But..........they have to have
knowledge about the evil that they are bringing
about..........an organized, intellectual plan...........they
have to be getting some knowledge from their father.......Satan.
How could they not be?? We are getting knowledge from our
Father.
As long as you draw breath, Nick, don't give up
putting your studies, thoughts, articles etc on your site.
I will pray that God continues to bless you with
strength........ I know you must get weary.
I love God and His precious Son and the Spirit
(all one) with all of my heart.
Answer:
Thank you for the kind words, [Xxxxx]. And you
mentioned:
"they have to have knowledge about the evil
that they are bringing about..........an
organized, intellectual plan...........they
have to be getting some knowledge from their
father.......Satan."
You are correct. And they wrote that plan down
and then it got compromised and fell into non-Jewish hands. You can
read that plan, as it had advance up to circa 1894, in the
following document: Protocols
of The Learned Elders of Zion.
As you read the Protocols you can't
help to feel that these were not authored by a mere human mind. The
ultimate author of the Protocols had a super human grasp of
human nature, emotion, and also of systems of governance, finance, media
power, etc. I believe that these 24 protocols were given to the
International Judaics from satan through evil spirits (the "familiar
spirits" warned of in Lev 19:31, etc.). And most all of the
protocols have since come to pass, even though the Judaics move Heaven
and earth to try to discredit and suppress them. Which does
nothing more than make them look even more suspicious.
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misconstrued as "prophecy?"
A reader writes:
Subject: Your prophecy
I have been waiting for Nov. 4th for a few specific reasons. I am
waiting to see if your prediction that "this election would never
occur". You said that on your web-site a few months ago. Also, you are
now predicting full fledge race war and riots if Obama wins or loses. I
know that if these events do not happen then you are also being decieved
and have no more standing than any other self-proclaimed teacher of the
TRUTH. You shoulld be concerned. Your credibility is on the line here.
Racial tensions are evident. There will be a few people who react with
violence, but that has always been the case in American history for
various reasons. We shall see very soon how accurate your spiritual
discernment is. May God have mercy on our souls In the name of JESUS
CHRIST,
Answer:
Hello. "Prophecy" is not the proper word to
use here. A "prophecy" is a word from the Lord on a matter; I have never
claimed to be funneling God's predictions in this election. The speech of a
prophet is: "Thus sayeth the Lord." You have never heard that
manner of speech from me. So let's be fair here.
Also, I do not recall ever stating that
the 2008 election would not happen. How could I have been
sure? Please supply the link to that supposed "prophecy," read it in
context, and then if you still feel that I have indeed said that, then send
me the link to the page with the quote. Thank you.
Also, you incorrectly quoted me as
saying, as you stated: "Also, you are now predicting full fledge race
war and riots if Obama wins or loses." Of course you have not quoted
me correctly (which may be your problem all across the board). What I did
say, and which can be read on our
homepage, (in the article titled "'Ducking' to survive the aftermath of
November 4th"), is:
"On Tuesday, November 4th, America goes
to the polls to select their choice of the two choices presented to them
for President. What
happens after that is uncertain..."
"...I cannot state this emphatically
enough: it is quite
possible that WHERE you are on the evening of
November 4th and in the days and possibly weeks afterwards will dictate
whether you live or die or are otherwise molested. I am speaking of the
greatly heightened
possibility of massive nationwide
race-based riot and anarchy."
The use of the terms "uncertain,"
"possible," and "possibility," are hardy what could be called written in
stone "prophecies." You're just not being fair here with the facts.
So, could it be that you are attempting
to defame me by painting me into a corner I never entered? God knows. I
won't accuse you.
Now, I have long known and stated at
least a year ago that if certain conditions arose it was possible that the
elections could be called off/postponed. I was not alone in that opinion,
and President Bush does have the Presidential Orders and Security dictates
in hand to do such a thing under several different scenarios. Obviously
those conditions have not arisen and it appears at this moment that the
election shall go forward on November 4th.
Listen, possibilities change as new
information develops; certainly you must know that? What I do is compare
current events and match them up with Biblical prophecy and draw scenarios
out from there. God tells us what shall happen, but He doesn't
tell us when it shall happen. This is the dilemma with prophecy
interpretation relating to current events in the world.
And is this "exact science?" No, that is
why you have never heard me say that these outcomes are 100% sure to come
about—I do not control the myriad of factors involved in these situations,
and I do not have access to all the intelligence that pertains to these
matters. So, I am not predicting futures here, I am warning the
faithful to possible troubles, heightened windows of opportunity,
whereby they may prepare and provide for themselves and their loved ones.
If you do not appreciate this service—and I spend 4-5 hours each day
researching such matters—that's fine by me, we can still be friendly. But
please don't try to subtly make me into something that I never claimed to
be. Haven't we seen enough of that type tactic in this election?
Nevertheless, the
potential for racial violence is indeed very high for now
through a week out after the election. Higher than at any time since the
1960's. Then many things may happen to
interfere with the transition of the office of President on Inauguration
Day, January 20, 2009. And God forbid someone harms Mr. Obama before or
after that Presidential transfer—then we are all in deep doo-doo, White,
Black, and Brown. So don't go to sleep if Obama wins on November 4th and
nothing happens then. Barack Obama is, as I had stated earlier this year,
the most dangerous man in this nation—winning or losing the election.
Also, Iran may
be "a go" before the Presidential transition should McCain lose. "We" have
all seemed to forget about the simmering caldron regarding the Iran-Israel
situation. That is because of the economy. But you must not stare at
one tree so hard that you lose focus on the forest around it. And I am
surprised that you haven't taken me to task for sounding the alarm on Iran
since early this year. I do not retract that warning, either.
And make no mistake about it, Iran is
very much in play; Israel must do something about them (or lure us into
doing it for them, as usual). Not that I am an apologist for so-called
"Israel," mind you; I'm just looking at the facts on the ground. If I'm a
nation, and another nation is refining uranium and speaking about destroying
my central governing body, I'm kind of thinking that I must stop that
capability. But then I am a self-preservationist. You may trust in them
changing their mind once they build a deliverable nuclear device. If Canada
was doing the same thing to America I guarantee you that the bombers would
be flying.
Now, are any of the
aforementioned statements, "prophecies?" No, they are simply distinct
possibilities backed up by the current facts on the ground.
If something changes in the formula then the recipe has a different
outcome.
And finally, am I right here? I hope
not, but then we shall see; shall we not? I don't retract my warnings,
because I believe them to be sound possibilities;
and that it would be irresponsible to keep silent for fear of "being wrong"
or to worry more over "saving face" that serving the Christian.
Now, to show my transparency and my
openness, sincerity, and best intentions, I shall post your Q+A right now
(without your name, of course), five days before the election [Oct 30,
2008], even though I am not planning on posting the next batch of Q+A's that
I have prepared for a week or three from now. You may access this Q+A at "https://watchman.news/watchman-bs-site-arcv/answers80.htm#10"
in about an hour.
In closing, you may call me incorrect,
but please don't imply that I am a false prophet—I am not a prophet
at all. Let's keep this fair and honest. You're a Christian, right? Then
I should not expect any less from you.
If I have misunderstood your intentions
here then please forgive me. But since I have not used your name or E-mail
address then I certainly have not injured you if I was wrong about you.
The easiest way to never be wrong is to
keep silent—which most do—but that helps nobody but ones' self.
Peace
to you in Christ Jesus.
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